View Full Version : "Robin Hood" Dual Power, or Somalia?
Die Neue Zeit
23rd May 2012, 14:40
The stereotypical "dual power" situation pits the established government against prolific councils or other political organs of the working class. However, those cases where the latter organs are successful occurred because they provided social support.
Let's also consider Wilhelm's Liebknecht's slogan, "Not One Man, Not One Penny," such that the taxation system of the established government is mostly in tatters (like in Greece). Let's also assume that the worker organs have more institutional backbone. Would this be too much a Somalia case, with private gangs and paramilitary groups running amok? Or could this be a "Robin Hood" dual power scenario, whereby the institutional mass movement of the working class itself not only has Alternative Culture as the basis of its social support, not only has paramilitias and other armed groups, but through those groups "robs the rich to feed the poor" (fellow workers) as a substitute for the broken taxation system?
Vladimir Innit Lenin
24th May 2012, 12:43
If it's gangs running amok, it's gangs running amok. If it's political/economic/workplace councils set up and run democratically by the working class, for the working class, then it's what it says on the tin.
Seriously, is this your best effort? I don't understand what you're trying to get at here, as usual.
Die Neue Zeit
24th May 2012, 15:45
I was only trying to flesh out discussion on the ramifications of a broken taxation system with regards to worker-class movements organizing institutionally.
Vladimir Innit Lenin
25th May 2012, 12:04
Well, now they're fleshed out.
Btw are you American? Why do you use 'z' as a replacement of 's'? Is it alternative culture to do so?
Die Neue Zeit
25th May 2012, 14:49
Well, now they're fleshed out.
I don't think so.
Btw are you American? Why do you use 'z' as a replacement of 's'? Is it alternative culture to do so?
No, and you of all people should know already where my username is derived from.
Vladimir Innit Lenin
25th May 2012, 19:40
Why me of all people?
And yes, I know you're from Germany. So why the Americanism? Sorry, i'm not even trying to be arsey this time, it just annoys me, it's incorrect!
Die Neue Zeit
26th May 2012, 02:14
Why me of all people?
And yes, I know you're from Germany. So why the Americanism? Sorry, i'm not even trying to be arsey this time, it just annoys me, it's incorrect!
Actually, I'm not from Europe at all. The "Z" is the correct spelling in German for "times."
blake 3:17
26th May 2012, 05:58
@DNZ
Btw are you American? Why do you use 'z' as a replacement of 's'? Is it alternative culture to do so? I think words like "organize" as oppose to "organise" are meant. I generally go with English variation, but apparently I'm pro-USA on this issue.
Ocean Seal
26th May 2012, 06:12
@DNZ I think words like "organize" as oppose to "organise" are meant. I generally go with English variation, but apparently I'm pro-USA on this issue.
I speak American unless firefox is set to British English.
Vladimir Innit Lenin
26th May 2012, 13:24
Actually, I'm not from Europe at all. The "Z" is the correct spelling in German for "times."
I wasn't talking about your name, I was talking about spelling the word 'organization.' Why the 'z'?
Die Neue Zeit
26th May 2012, 18:54
Oh yeah, I'm going with the spelling that is global except in the UK.
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