Anti-White Racism among the Left?

[antiracist]

How widespread is Anti-White Racism among the Left?

I've talked to several workers who "dislike" communists and anarchists because they are sometimes perceived as as "anti-white"? :confused:
I've also seen some YT videos of anti-white racists in Leftist protests, quite a disturbing thing.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Who are these people you are talking about? Conservatives often say things like that because they confuse equality with not being able to spew their racist nonsense.

At any rate, racism of all stripes is not welcomed among the left.Anyone who claim to be leftist while simultaneous promoting "racial superiority" are rats.

[TheMyth]

To me it's because the " left " takes too much time to protect the Minorities instead of seeing that whites are also in danger .
Communism wants the freedom of the Man and that is not going to happen with all those Racism against immigrants or Whites

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

To me it's because the " left " takes too much time to protect the Minorities instead of seeing that whites are also in danger .
Communism wants the freedom of the Man and that is not going to happen with all those Racism against immigrants or Whites

WTF!? How so?:confused:

[bricolage]

racism is a structural thing and individual items of bigotry aren't the same thing as institutional patterns of discrimination.
more to the point i've never heard anyone moan about 'anti-white racism' that wasn't a straight out racist themselves.

[Sasha]

Oh Hey, its this thread again....

[TheGodlessUtopian]

WTF!? How so?:confused:

They aren't in danger, TheMyth is just a troll (or extremely ignorant were one to give him the benefit of the doubt).

[TheMyth]

How so?:confused:
When a African Guy got shot leftist came to say that was a racial motivated and so on .
When a African Guy shot a White Guy i don't see leftist saying that it was a racial crime .

When a Rapper in Portugal Got shot by Police after running from them in a car all " Leftist Partys " said that was a racial crime and when one White got killed by a african where was the " leftist " ?

[hatzel]

>white supremacy is pretty good for (racist) whites.
>leftists rightly think white supremacy is fucking beat.
>leftists are 'anti-white.'

Simple!

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

They aren't in danger,
I know that. I´m just puzzled over why anyone would make such a statement here.


When a African Guy got shot leftist came to say that was a racial motivated and so on .
When a African Guy shot a White Guy i don't see leftist saying that it was a racial crime .
When a Rapper in Portugal Got shot by Police after running from them in a car all " Leftist Partys " said that was a racial crime and when one White got killed by a african where was the " leftist " ?
First, those cases of attacks are not necessarily motivated by racism. I also don´t see how random cases of individual attacks mean that white people are in more danger generally than people of other ethnicity. They certainly aren´t in danger just for being white.

>white supremacy is pretty good for (racist) whites.
>leftists rightly think white supremacy is fucking beat.
>leftists are 'anti-white.'

Simple!
Formal logic is a thing of beauty! It can explain everything.

[TheMyth]

I know that. I´m just puzzled over why anyone would make such a statement here.


First, those cases of attacks are not necessarily motivated by racism. I also don´t see how random cases of individual attacks mean that white people are in more danger generally than people of other ethnicity.
I didn't say that White people are more in danger .
So why when a White attack one Black (Individual or in group ) is racism to most Leftist see Trayvon Martin .
When a White guy Get's beat up and robbed by an immigrants it's no big deal .
I'm not in favor of White Power or White Pride but i see many leftist like and support the Black Panthers that does the same as white supremacist do .

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I didn't say that White people are more in danger .
So why when a White attack one Black (Individual or in group ) is racism to most Leftist see Trayvon Martin .
When a White guy Get's beat up and robbed by an immigrants it's no big deal .
I'm not in favor of White Power or White Pride but i see many leftist like and support the Black Panthers that does the same as white supremacist do .

You're just daft is all. What makes you think the "immigrants beating up and robbing a white guy" is an act of racism? And that aside, since when do leftist think it's jolly good fun that working class people of whatever origin get violently mugged? (actually the idea of some posh rich fuck getting mugged does frankly amuse me a bit) Nor were the original BPP anything like white supremacists... But like the OP you're probably just another troll.

[honest john's firing squad]

you know someone's a complete tosser when they piss and moan about "anti-white racism".

[honest john's firing squad]

When a White guy Get's beat up and robbed by an immigrants it's no big deal
you're right, it's race war. hey everyone run for the hills, the brown people are coming :rolleyes:

[TheMyth]

You're just daft is all. What makes you think the "immigrants beating up and robbing a white guy" is an act of racism? And that aside, since when do leftist think it's jolly good fun that working class people of whatever origin get violently mugged? (actually the idea of some posh rich fuck getting mugged does frankly amuse me a bit) Nor were the original BPP anything like white supremacists... But like the OP you're probably just another troll.
I don't no much about BNP since i reject Zionism and BNP is full of them .
Take a Look at My train experience in England when a Women said that Immigrants should go home many people start acussing her of Racism .
They have all right but why they didn't say the same thing to the African guy in Paris when he started insulting and wish that all whites got dead ?
Even better look at leader of Black Phanters saying that black guys should only date with black womans and the whites must die .
So why leftist doesn't opose and react the same way the both sides ?

[TheMyth]

you're right, it's race war. hey everyone run for the hills, the brown people are coming :rolleyes:
I'm didn't call for a race war .
I don't like that some leftist use different measures to one side and other to another side

[Deicide]

brown people are so scary :crying:

[honest john's firing squad]

bigotry and discrimination have always existed between peoples, but to claim that a brown immigrant beating up a white man is part of a wider phenomenon of systemic racism directed at whites is beyond stupid.

[Offbeat]

You sound like an EDLer. According to them "cultural Marxists" (whatever they are) hate white people and want Europe to be overrun with Sharia law.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I don't no much about BNP since i reject Zionism and BNP is full of them .
Take a Look at My train experience in England when a Women said that Immigrants should go home many people start acussing her of Racism .
They have all right but why they didn't say the same thing to the African guy in Paris when he started insulting and wish that all whites got dead ?
Even better look at leader of Black Phanters saying that black guys should only date with black womans and the whites must die .
So why leftist doesn't opose and react the same way the both sides ?

What are you on about? A person who tells immigrants to "go home" is a racist, yes. And perhaps a black man saying all whites should die is also a racist - but we also cannot divorce them of their context. The black man has no doubt faced racism and discrimination and perhaps this is the cause of his frustration - the white woman just full of xenophobic paranoia about the hhurrrrr foreign hordes destroyin' her beluv'd britesh contreh.

I don't think anyone on here is in favour of racist separatism of any kind, furthermore. Anyway, are you talking about the so called "New Black Panther Party" or what? They aren't even socialists. They're in favour of capitalism. In addition to that they are black nationalists and indeed bigoted, just like the NOI.

Where you got the BNP from anyway?
Are you even a socialist?

[hatzel]

@TheMyth

Stop being such a fucking clown.

Yeah, I know it's not so insightful a post, but: a) I say what everybody else is thinking; and b) I'm pretty sure you know you're being a clown so it's fine if I tell you to stop...

[TheMyth]

bigotry and discrimination have always existed between peoples, but to claim that a brown immigrant beating up a white man is part of a wider phenomenon of systemic racism directed at whites is beyond stupid.
So why when it's Whites doing the same thing is racism ?
I'm sure that Marx wanted the freedom of the Men and that it's only possible when All humans doesn't have afriad of being attacked by one racist .
I didn't advocate any kind of Cultural Marxism because if that happen it will be good since we all live under communism .

[TheMyth]

What are you on about? A person who tells immigrants to "go home" is a racist, yes. And perhaps a black man saying all whites should die is also a racist - but we also cannot divorce them of their context. The black man has no doubt faced racism and discrimination and perhaps this is the cause of his frustration - the white woman just full of xenophobic paranoia about the hhurrrrr foreign hordes destroyin' her beluv'd britesh contreh.

I don't think anyone on here is in favour of racist separatism of any kind, furthermore. Anyway, are you talking about the so called "New Black Panther Party" or what? They aren't even socialists. They're in favour of capitalism. In addition to that they are black nationalists and indeed bigoted, just like the NOI.

Where you got the BNP from anyway?
Are you even a socialist?

Did you enver watched the Video that i'm talking about ?
Because the Black men say that to older people who "probably will kick is ass " .
So when a Black act like that it's because he faced discrimination and when it's whites is just xenophobic paranoia .
I know many african guys who i consider my friends and they have ashame what some black are doing and ruining their reputation .

If i wasn't a socialist why i would join a forum like this one ?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I know many african guys who i consider my friends and they have ashame what some black are doing and ruining their reputation .


White people never have to worry about the reputation of them as a homogeneous group based on the actions of whatever individuals. That is one ramification of institutional racism.

[TheMyth]

White people never have to worry about the reputation of them as a homogeneous group based on the actions of whatever individuals. That is one ramification of institutional racism.
I have since whites exploited Blacks and Indians in America and Africa .
I feel ashame of my past and see my country has been responsible for discovering new lands and exploit the blacks .

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

I have since whites exploited Blacks and Indians in America and Africa .
I feel ashame of my past and see my country has been responsible for discovering new lands and exploit the blacks .
That is your own subjective judgement. Has nothing to do with institutional racism. I doubt you face any discrimination or even prejudices because of this.

[Misanthrope]

1) You are using vague examples and your only evidence is a vague generalization of "leftists".
2) There is usually more out cry when police murder because they are paid by the tax payer to protect and serve while they are bourgeois agents of violence.

[Revolution starts with U]

White people never have to worry about the reputation of them as a homogeneous group based on the actions of whatever individuals. That is one ramification of institutional racism.

This x1000 (maybe even squared or cubed on top of)

[Manic Impressive]

White people never have to worry about the reputation of them as a homogeneous group based on the actions of whatever individuals. That is one ramification of institutional racism.
White people.txt :rolleyes:

[Deicide]

When a African Guy got shot leftist came to say that was a racial motivated and so on .
When a African Guy shot a White Guy i don't see leftist saying that it was a racial crime .

When a Rapper in Portugal Got shot by Police after running from them in a car all " Leftist Partys " said that was a racial crime and when one White got killed by a african where was the " leftist " ?

Here's a black women (psssttt, I have a feeling she has been a target for racism all her life) spewing racist slurs at random white people on a train/tram.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouiMy73Ouvs
IT'S A RACIAL CRIME!!!!!!!!!!! I'm a leftist. Problem solved.

[TheMyth]

Here's a black women (psssttt, I have a feeling she has been a target for racism all her life) spewing racist slurs at random white people on a train/tram.

IT'S A RACIAL CRIME!!!!!!!!!!! I'm a leftist. Problem solved.

That's not the video that i was talking about but that could fit .
As you see both sides pratice racism so why White racism against other races tends to be more evaluated than the opposite ?

[Deicide]

As you see both sides pratice racism so why White racism against other races tends to be more evaluated than the opposite ?


Your question has already been answered several times.

[TheMyth]

Your question has already been answered several times.
You have your point and i have mine since that is one of the characteristics of socialism is that anyone can have their opinion and defended them without had to leave if the majority says so .
I dispise both side that pratice racism .
So i don't get why all that " noise " about my post .

[#FF0000]

because white people aren't the target of institutional 'anti-white' racism

[TheMyth]

because white people aren't the target of institutional 'anti-white' racism
Yes that's true but they are target of Non institutional racism even it's less that Institutional racism .

[Revolution starts with U]

I don't think anybody is arguing that. The question is, how does that make us "anti-white?"

[#FF0000]

Yes that's true but they are target of Non institutional racism even it's less that Institutional racism .

Sometimes, yeah. It's a dumb thing to cry about as if it's some massive problem.

[hatzel]

one of the characteristics of socialism is that anyone can have their opinion and defended them without had to leave if the majority says so .

FYI you're confusing the word 'socialism' with the phrase 'the always unfulfilled promises of liberal pluralism' here...

[Yuppie Grinder]

For the most part people whining about anti-white racism are just mad that someones stepping on their white privilege. Black and Chicano nationalism are fucking stupid though.

[TheMyth]

FYI you're confusing the word 'socialism' with the phrase 'the always unfulfilled promises of liberal pluralism' here...

A socialist party, in a context of political democracy, needs to be a democratic organization of the masses. It has the task of producing a consensus in society about their ideas. For this he needs to reach a consensus internally. Your unit must be designed as unity of thought and action, not just action. For it is the unity of thought which paves the unity of action. And that is not resolved by the subordination of minority to majority. It is far more complicated. Requires the exercise of persuasion.

The unity of thought can only be understood as a unity in diversity, a pact between different that preserves the free expression of thought. Therefore, the construction of a collective thought is a negotiation that does not rule out divergence, but seeks to harmonize it with the weaving of a web inclusive consensus on issues central to the development of political struggle. And do not forget that the collective thinking is always a dialectical synthesis provisional, unfinished, a becoming, a stream that never reaches its end, it is constantly reprocessing.

[hatzel]

Democratic tolerance of a range of contradictory opinions can only go so far before it collapses into nihilistic relativism and wholesale disengagement. If you think socialists are all "well you're a racist sexist homophobic dickbonce but that's a-okay because you're fully entitled to your opinion so whatever" then you're one of those big truck things they use in quarries to dig all the rocks out aka a massive tool.

BTW a lot of what you said appears to have fallen straight out of Rousseau, which doesn't exactly help your cause...

[TheMyth]

Democratic tolerance of a range of contradictory opinions can only go so far before it collapses into nihilistic relativism and wholesale disengagement. If you think socialists are all "well you're a racist sexist homophobic dickbonce but that's a-okay because you're fully entitled to your opinion so whatever" then you're one of those big truck things they use in quarries to dig all the rocks out aka a massive tool.
I said that we should find some positions that both sides agrees and not only one side agrees with that .
I don't think that socialist are that it's you that think i think that way .

[Misanthrope]

A socialist party, in a context of political democracy,

hold on there buddy

[Lolumad273]

We're all in danger, we're all wage slaves. In that sense, whites are certainly in danger too.

[Raúl Duke]

The only thing I can think of that could be construed as anti-white racism is the concept of "white privilege" that certain, rather academic, leftists talk about.

Personally, I find certain versions of this concept to be correct but I prefer to focus more on 'structural oppression' or 'structural racism' that allows this privilege to arise in the first place. I barely used the term "white privilege." However to deny it (or more specifically/especially, to deny its reversed conception: structural racism) would be a bit silly.

Outside of that issue, I seldom see anti-white racism within the left.

[Ocean Seal]

Ok so. Well start with the beginning, obviously structural racism and individual racism are different but that wasn't the point that they were trying to make.

Most people who complain about anti-white racism are complaining that whites have to be "PC".

There is a legitimate case here though, because stupid shit like what the PSL pulls in having a joint event with the NOI because they agree with them on Libya. So fuck that.

But yeah, also fuck this The Myth guy. If you've heard of this African guy then it means that they made a big deal out of it no? Unless you are on a niche racist forum.

[Thirsty Crow]

Formal logic is a thing of beauty! It can explain everything.
Actually, logic doesn't explain anything other than conditions under which certain conclusion follow from the premises. But nevermind that and let's all assume it's worthless since it enables racists to form pretty syllogisms.

Other than that, anti-white racism among the left is a myth.

[TheMyth]

Ok so. Well start with the beginning, obviously structural racism and individual racism are different but that wasn't the point that they were trying to make.

Most people who complain about anti-white racism are complaining that whites have to be "PC".

There is a legitimate case here though, because stupid shit like what the PSL pulls in having a joint event with the NOI because they agree with them on Libya. So fuck that.

But yeah, also fuck this The Myth guy. If you've heard of this African guy then it means that they made a big deal out of it no? Unless you are on a niche racist forum.

No . I see the video after appear on one Youtube related videos .
If i was a racist i can't be a socialist don't you think ?

[hatzel]

If i was a racist i can't be a socialist don't you think ?

You'd be surprised. On second thought maybe you wouldn't be. Beats me.

[TheMyth]

You'd be surprised. On second thought maybe you wouldn't be. Beats me.
Think what you want i know what is my tendencie and what i want for the future.

[homegrown terror]

WTF!? How so?:confused:
http://www.revleft.com/vb/nc-amendment-1-t171106/index.html?t=171106

apparently the white race is in danger because of gay marriage.

[homegrown terror]

a) I say what everybody else is thinking

that logic didn't work for carlos mencia, it's not gonna work for you.

[Tim Finnegan]

I'm racist against The Myth.

[Tukhachevsky]

I wouldn't call "anti-white" racism, but I clearly see in today society a good deal of hypocrite political correctness.
Foreign aid and eternal victimization of Africa, but never the right to the africans walk in an autonomous way.
Revisionist interpretation of american history trying to deny that africans were slaves to others africans too or that some amerindians tribes supported european colonizers.
Paternalism in a way that history have ended, post-cold war pax americana ended any struggle or conflict of interest in the world, and any people trying to pursue their objectives (for example, jews in middle east) should otherwise be quite and pursue an hypothetical world peace.

In brief: a distorted view of things where the strong, the smart, the capable, is considered very very evil; as if good and evil aren't circumstantial categories.

[Rafiq]

There can be no Racism against Whites.

There can be no Sexism against men.

Simple as that. They are the world hegemonial status quo in regards.

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[Raúl Duke]

Revisionist interpretation of american history trying to deny...that some amerindians tribes supported european colonizers.I doubt this is true and prevalent.

How can you handle describing the French and Indian War?

Can't speak much for high school, but in the university level most books describe how the interactions between Native Americans and the European colonizers, in North America, was quite varied and mostly opportunist (i.e. throughout much of history American Indian groups were sometimes quick to include Europeans as part of their alliance networks so they can fight their traditional enemies with European alongside them plus have access to their horses and guns. It was much later when in North America the perspective began to evolve.)

[Comrade1988]

How widespread is Anti-White Racism among the Left?

I've talked to several workers who "dislike" communists and anarchists because they are sometimes perceived as as "anti-white"? :confused:
I've also seen some YT videos of anti-white racists in Leftist protests, quite a disturbing thing.

yah I know what your talking about but there a minority among Communists and Anarchists.. most of us Communists consider any type of racism terrible and is a product of Capitalism and is Counterevolutionary and is forbidden.. us Communists dont see Race and Race dont matter to us for we are all one and we are all equal

[Tukhachevsky]

I doubt this is true and prevalent.

How can you handle describing the French and Indian War?

I was referring more to central and south american colonization, like the case whith Brazil's bandeirantes (slave hunters) being helped by guaranis with great intensity or Cortez being allied with Tlaxcalas in the spanish conquest.
Later the amerindians were culturally redeemed in the figure of "good savages", a strange characterization since most of them were addicted to european alcohol and others commodities, and even practiced rape.

Unfortunately I'm whole ignorant about north american colonization, but we seem to be talking the same thing: this image of amerindians as good savages, africans as poor victims, etc; it's a very caricatural one and only contributes to further inferiorization.

[NewLeft]

For the most part people whining about anti-white racism are just mad that someones stepping on their white privilege. Black and Chicano nationalism are fucking stupid though.
Black/latino nationalism is the stepping stone towards radicalism.

[black magick hustla]

kill a white person with dreads for communism

[Robespierres Neck]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18p23-mE4e0

[MarxSchmarx]

There can indeed be such a thing as anti-white racism, and I unapologetically accuse people who don't recognize it of being provincial insulars caught up in the left's annoying and very real Eurocentrism.

There is unlikely to be any serious anti-white racism in countries where white rule is enshrined like Australia America or France, although bigotry against individual whites probably exist there as well and in a negligibly small fraction of instances there are certain cases where predominantly non-white communities may be hesitant to fully accept a white person as an equal.

But in East Asia, not mere bigotry, but racism, defined as the systematic disempowerment of people on the basis of their supposed racial classification by those in power, and nothing more, against whites is rampant. A case in point is Japan, c.f. this article:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fl20120501ad.html

The author can be a bit annoying but the general point is well taken. An institutionalized power structure systematically excludes white people based on their European heritage. I don't think this is enshrined in the force of law anymore anywhere (even North Korea has white citizens like white American defectors). At least for whites, this is usually not met as open hostility, although in places like Vietnam, children of white soldiers were famously severely discriminated against. There are also white communities in China mainly of Russian or Turkish descent, but their situation appears more akin to most other non-Han groups.

Tellingly, it is several times worse for people of African or Aboriginal descent, and most east Asian countries do not really view people from other east Asian countries as people of the same race the way Americans or Canadians, say, of east Asian descent see other east Asians as of the same race, so the same institutionalized brutality is often carried out against east asians of other countries. Famously, while China has a mixed record at best of its treatment of Japanese orphans in Manchuria that Chinese families adopted after the war, Japanese orphans in Korea were simply sent back to Japan with no desire to adopt children of a foreign power. The difference may be that most Japanese people in South Korea, say, can, if they wanted to, change their name, adopt Korean mannerisms, and become fluent in Korean and most South Koreans would likely be non the wiser. And indeed it is a testament to the strength of solidarity that many Koreans in Japan have resisted enormous pressure to assimilate along these lines. However, no white person, even members of Japan's parliament or delegates to the Chinese people's congress, will ever be able to assimilate, and free themselves of the persistent "temporary" status.

What I find telling, however, is that this situation is almost completely unknown at best and utterly ignored at worst among the vast majority of leftists outside of East Asia of whatever ethnicity. The east asian left I get the feeling isn't comfortable with this, but in general seems to (I think quite rightly) regard discrimination against other minorities as far more problematic and a higher priority. But this never comes up in debates on teh left outside of East Asia about "white racism." Ironic, because I've concluded it's a symptom of the extreme Eurocentrism and utterly patronizing attitude towards non-European cultures by the left in white people countries.

[Yefim Zverev]

Question has logic failure in basis axioms so this thread is meaningless. What is being white ? There begins the mistake. Stop categorizing people that s not something a communist should do. Meaningless thread though it is good to make clear how a communist should not categorize people according to colors etc. Because it is an endless discussion what is white or what and is not etc.

[homegrown terror]

kill a white person with dreads for communism

some white people with dreads (especially within the anarcho community) have them not by choice but by nature of the fact that they don't have reliable access to bathing facilities, and so the only way to NOT have them would be to constantly shave their head.

[bricolage]

some white people with dreads (especially within the anarcho community) have them not by choice but by nature of the fact that they don't have reliable access to bathing facilities, and so the only way to NOT have them would be to constantly shave their head.
they don't have access to a bucket and some water?
come on man, anarcho dreads are a fashion statement, nothing else.

[Deicide]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18p23-mE4e0

That's ridiculous.

[hatzel]

I haven't washed-washed my hair for about 6 months, haven't cut it for about a year, and I am notable for not having dreads. In case anybody's interested.

[homegrown terror]

I haven't washed-washed my hair for about 6 months, haven't cut it for about a year, and I am notable for not having dreads. In case anybody's interested.

i've known a few people who, if they go even a week without shampoo, will start developing dreads. it's all a matter of the nature of an individual's hair. some people can do it, some can't.

[hatzel]

Not to go further off-topic, but: if you bother to comb it then the oils manage to regulate themselves within about two weeks. Shampoo washes the oils out, so the body over-compensates by producing more oil, leading to greasy hair. Therefore people wash it (perpetuating the myth that shampoo is necessary), but if you just leave it, the body produces less oil and a stable equilibrium is found. A quick dunk and a brush every now and then is all it really needs.

[Crux]

TheMyth: I see you constantly making references to the "Black Panthers", back that shit up or shut up. it is of course possible you are talking about the "new black panther party" a bunch of fucking loonies rejected by pretty much everyone including the original BPP.

[Lanky Wanker]

Question has logic failure in basis axioms so this thread is meaningless. What is being white ? There begins the mistake. Stop categorizing people that s not something a communist should do. Meaningless thread though it is good to make clear how a communist should not categorize people according to colors etc. Because it is an endless discussion what is white or what and is not etc.

A native European, or at least someone who appears to be one. I'm half (brown) Cypriot, but people have always called me white so, socially, I would generally be put in the white category. Race will always exist as a social construct, we can't just ignore it and hope all of its related problems will go away. Instead we need to recognise it and do something about it. If we live in a perfect world apparently free from racism, people are still going to pick up on something if, for example, a news report says 20 black people were killed by two white guys in an town where there aren't a lot of blacks. We can't NOT recognise "race" in situations like this. The genetic differences between a French person and a German person and whether or not they're part of the "same race" is a load of bullshit for another discussion.

[Robocommie]

I think Minorities is a pretty cool guy. eh beats up whites and doesnt afraid of anything

[Krano]

Am i the only one who thinks that the thread creator is a closet fascist? username: antiracist user-title: Anti-Bigot and Antifa avatar, then making a thread hinting that the left is Anti-White.

[Crux]

Am i the only one who thinks that the thread creator is a closet fascist? username: antiracist user-title: Anti-Bigot and Antifa avatar, then making a thread hinting that the left is Anti-White :ohmy:
No, you're not.

[Lanky Wanker]

Am i the only one who thinks that the thread creator is a closet fascist? username: antiracist user-title: Anti-Bigot and Antifa avatar, then making a thread hinting that the left is Anti-White :ohmy:

If one is against racism, why would they not point out racism in the left? Are they supposed to ignore it for the sake of being a good little commie? Sure, he/she could be a Nazi or something, but so could anyone else on this site who doesn't agree with every single one of RevLeft's cute little dogmas.

[Crux]

If one is against racism, why would they not point out racism in the left? Are they supposed to ignore it for the sake of being a good little commie? Sure, he/she could be a Nazi or something, but so could anyone else on this site who doesn't agree with every single one of RevLeft's cute little dogmas.
I have only ever seen "anti-white" or "anti-swedish" racism been used by rabid racists IRL. Using such terms means you are either very ignorant or a racist, not that they are mutually exclusive or anything. The OP has pointed out nothing.

[Robocommie]

Also, I guess I could worry about "anti-white racism" in East Asia, but I probably won't until say, the People's Republic invades England and forces them to import heroin. Something like that.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Also, I guess I could worry about "anti-white racism" in East Asia, but I probably won't until say, the People's Republic invades England and forces them to import heroin. Something like that.

And even there the racism against non-white immigrants is far worse. You don't see white immigrants in Japan used as cheap construction labour stacked in temporary construction barracks.

[Leftsolidarity]

To me it's because the " left " takes too much time to protect the Minorities instead of seeing that whites are also in danger .
Communism wants the freedom of the Man and that is not going to happen with all those Racism against immigrants or Whites

Uhhh....... fuck you?

[Drowzy_Shooter]

Not sure if this has been brought up in the topic yet, but I think we have way too much tolerance for black nationalism and pan-africanism here on Revleft and in the revolutionary left in general.

[Leftsolidarity]

Not sure if this has been brought up in the topic yet, but I think we have way too much tolerance for black nationalism and pan-africanism here on Revleft and in the revolutionary left in general.

I'm so sick of these conversations. I completely disagree. Black nationalism is a fight back against oppression and white supremacy.

[Crux]

Not sure if this has been brought up in the topic yet, but I think we have way too much tolerance for black nationalism and pan-africanism here on Revleft and in the revolutionary left in general.
Show me where. Also black nationalism is not fundamentally the same as white nationalism and I don't see what that has to do with a discussion of "anti-white" racism. The BPP for example rejected Black Nationalism.

[Drowzy_Shooter]

Show me where. Also black nationalism is not fundamentally the same as white nationalism and I don't see what that has to do with a discussion of "anti-white" racism. The BPP for example rejected Black Nationalism.

It's not really relevant to anti white racism, except that the actual idea of establishing a nation of only blacks could be construde as racism.

And to show you where I point to a post above your's and your post itself. "Black nationalism is not fundamentally the same as white nationalism", if this isn't the biggest lie I've ever heard. Both white, and black nationalism seek to create a separate society with only people of their types. Anything beyond that doesn't matter, they're both racist ideologies that promote separatism and are devoid of any multi-culturalism. IMHO, you cannot support black nationalism and be a political leftist.

[Crux]

It's not really relevant to anti white racism, except that the actual idea of establishing a nation of only blacks could be construde as racism.

And to show you where I point to a post above your's and your post itself. "Black nationalism is not fundamentally the same as white nationalism", if this isn't the biggest lie I've ever heard. Both white, and black nationalism seek to create a separate society with only people of their types. Anything beyond that doesn't matter, they're both racist ideologies that promote separatism and are devoid of any multi-culturalism. IMHO, you cannot support black nationalism and be a political leftist.
I think black nationalism is a petit-borgueosie ideology borne out of white racism and colonialism as such it is fundamentally different from white nationalism. Then of course there's the question what do we mean when we say "black nationalism" if it's a reference to groups like NOI and the "new black panther party", fuck 'em. But I think it's a bit more complex than that. But that discussion deserves it's own thread instead of this disgraceful excuse for a thread.

[Sean]

This is a silly statement wrapped up in question form.

"How widespread is Anti-White Racism among the Left?" declares that anti-white racism is a real problem, this real problem is running rampant and the only questionable part is whether or not this made up issue is huge, gigantic or ginormous.

But hey, we're just asking questions here. Similar questions include "how hard do you beat your wife and kids?" and "just how much do you hate freedom?":)

[Robocommie]

Not sure if this has been brought up in the topic yet, but I think we have way too much tolerance for black nationalism and pan-africanism here on Revleft and in the revolutionary left in general.

That's weird, I have hardly ever heard about black nationalism on Revleft except to hear a bunch of butt-hurt "leftists" whining about it.

[antiracist]

A member of the Leftist New Black Panther Party shouting "You want freedom? You gonna have to kill some Crackers!"

(Can't post links yet but you can easily find the video on YT)...

[Crux]

A member of the Leftist New Black Panther Party shouting "You want freedom? You gonna have to kill some Crackers!"

(Can't post links yet but you can easily find the video on YT)...




The "leftist" "New Black Panther Party"...? :laugh:

[Robocommie]

A member of the Leftist New Black Panther Party shouting "You want freedom? You gonna have to kill some Crackers!"

(Can't post links yet but you can easily find the video on YT)...

Gtfo, Nazi troll.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

A member of the Leftist New Black Panther Party shouting "You want freedom? You gonna have to kill some Crackers!"

(Can't post links yet but you can easily find the video on YT)...





*nods sagely*

Uh huh..yep..therefore, the Left as a whole has a lot of anti-white racists, good job.

This whole thing, for me, seems to stem from Leftists that are warey of the whole 'anti-white racism' arguement because it used to exhaustion by far right groups as justfication for their pitiful existence.
No doubt that people of all creeds and shades are capable of bigotry and racism irrespective of their politics...but in my general experience , inthe West at least, the Right leads the pack for racially motivated prejudice (white majority against minorities).
A very general view, no hard facts to quote, but it's the view I have at the mo, sorry.

[Krano]

Am i the only one who thinks that the thread creator is a closet fascist? username: antiracist user-title: Anti-Bigot and Antifa avatar, then making a thread hinting that the left is Anti-White.

No, you're not.

Suck my dick you dirty NIGGER.
WHITE POWER!

Down with fucking commie scum, their multiculturalism and their anti-White bigotry!
Fuck off to Africa!

So long, faggots.

We were right.

[Crux]

So I took the liberty of banning that racist scum. Someone should bring down the hammer on themyth ASAP. This should give some in this thread pause for thought as it demonstrates perfectly well where the "anti-white racism" trolls are coming from.

[Robocommie]

Idiot.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

We were right.

I'll miss his eloquance (sp?) and sound reasoning

[Robocommie]

I love how fucking subtle these morons always are. Dude starts a thread asking about the "race war" and then about racism against whites among the "left" and then defines himself as anti-racist and anti-fascist as if to throw us off the trail. :rolleyes:

[JAM]

Someone should bring down the hammer on themyth ASAP.

I'm in position to guarantee that themyth doesn't have nothing to do with the other racist troll. He is just a confused young man who is still forming his social-political consciousness. Perhaps if we show to him in a constructive manner (without insults like some users did) why racism against the blacks and Muslims is much more dangerous and harmful than the other way around he will end up understanding it and change his view about it.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I'm in position to guarantee that themyth doesn't have nothing to do with the other racist troll. He is just a confused young man who is still forming his social-political consciousness. Perhaps if we show to him in a constructive manner (without insults like some users did) why racism against the blacks and Muslims is much more dangerous and harmful than the other way around he will end up understanding it and change his view about it.

Doubtful.If he is a troll he isn't interested in doing that. It is far easier, and more constructive, to ban him (which is what I did) and let him "develop" elsewhere.

[Crux]

I'm in position to guarantee that themyth doesn't have nothing to do with the other racist troll. He is just a confused young man who is still forming his social-political consciousness. Perhaps if we show to him in a constructive manner (without insults like some users did) why racism against the blacks and Muslims is much more dangerous and harmful than the other way around he will end up understanding it and change his view about it.
yeah you do that. No matter how young and confused they are we give no quarter to racists.

[JAM]

Doubtful.If he is a troll he isn't interested in doing that. It is far easier, and more constructive, to ban him (which is what I did) and let him "develop" elsewhere.

That was my point. He is not a troll. I agree that trolls like that racist scum Anti-racist should be ban immediately but it wasn't the case of themyth and that was what I was trying to point out.

[JAM]

yeah you do that. No matter how young and confused they are we give no quarter to racists.

I am totally for 100% intolerance to racism. That was not my point. I was just stating that unlike the other racist garbage, themyth was not here in RevLeft to provoking or trolling.

[Crux]

Well that is what he ended up doing anyway. So, you know...

[homegrown terror]

I'm in position to guarantee that themyth doesn't have nothing to do with the other racist troll. He is just a confused young man who is still forming his social-political consciousness. Perhaps if we show to him in a constructive manner (without insults like some users did) why racism against the blacks and Muslims is much more dangerous and harmful than the other way around he will end up understanding it and change his view about it.

exactly my view on religion: all religious extremists are for shit, but christian extremists are much worse because they wield much more power and capacity to ruin the world.

[Lanky Wanker]

I have only ever seen "anti-white" or "anti-swedish" racism been used by rabid racists IRL. Using such terms means you are either very ignorant or a racist, not that they are mutually exclusive or anything. The OP has pointed out nothing.

I don't understand your point. You acknowledge that racism against whites exists to some degree or another, but anyone who recognises it with the term "anti-white" is ignorant and/or racist? Please try and help me understand what it is I'm missing here...

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I don't understand your point. You acknowledge that racism against whites exists to some degree or another, but anyone who recognises it with the term "anti-white" is ignorant and/or racist? Please try and help me understand what it is I'm missing here...

A bigoted/racist statement/opinion =/= "anti-white"

So fancy then someone says something disparaging against whites or whatever, is this statement then probably racist/bigoted? Quite likely. But the concept of "anti-white racism" as a separate concept and it's oh-so-enormous prevalence at the hands of the "cultural Marxists" in the West and whatever they go on about is frankly only expounded by racist groupings. Usually it is built on paranoid delusions of western "white" bourgeois governments policies favouring multiculturalism or even just a reluctant tolerance and strange absurd fear about demographic changes forty years ahead. Ergo a racism/bigotry aimed at whites is not separate from the entire concept of racism as a whole, and "anti-white" is in practice purely a racist word.

[Lanky Wanker]

A bigoted/racist statement/opinion =/= "anti-white"

So fancy then someone says something disparaging against whites or whatever, is this statement then probably racist/bigoted? Quite likely. But the concept of "anti-white racism" as a separate concept and it's oh-so-enormous prevalence at the hands of the "cultural Marxists" in the West and whatever they go on about is frankly only expounded by racist groupings. Usually it is built on paranoid delusions of western "white" bourgeois governments policies favouring multiculturalism or even just a reluctant tolerance and strange absurd fear about demographic changes forty years ahead. Ergo a racism/bigotry aimed at whites is not separate from the entire concept of racism as a whole, and "anti-white" is in practice purely a racist word.

At least we're getting somewhere now. So basically we're defining who's racist and bigoted based on their wording instead of what they actually may or may not mean? I see... thanks for clearing that up for me. I love how we can start a whole argument based on the terms Stormfront create for everyone else to use.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

At least we're getting somewhere now. So basically we're defining who's racist and bigoted based on their wording instead of what they actually may or may not mean? I see... thanks for clearing that up for me. I love how we can start a whole argument based on the terms Stormfront create for everyone else to use.

Why not give an example of "anti-white" used by someone who isn't a racist or a group that isn't racist, then? I've never seen it happen, and it strikes me as quite uncommon. "Anti-Swedish" is often used around here by racist to describe any government or public policy favouring even the most reluctant policy of approachment towards immigrants, or simply being opposed to racist treatment of said immigrants. The concept of "white" is not all that widespread for various historical reasons, so when someone actually uses "anti-white" they quite often are racist and "white-power" types. Just like you know when someone starts raving about "PC", they're most likely a bunch of racist tossers.

[Lanky Wanker]

Why not give an example of "anti-white" used by someone who isn't a racist or a group that isn't racist, then? I've never seen it happen, and it strikes me as quite uncommon. "Anti-Swedish" is often used around here by racist to describe any government or public policy favouring even the most reluctant policy of approachment towards immigrants, or simply being opposed to racist treatment of said immigrants. The concept of "white" is not all that widespread for various historical reasons, so when someone actually uses "anti-white" they quite often are racist and "white-power" types. Just like you know when someone starts raving about "PC", they're most likely a bunch of racist tossers.

Well referring to individual cases of racism (e.g. racially motived attacks on whites by ethnic minorities) are usually used as examples of systematic anti-white racism, so I see where you're coming from there. I suppose it just annoys me that we're attaching actual meanings to simple terms in the same way that Nazis are going around YouTube and commenting "anti-racist = anti-white!" on every damn video. Half of the English language will be code for something racist or anti-whatever by the time I'm retired.

[A Marxist Historian]

Well referring to individual cases of racism (e.g. racially motived attacks on whites by ethnic minorities) are usually used as examples of systematic anti-white racism, so I see where you're coming from there. I suppose it just annoys me that we're attaching actual meanings to simple terms in the same way that Nazis are going around YouTube and commenting "anti-racist = anti-white!" on every damn video. Half of the English language will be code for something racist or anti-whatever by the time I'm retired.

"Racism" isn't just an ideology or an attitude, it's a social system, in which one race is superior to another in a society.

Is it possible to have a society in which whites are the inferior, suppressed race? In theory, yes. In practice, due to the dominant role of Europe and America in the history of capitalism, you've never really had one.

In Imperial Japan under the Mikado, there was definitely a concept of Japanese racial superiority, but Japan is a monoracial society, and in practice this meant Japanese superiority over the Chinese and so forth. Perhaps if Japan had conquered Australia, you could have had Australia as a Japanese colony and genuine anti-white racism.

That's about the only real example I can think of. Sure, you have a few ultra black nationalist ideologues with ideas of black racial superiority, but that's just a defensive reaction to white racism, not the real thing.

-M.H.-

[homegrown terror]

i will say, however, that even though "white-hate" and "man-hate" are not widespread problems the way other racial and sexual attitudes are, it would be extremely frustrating if it happened to you and no one seemed to care. case in point: i was in a very abusive marriage for several years (my ex-wife would beat me very frequently, until i got the willpower to defend myself) and people brushed my concerns off constantly. i felt like due to my gender, my pain was irrelevant to most people, and i suppose if one of the "white racism" posters came from such an environment (living in an inner city, going to school where they WERE discriminated against for being white) then indeed their concerns are personally valid. not saying that's the case, but maybe we should ask their point of view before assuming they're just acting butt-hurt when someone fights back against white-dominated society.

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

I don't no much about BNP since i reject Zionism and BNP is full of them .
Take a Look at My train experience in England when a Women said that Immigrants should go home many people start acussing her of Racism .
They have all right but why they didn't say the same thing to the African guy in Paris when he started insulting and wish that all whites got dead ?
Even better look at leader of Black Phanters saying that black guys should only date with black womans and the whites must die .
So why leftist doesn't opose and react the same way the both sides ?
What do you know about the BPP? Nothing. It turns out that "immigrant go home," is a racist spew (okay maybe only a xenophobic nationalist spew) -- it is offensive. In my experience people that complain about the racism of blacks are racists. What is the point of your comments? That it isn't fucking fair? Well is it fucking fair that blacks make less than whites, are far more likely to get stiffer sentences for the same crimes, have less access to education, etc? Because you don't give a shit about that but are all concerned, what? That leftists are prone to seeing racism involved when a person of color is attacked? Sorry buddy, that's not a big problem, if it even exists. Racism and racial oppression are.

[NewLeft]

There can indeed be such a thing as anti-white racism, and I unapologetically accuse people who don't recognize it of being provincial insulars caught up in the left's annoying and very real Eurocentrism.
You're analyzing from a eurocentric view, take your example of "anti-white racism" in Japan. Is this policy directed at whites? No. While who are the migrant workers? Who are the ones being deported? It is NOT white people. Racism is international. You cannot look at it in isolation or without context [your deceiving Vietnam example, where you forgot to mention the black children]. There is no anti-white racism.

[A Marxist Historian]

i will say, however, that even though "white-hate" and "man-hate" are not widespread problems the way other racial and sexual attitudes are, it would be extremely frustrating if it happened to you and no one seemed to care. case in point: i was in a very abusive marriage for several years (my ex-wife would beat me very frequently, until i got the willpower to defend myself) and people brushed my concerns off constantly. i felt like due to my gender, my pain was irrelevant to most people, and i suppose if one of the "white racism" posters came from such an environment (living in an inner city, going to school where they WERE discriminated against for being white) then indeed their concerns are personally valid. not saying that's the case, but maybe we should ask their point of view before assuming they're just acting butt-hurt when someone fights back against white-dominated society.

If what you are saying is true, you are another victim of male chauvinism. Because this is a sexist society, everyone tends to assume that any man claiming to have been beaten up by a woman is either lying, or such a wimp that he deserved it.

Are white students discriminated against in school if they attend an all-black school? Hell no. As most teachers are white, if anything they become the teachers' pet most of the time, and even the black teachers unconsciously often assume that they are better students than the black kids, and treat them accordingly.

Of course, they are vulternable to being beaten up by the other kids, but that is not racism, that is simply a reflection of the mutual hatred between races in a white racist society. He is not being "discriminated against," rather black kids are taking their frustrations about white racism out on him.

Not the same thing at all, though not much comfort if you are on the receiving end.

-M.H.-

[A Marxist Historian]

You're analyzing from a eurocentric view, take your example of "anti-white racism" in Japan. Is this policy directed at whites? No. While who are the migrant workers? Who are the ones being deported? It is NOT white people. Racism is international. You cannot look at it in isolation or without context [your deceiving Vietnam example, where you forgot to mention the black children]. There is no anti-white racism.

Newleft's critique of MarxSchmarz is very valid. It's true that you had an anti-white racist ideology in the heyday of Imperial Japan, but since there were hardly any whites in Japan then, and few to no whites in any of the Japanese colonies, it didn't mean much.

Do you still have those attitudes now in the old Japanese East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere, in Japan itself in particular? No doubt, but they mean even less now, as Japan was conquered by a white racist country called the USA in WWII. So white tourists in Japan, virtually the only white people in Japan, get treated very well indeed. There are still US troops in Okinawa, and real white racism in Japan would simply not be tolerated by Uncle Sam.

For that matter, we've had some posters to Revleft from Japan, and often they are white expats. I don't recall one of them ever even hinting that he faced mistreatment there 'cuz he was white.

-M.H.-

[Lanky Wanker]

Of course, they are vulternable to being beaten up by the other kids, but that is not racism, that is simply a reflection of the mutual hatred between races in a white racist society. He is not being "discriminated against," rather black kids are taking their frustrations about white racism out on him.


Hitler was probably pretty pissed about all those Jewish artists of his time who were more successful than he was. Let's assume for argument's sake he killed 6 million Jews because he was taking out his frustrations on them... does that mean Hitler wasn't a racist (minus all of the Aryan supremacy crap)? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but I don't see how/where you draw the line between taking out frustrations on a person because of their race, and flat out racist attacks (verbal or physical).

[Robocommie]

Hitler was probably pretty pissed about all those Jewish artists of his time who were more successful than he was. Let's assume for argument's sake he killed 6 million Jews because he was taking out his frustrations on them... does that mean Hitler wasn't a racist (minus all of the Aryan supremacy crap)? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but I don't see how/where you draw the line between taking out frustrations on a person because of their race, and flat out racist attacks (verbal or physical).

Bro, using Hitler as your baseline example of racism is a pretty lazy tactic.

[Lanky Wanker]

Bro, using Hitler as your baseline example of racism is a pretty lazy tactic.

Swap it for whoever else you want that attacks people because of their race. I'm just having a hard time understanding all these different definitions of racist being thrown around.

[Robocommie]

Swap it for whoever else you want that attacks people because of their race. I'm just having a hard time understanding all these different definitions of racist being thrown around.

At the end of the day it's about power, dude. What social groups have the power to exploit others in the most effective manner? If you really believe that blacks have the political and economic power to oppress whites in the context of the US, then you're living in a fantasy land. The reality is that European descended people are typically in the upper echelons of every society where they show up as a serious demographic.

This is not about the behavior of individuals towards individuals, divorced of all social context. As leftists that does not concern us except on a purely human, individual level. Politically, our focus must be on the broader social realities. Our concern is for those demographic groups who are most powerless to defend themselves from acts of racial violence or petty discrimination.

In other words, what made Hitler really such a danger, such a concern, is not simply that he was an asshole who hated Jews. What made him so dangerous and concerning to society at large is the fact that society, for whatever reason, allowed him and people like him to be placed in such a position where they could utilize the power of state institutions, like media, the army, the police, to commit atrocities against Jews and other minority groups.

[The Dark Side of the Moon]

Racism is Racism
enough said. Actually calling someone black, is racism, calling someone white is racism. BOURGEOIS make it like that:confused:
Have i confused you yet?:)

[Jimmie Higgins]

yah I know what your talking about but there a minority among Communists and Anarchists.. most of us Communists consider any type of racism terrible and is a product of Capitalism and is Counterevolutionary and is forbidden.. us Communists dont see Race and Race dont matter to us for we are all one and we are all equal

While race is a social construct in my opinion and you're right, it is specifically constructed by the conditions of capitalism, race is still a material factor in life. In other words, it doesn't exist in an objective biological sense, but it does exist as a subjective social reality.

[Sasha]

what? this page has run up six pages already? succesfull nazi troll was actually succesfull i guess. CLOSED