What are the consequences of the War with Iran?

[Hexen]

Although I hope there isn't a war, but let's say if Israel really did strike Iran what are the repercussions and can anyone (well any experts here?) predict what will realistically happen?

[Zealot]

An attack on Iran is unlikely to happen until a US imperialist-friendly state is installed in Syria to completely surround Iran with the lapdogs of imperialism. Russia may get involved to protect its imperial interests and to prevent the war spilling over into its borders. In the case that Iran's regular army is defeated, the resistance will retreat into Afghanistan and Pakistan - India and China likely to become involved - worse case scenario = WWIII. I'm probably full of shit though.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

A large cale regional war involving Pakistan, Israel, Afghanistan, and probably Russia and China to a smaller extent. Would undoubtedly be far more bloody than the Iraq war and cause an oil shortage thereby skyrocketing costs.

But such is unlikely to ever happen. Israel might bomb a reactor site or two but full scale war is unlikely.

[Magón]

I think if they tried anything to the scale that either World War was, then this new war would become even more disliked and want a stop to than the Vietnam War. It would definitely play to the problem of rising oil prices, and coal would likely go up if China got involved since China's a big coal exporter to the rest of the world.

Basically a lot of resource problems would happen, since right now there's no sign on the horizon that any sort of dependable renewable energy sources are going to be taking over in the next ten years or so, from things like coal, oil, etc.

Like TheGodlessUtopian said, all out war with Iran is likely something that isn't going to happen. Small little back and forth attacks, maybe, like bombing a reactor, killing this or that scientist/politician. But I doubt we'd see things like tanks rolling across the desert. Even long distance bombing campaigns, like the US was doing with their stealth bombers in Libya, I'm doubtful of.

[Hexen]

Well if Israel does bomb Iran's nuclear sectors, Will fascism especially in Europe will gain massive support due to the popularity of Jewish conspiracy theories?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Well if Israel does bomb Iran's nuclear sectors, Will fascism especially in Europe will gain massive support due to the popularity of Jewish conspiracy theories?

I do not see how it would give the fascists anything.They already propound on that nonsense anyway and use every little thing as "proof." An Israeli attack would draw condemnation towards Israel but that is about it.

[Zealot]

I think if they tried anything to the scale that either World War was, then this new war would become even more disliked and want a stop to than the Vietnam War. It would definitely play to the problem of rising oil prices, and coal would likely go up if China got involved since China's a big coal exporter to the rest of the world.

I think you misunderstand the dynamics of war. War is a perfect time to ramp up nationalism, create an enemy and thus an excuse to consolidate power over the state and the economy.


Basically a lot of resource problems would happen, since right now there's no sign on the horizon that any sort of dependable renewable energy sources are going to be taking over in the next ten years or so, from things like coal, oil, etc.

All the more reason to carry out a large-scale imperialist war.

[Magón]

I think you misunderstand the dynamics of war. War is a perfect time to ramp up nationalism, create an enemy and thus an excuse to consolidate power over the state and the economy.

Depends on who gets involved. The US alone would have a hard time unlike after 9/11, ramping up nationalism. It's why even conservatives are tired of paying for foreign wars. Such a large scale war would be like I said, even more unpopular across the board than Vietnam.


All the more reason to carry out a large-scale imperialist war.

Except when you're burning up more resources than you can properly take in. They'd have to tap into reserves probably, and no nation wants that because if that gets out, then it raises the prices of resources more and more in the market because they can extract as quickly as they're burning.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Probably a good chance that the middle eastern social movements that have been developing in recent years would be drowned in a sea of nationalism, violence and terror.

[wsg1991]

there is a good article for Abdel Bari Atwan , an Palestinian journalist about this , recently some massive army drill was done in Jordan lately several countries participated including some USA representatives , things might evolve badly in Syria , and probably Iran , but Even WW3 is a possible Scenario . but i think it's just a proxy war

[Stern]

Possible scenarios:

(a) Israel successful surgical attack: butthurt through the muslim world, rockets in gaza and lebanon, possible third intifada and smear campaign by muslim funded media, Iran depletes the treasury in russian outdated equipment and russian officers but doesn't make an offensive move... Maybe Iran would be closer to Arab League and a second six days war begin; where Israel would end victorious.

(b) Israel failed attack: a war of exhaustion between Israel and Iran, full of milita groups like Hizbola and Iran's proxies like Syria and Iraq (now days controlled by shias, thanks to mr. bush). Worst case scenario for Israel, would be like Israel Stalingrad, they simply can't afford a war of exhaustion; not with a mission-type tactics, fast victory oriented army and war on 3 fronts. In the end they would lost territory, face an economic crisis and be more controlled by USA, just like after Yom Kippur war.

(c) Iran attacks out of boredom or impatience: Nato troops would rape Iran.

[Stern]

Probably a good chance that the middle eastern social movements that have been developing in recent years would be drowned in a sea of nationalism, violence and terror.

What social movements?
The so called arab spring is not a change of ideology or mentality, only a change of power.
Behind them is only the money of interested parties, like USA behind Libya or Iran behind Egypt.

[Psy]

What social movements?
The so called arab spring is not a change of ideology or mentality, only a change of power.
Behind them is only the money of interested parties, like USA behind Libya or Iran behind Egypt.
The Arab spring is a symptom of the proletariat stirring, it is true the bourgeoisie headed off revolution this time but that doesn't change the fact they had to scramble to get ahead of the revolutionary situation to avoid capitalism being overthrown.

[Hexen]

To be honest, my main concern about the War with Iran comes from Micheal Rivero (http://whatreallyhappened.com/) where he constantly keeps banging the drum of nuclear war whenever the subject on anything about War on Iran comes up which he constantly says this.


So what we have here is the potential for not a regional, but a global thermonuclear war over an alleged Iranian weapons program which cannot, to date, be proven to exist.I guess he keeps harping on unlikely scenarios and is he alarmist? Well the real source of my concern originated from a person I talked to who regularly visits Micheal Rivero's site (and he also reads Alexander Higgins (http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/) which is another conspiracy blog) who claims that "If Iran get's attacked, Russia has the right to use nuclear weapons on anywhere in the world" and he also compares the situation to the "Cuban Missile Crisis".

So is there any response to these doomsday fears?

[Eagle_Syr]

Well if Israel does bomb Iran's nuclear sectors, Will fascism especially in Europe will gain massive support due to the popularity of Jewish conspiracy theories?

What makes you think Fascism is concerned at all with the Jewish people?


Anyway, conventional war with Iran is unlikely until there is a change in the balance of power in the region. And if it did happen, it would have global repurcussions; I imagine it would involve the major regional powers, Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iran, and would lead to civil conflicts and national conflicts.

Nobody would win, except invested arms dealers.

[Rafiq]

Something must be clarified: European Fascism, today, is extremely antisemitic. Though, unlike it's American counterpart, European racists, supports Israel. Why? They want the "Jews" out of Europe, and they could care less where they go. Israel's existence, for them, signifies their "racial" security. But Fascism is inherently a bastion of conspiracy theories. Whether it be Jews, or "Freemasons" (that bastard Franco believed that) doesn't matter.

[Eagle_Syr]

Rafiq,

The Fascisti of Italy couldn't have cared less about the Jewish people. Nazi Germany was not a legitimate Fascist state. Their alliance no doubt pressured Italy into supporting anti-Semitic measures.

Fascism is not fundamentally concerned with Judaism, or even race, for that matter. It is concerned with nationalism and class collaboration.

[Rafiq]

We call them Fascist because they both represent a desperate response by the Bourgeois class to sustain the capitalist mode of production. In honesty, I could care less about whatever ideological rheotric is present in real Fascism.

[Eagle_Syr]

But you should care, because the bulk of the supporters of Fascism are not consciously aware that it is simply a reactionary response to preserve the bourgeoisie.

Fascists genuinely believe in their ideology as a distinct, futurist movement designed at re-structuring society.

[Hexen]

Anyway can anyone counter Micheal Rivero's (well he's actually a antisemitic right wing conspiracy theorist) quote I posted (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2465498&postcount=14) above?

[Zealot]

Anyway can anyone counter Micheal Rivero's (well he's actually a antisemitic right wing conspiracy theorist) quote I posted (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2465498&postcount=14) above?

I seriously doubt that nuclear war will break out. Firstly, both sides are well aware that if one strikes with nuclear weapons first, the other will respond in kind. Secondly, it isn't even profitable for the bourgeoisie to destroy so much resources and labour-power and a protracted war is generally more profitable anyway.

[MotherCossack]

why does everyone keep going on about a war with Iran?
It seems to me to be a ridiculous idea!
unless, of course, one is bored, has run out of ideas for problems to discuss, and quite likes the idea of something exciting.......
seems a dangerous game to me...... and jesus christ cant we just stop spreading our shit around like it was bunches of flowers!