TheMyth
23rd May 2012, 16:27
So Marxism - Leninism if the continuation of Marx and Engels by Lenine right take a look :
"Working men’s Paris, with its Commune, will be forever celebrated as the glorious harbinger of a new society. Its martyrs are enshrined in the great heart of the working class. Its exterminators history has already nailed to that eternal pillory from which all the prayers of their priest will not avail to redeem them."
" The centralized state power, with its ubiquitous organs of standing army, police, bureaucracy, clergy, and judicature – organs wrought after the plan of a systematic and hierarchic division of labor – originates from the days of absolute monarchy, serving nascent middle class society as a mighty weapon in its struggle against feudalism."
" This fact was now to be transformed into an institution. The first decree of the Commune, therefore, was the suppression of the standing army, and the substitution for it of the armed people. "
" The Commune was formed of the municipal councillors, chosen by universal suffrage in the various wards of the town, responsible and revocable at short terms. The majority of its members were naturally working men, or acknowledged representatives of the working class. The Commune was to be a working, not a parliamentary body, executive and legislative at the same time. "
" Instead of continuing to be the agent of the Central Government, the police was at once stripped of its political attributes, and turned into the responsible, and at all times revocable, agent of the Commune. So were the officials of all other branches of the administration. From the members of the Commune downwards, the public service had to be done at workman’s wage. The vested interests and the representation allowances of the high dignitaries of state disappeared along with the high dignitaries themselves. Public functions ceased to be the private property of the tools of the Central Government. Not only municipal administration, but the whole initiative hitherto exercised by the state was laid into the hands of the Commune. "
" Having once got rid of the standing army and the police – the physical force elements of the old government – the Commune was anxious to break the spiritual force of repression, the “parson-power", by the disestablishment and disendowment of all churches as proprietary bodies. The priests were sent back to the recesses of private life, there to feed upon the alms of the faithful in imitation of their predecessors, the apostles. "
" The whole of the educational institutions were opened to the people gratuitously, and at the same time cleared of all interference of church and state. Thus, not only was education made accessible to all, but science itself freed from the fetters which class prejudice and governmental force had imposed upon it. "
Written: July 1870 - May 1871;
First Published: 1871;
Source: English Edition of 1871;
By: Karl Marx
Tell me after you reading all those quotes if you find the same thing on ML ?
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You should look at Democratic Centralism :
The idea of a vanguard detachment of disciplined, efficient, led Lenin to formulate, in the historical conditions of Russia in 1917, the principle of democratic centralism. This is therefore a formulation not Marxist but Leninist. Furthermore, this idea became the cornerstone of the Leninist conception (not Marxist) party of new type.
Lenin put the problem in relatively simple terms. When the party must make a decision, it must meet its members, promote an open discussion, broad, deep, allowing the detailed examination of the issue, to finally, as the crowning of the discussion process, put to a vote the various positions up for grabs . This is the moment of democracy. Once consolidated a majority, the minority should be subordinate to it. This is the moment of centralism. Hence the formula Leninist democratic centralism.
Historically, democratic centralism tended toward bureaucratic centralism. This trend in the design degenerated Stalinist party. There was a shift in the center of political discussion-based organizations for the directions. And it becomes the height of the Secretary General decide to without objection. Consequently, the choice of directions is now operated by co-option. In this format, is the direction that legitimizes the bases and provides control over them, reversing the democratic dynamic. Thus, the willingness of the organization is forged from the top down, authoritarian ..
A socialist party, in a context of political democracy, needs to be a democratic organization of the masses. It has the task of producing a consensus in society about their ideas. For this he needs to reach a consensus internally. Your unit must be designed as unity of thought and action, not just action. For it is the unity of thought which paves the unity of action. And that is not resolved by the subordination of minority to majority. It is far more complicated. Requires the exercise of persuasion.
The unity of thought can only be understood as a unity in diversity, a pact between different that preserves the free expression of thought. Therefore, the construction of a collective thought is a negotiation that does not rule out divergence, but seeks to harmonize it with the weaving of a web inclusive consensus on issues central to the development of political struggle. And do not forget that the collective thinking is always a dialectical synthesis provisional, unfinished, a becoming, a stream that never reaches its end, it is constantly reprocessing.
. As Roland Barthes would say, "fascism is not to stop to say, is obliged to say."
"Working men’s Paris, with its Commune, will be forever celebrated as the glorious harbinger of a new society. Its martyrs are enshrined in the great heart of the working class. Its exterminators history has already nailed to that eternal pillory from which all the prayers of their priest will not avail to redeem them."
" The centralized state power, with its ubiquitous organs of standing army, police, bureaucracy, clergy, and judicature – organs wrought after the plan of a systematic and hierarchic division of labor – originates from the days of absolute monarchy, serving nascent middle class society as a mighty weapon in its struggle against feudalism."
" This fact was now to be transformed into an institution. The first decree of the Commune, therefore, was the suppression of the standing army, and the substitution for it of the armed people. "
" The Commune was formed of the municipal councillors, chosen by universal suffrage in the various wards of the town, responsible and revocable at short terms. The majority of its members were naturally working men, or acknowledged representatives of the working class. The Commune was to be a working, not a parliamentary body, executive and legislative at the same time. "
" Instead of continuing to be the agent of the Central Government, the police was at once stripped of its political attributes, and turned into the responsible, and at all times revocable, agent of the Commune. So were the officials of all other branches of the administration. From the members of the Commune downwards, the public service had to be done at workman’s wage. The vested interests and the representation allowances of the high dignitaries of state disappeared along with the high dignitaries themselves. Public functions ceased to be the private property of the tools of the Central Government. Not only municipal administration, but the whole initiative hitherto exercised by the state was laid into the hands of the Commune. "
" Having once got rid of the standing army and the police – the physical force elements of the old government – the Commune was anxious to break the spiritual force of repression, the “parson-power", by the disestablishment and disendowment of all churches as proprietary bodies. The priests were sent back to the recesses of private life, there to feed upon the alms of the faithful in imitation of their predecessors, the apostles. "
" The whole of the educational institutions were opened to the people gratuitously, and at the same time cleared of all interference of church and state. Thus, not only was education made accessible to all, but science itself freed from the fetters which class prejudice and governmental force had imposed upon it. "
Written: July 1870 - May 1871;
First Published: 1871;
Source: English Edition of 1871;
By: Karl Marx
Tell me after you reading all those quotes if you find the same thing on ML ?
--------------------------------------------------
You should look at Democratic Centralism :
The idea of a vanguard detachment of disciplined, efficient, led Lenin to formulate, in the historical conditions of Russia in 1917, the principle of democratic centralism. This is therefore a formulation not Marxist but Leninist. Furthermore, this idea became the cornerstone of the Leninist conception (not Marxist) party of new type.
Lenin put the problem in relatively simple terms. When the party must make a decision, it must meet its members, promote an open discussion, broad, deep, allowing the detailed examination of the issue, to finally, as the crowning of the discussion process, put to a vote the various positions up for grabs . This is the moment of democracy. Once consolidated a majority, the minority should be subordinate to it. This is the moment of centralism. Hence the formula Leninist democratic centralism.
Historically, democratic centralism tended toward bureaucratic centralism. This trend in the design degenerated Stalinist party. There was a shift in the center of political discussion-based organizations for the directions. And it becomes the height of the Secretary General decide to without objection. Consequently, the choice of directions is now operated by co-option. In this format, is the direction that legitimizes the bases and provides control over them, reversing the democratic dynamic. Thus, the willingness of the organization is forged from the top down, authoritarian ..
A socialist party, in a context of political democracy, needs to be a democratic organization of the masses. It has the task of producing a consensus in society about their ideas. For this he needs to reach a consensus internally. Your unit must be designed as unity of thought and action, not just action. For it is the unity of thought which paves the unity of action. And that is not resolved by the subordination of minority to majority. It is far more complicated. Requires the exercise of persuasion.
The unity of thought can only be understood as a unity in diversity, a pact between different that preserves the free expression of thought. Therefore, the construction of a collective thought is a negotiation that does not rule out divergence, but seeks to harmonize it with the weaving of a web inclusive consensus on issues central to the development of political struggle. And do not forget that the collective thinking is always a dialectical synthesis provisional, unfinished, a becoming, a stream that never reaches its end, it is constantly reprocessing.
. As Roland Barthes would say, "fascism is not to stop to say, is obliged to say."