Tyler Clementi Case: Dharun Ravi sentenced to 30 days in jail

[阿部高和]

http://www.news.com.au/world/judge-spares-webcam-spy/story-fn6sb9br-1226362953381


A COLLEGE student convicted of illegally filming his gay roommate on a webcam will spend only 30 days in jail.

Indian immigrant Dharun Ravi was facing a possible 10 years behind bars.
Ravi, who shared the webcam footage with friends in his dormitory at Rutgers University in New Jersey, had also faced possible deportation, but the judge said he would not recommend this.
The case sparked a national debate over cyber bullying and gay bashing when the roommate, apparently distraught in part over the embarrassment of the broadcasting of his gay sexual encounter, committed suicide days later. Ravi, 20, was not charged with the death.



Justice has been served. Dharun Ravi, possibly gay himself, played a mean-spirited prank that went afoul, but beyond that, he certainly didn't commit murder; the only murderer in this case would be Tyler Clementi.

And here I was, afraid it'd become another game of "blame the brown man for white man's burden".

Many from the gay community, myself included, are in support of him:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-crime-rutgersbre84h16c-20120518,0,6416772.story

[Prometeo liberado]

If this had been a gay latino/black janitor that was guilty he'd be on a flight or in jail right now. The system is not set up for justice, comrade. Expediancy yes, justice, not really.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Justice has been served. Dharun Ravi, possibly gay himself, played a mean-spirited prank that went afoul, but beyond that, he certainly didn't commit murder; the only murderer in this case would be Tyler Clementi.

What are you talking about?


And here I was, afraid it'd become another game of "blame the brown man for white man's burden".

???

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

30 days is a bullshit sentence. How the hell is that going to teach him not to violate the privacy of others?

Ravi may not have set out to kill anyone, but by his deliberate actions he caused Clementi to kill himself, and no wonder - is it really a "prank" to release footage of someone engaged in homosexual activity in a society where homophobia is all too prevalent?

Ravi deserves no sympathy, especially in light of his light sentence.

[阿部高和]

Ravi may not have set out to kill anyone, but by his deliberate actions he caused Clementi to kill himself

What's the difference between Dhuran Ravi and Perez Hilton?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

What's the difference between Dhuran Ravi and Perez Hilton?

Perez Hilton has nothing to do with this so do not bring him in and explain by what you meant (what I quoted you).

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

What's the difference between Dhuran Ravi and Perez Hilton?

Does Perez Hilton upload, without permission, footage of gay people having sex for the world and their dog to see?

[~Spectre]

Does Perez Hilton upload, without permission, footage of gay people having sex for the world and their dog to see?

Except that's not what Ravi did. Don't let your not actually knowing what happened stop you from wanting to sick the state on people though.

[~Spectre]

30 days is a bullshit sentence. How the hell is that going to teach him not to violate the privacy of others?

You think he's ever going to do anything remotely like this again?


Ravi may not have set out to kill anyone, but by his deliberate actions he caused Clementi to kill himself

What does deliberate even mean here? Deliberately meant for Clementi to kill himself? Nonsense. You're also infantilizing Clementi here by denying his own agency. What happened to him was absolutely wrong (he was shown kissing another man to a few of Ravi's friends), but it's not the same thing as having thrown him off a cliff. You can't prove that type of causality.


Ravi deserves no sympathy, especially in light of his light sentence.

Ravi could've served no jail time at all. All he had to do was plea out. He didn't though, because that would've required him to confess that he meant to do these things. He risked years in jail to avoid that false confession.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Except that's not what Ravi did. Don't let your not actually knowing what happened stop you from wanting to sick the state on people though.

What am I missing here? Ravi made the recording without permission, did he not? Did he not also have little control over who his "friends" decided to share the recording with?


You think he's ever going to do anything remotely like this again?

I don't know. Do you?


What does deliberate even mean here? Deliberately meant for Clementi to kill himself? Nonsense.

I'm assuming that Ravi had full control of his faculties when he made the recording without permission.


You're also infantilizing Clementi here by denying his own agency. What happened to him was absolutely wrong (he was shown kissing another man to a few of Ravi's friends), but it's not the same thing as having thrown him off a cliff. You can't prove that type of causality.

Because gay people have never killed themselves after being unwillingly outed in a homophobic society. Right.


Ravi could've served no jail time at all. All he had to do was plea out. He didn't though, because that would've required him to confess that he meant to do these things. He risked years in jail to avoid that false confession.

Didn't mean to do what? Violate someone's privacy, with tragic consequences? Clearly he did do that.

[~Spectre]

What am I missing here? Ravi made the recording without permission, did he not? Did he not also have little control over who his "friends" decided to share the recording with?

You said he showed Clementi having sex. That is absolutely false.He did no such thing. He briefly showed Clementi kissing another man. That's still not good, but there's major differences.

If I show you a picture of my friend kissing her girlfriend, that may be bad, but it's exponentially less of a violation than me showing you footage of her having sex. Your mischaracterization matters, and you should withdraw it and admit your mistake.




I don't know. Do you?

Yes. He won't. Either that, or he's insane, and if he's insane, it's cruel and inhumane to lock him up for years.



I'm assuming that Ravi had full control of his faculties when he made the recording without permission.

Lot's of people record things without permission. If you've ever been to a college, it's filled with immature idiots playing peeping tom on each other. There is usually no malicious intent behind it.



Because gay people have never killed themselves after being unwillingly outed in a homophobic society. Right.

1. He's not "gay people". He's Tyler Clementi. He's a unique individual, not a member of a caste. Don't remove his agency. Provide evidence pertinent to his case.

2. He wasn't outed. Clementi had been out since before moving to college. That again doesn't make it right, but please try to get your facts correct.

Besides, lots of people commit suicide for lots of reasons. It's your burden to justify violent state intervention. You know beyond a reasonable doubt that Clementi killed himself because of this? And even if he did (something you haven't proven) there are limits to this sort of thing. People take embarassing videos of each other all the time, yet people don't kill themselves. If Clementi had killed himself because he had been briefly recorded singing in the shower (with no nudity shown), should Ravi have been thrown in jail? Your standard is absurd. This was a dumb prank gone wrong.



Didn't mean to do what? Violate someone's privacy, with tragic consequences? Clearly he did do that.

You keep using the word clearly, but I don't think you know what it means. Clementi's depression was documented before coming to college. His mother had rejected him. He didn't even mention Ravi in his suicide note. Where is your "clearly" coming from?

Evidence please.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You said he showed Clementi having sex. That is absolutely false.He did no such thing. He briefly showed Clementi kissing another man. That's still not good, but there's major differences.

If I show you a picture of my friend kissing her girlfriend, that may be bad, but it's exponentially less of a violation than me showing you footage of her having sex. Your mischaracterization matters, and you should withdraw it and admit your mistake.

And the violation of privacy? That doesn't matter?


Yes. He won't. Either that, or he's insane, and if he's insane, it's cruel and inhumane to lock him up for years.

I said the sentence was bullshit, not that it wasn't long enough. Learn to read.


Lot's of people record things without permission. If you've ever been to a college, it's filled with immature idiots playing peeping tom on each other. There is usually no malicious intent behind it.

"Everyone else does it" is never an excuse. Further, if the culture of American colleges is such that such non-consensual recordings are commonplace, Ravi should have damn well known better.


1. He's not "gay people". He's Tyler Clementi. He's a unique individual, not a member of a caste. Don't remove his agency. Provide evidence pertinent to his case.

I cannot remove Clementi's agency any more than I can remove the colour of the sky, so fuck your lame insinuations and putting of words in my mouth. You are deliberately ignoring the social context of this case in order to construct a strawman of my position.


2. He wasn't outed. Clementi had been out since before moving to college. That again doesn't make it right, but please try to get your facts correct.

Because being "out" is a surefire way of avoiding humiliation and bullying. Right.


Besides, lots of people commit suicide for lots of reasons. It's your burden to justify violent state intervention. You know beyond a reasonable doubt that Clementi killed himself because of this? And even if he did (something you haven't proven) there are limits to this sort of thing. People take embarassing videos of each other all the time, yet people don't kill themselves. If Clementi had killed himself because he had been briefly recorded singing in the shower (with no nudity shown), should Ravi have been thrown in jail? Your standard is absurd. This was a dumb prank gone wrong.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the recording was an aggravating factor.


You keep using the word clearly, but I don't think you know what it means. Clementi's depression was documented before coming to college. His mother had rejected him. He didn't even mention Ravi in his suicide note. Where is your "clearly" coming from?

Evidence please.

So Ravi played this "prank" on someone who was to all intents and purposes a stranger (due to either not knowing Clementi personally or Clementi not feeling close enough to inform Ravi of his personal issues), or he played it on someone that he knew had problems.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

So, I totally agree that what Dharun Ravi did was exceedingly fucked up and that he deserves punishment, but it's funny how quick people are to reaffirm the utilization of America's less-than-perfect justice system mete out the punishment in such cases.

He certainly did something horrible however and OP's attempts to minimize it is pathetic.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I think it is interesting to note that when people were angry at Treyvon Martin's murderer there was open direction on the left to have him arrested (I.E "Justice.") yet when it comes to something which is equally on par, the recording of Tyler in an intimate moment, leftists are quick to give the offender, Ravi, the Devil's Advocate and say his imprisonment is not justified.

It would be more bearable it it wasn't so hypocritical.
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Also, since the OP only launched this topic as a troll route and has now been banned...

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