Modern day Posadists?

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Are there still Posadist organisations today? I have come across this site which has some of Juan Posadas' writing but it looks like the organisations are dead.

http://www.quatrieme-internationale-posadiste.org/

Also, are any of the Posadist's "New age" and UFO writings available online anywhere?

I'm serious, I don't mean this as a joke thread.

[Book O'Dead]

Are there still Posadist organisations today? I have come across this site which has some of Juan Posadas' writing but it looks like the organisations are dead.

http://www.quatrieme-internationale-posadiste.org/

Also, are any of the Posadist's "New age" and UFO writings available online anywhere?

I'm serious, I don't mean this as a joke thread.

Don't tell me, you're writing a Science Fiction romance with Gaddafi as the evil brain behind the alien abduction of Che Guevara from the mountains of Bolivia! Ingenious!

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Yeah, I'm having Sean Penn play Gerry Healey and I'm lookingfor someone to play a young Vanessa Redgrave.

Seriously though..anyone? There was a small ISO splinter in the US in the early 2000s which was Posadist. I am intrigued by them but as far as I can tell they seem to have folded

[Welshy]

Yeah, I'm having Sean Penn play Gerry Healey and I'm lookingfor someone to play a young Vanessa Redgrave.

Seriously though..anyone? There was a small ISO splinter in the US in the early 2000s which was Posadist. I am intrigued by them but as far as I can tell they seem to have folded


Which group is that?

[The Douche]

I would actually be interested in this as well.

[Hit The North]

I heard that they all got abducted by aliens. Even now, J. Posadis is getting anally probed by the representative of a race of alien beings from the Fourth Interstellar, who all look identical to Leon Trotsky and are controlled by a huge Dolphin Brain that orbits the fourth moon of Uranus.

Or that could just be propaganda put out by the Columbian secret service.

[Ilyich]

Which group is that?

I believe it's the Revolutionary Workers Party (Trotskyist-Posadist). They're the U.S. section of the Posadist Fourth International. I'll assume they have about 2-3 members.

[Ilyich]

Or, it could be Left Turn, a group which I just found on ETOL. According to ETOL, Alex Callinicos, and Wikipedia, it split from the ISO in 2001, the same year the ISO was expelled from the IST. Apparently, they initially shared the position of the IST but left the international in 2003 and since have altered their positions.

[Art Vandelay]

Is this the dude who was tortured until he went insane?

[A Marxist Historian]

Are there still Posadist organisations today? I have come across this site which has some of Juan Posadas' writing but it looks like the organisations are dead.

http://www.quatrieme-internationale-posadiste.org/

Also, are any of the Posadist's "New age" and UFO writings available online anywhere?

I'm serious, I don't mean this as a joke thread.

And of course everybody took it as a joke thread. Ridiculing Posadas is fun, fun, fun!

But Posadas's musings about UFO's never were "the line" of the Posadas organization, just Juan P's personal musings, which, it being a rather cultist organization, got wide publicity.

What Posadasism really was as a doctrine was the idea that the USSR ought to carry out a nuclear strike vs. the USA. A popular idea in Cuba, the Posadista stronghold until the Castro brothers locked them all up.

For letting the cat out of the bag basically, as that is what Guevara was for too, and even Fidel himself at one point during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

And that's why Posadism is gone. Because there is no USSR anymore, so it doesn't work.

And that's also why Posadas came up with his speculations about aliens and whatnot, as even he could figure out that there might not be much left of planet earth after an allout nuclear war.

-M.H.-

[Crux]

Socialism shall be built from the ashes of capitalism. The radioactive wasteland ashes. Really now when did that seem like a good idea? I understand there was a time when all out nuclear war was a very real possibility, but I have a hard time seeing why that would be seen as desireable, except perhaps by some ultraright fringe of the U.S military.

[Ilyich]

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[TheGodlessUtopian]

Lets get this thread back on track and loose the silly posts. Otherwise I will begin deleting off topic ones.

[Ilyich]

Yeah, sorry about that, I couldn't help but to think of Sterling Hayden's character when the notion of "some ultraright fringe of the U.S. military" which wants nuclear war was brought up, sorry.

[Geiseric]

I must be mixed up with Luis Posada, the anti castro terrorist...

[Luís Henrique]

There are a few guys here in Brasília that are remnants of Posadism. They don't care much about UFOs or nuclear weapons though. And other curious Posadist position - that of an alliance between the proletariat and the military, or the "progressist" wing of the military - doesn't seem to be important to them too. They mostly try to organise within the neighbourhood movements, and alternately ally with the left or with Articulação in the internal struggle of the PT.

Luís Henrique

[Ilyich]

If you want more information about Posadas and Posadism (without having to use the PFI's awful website), try Googling "posadas site:www.marxists.org." You'll get about eighty-nine results. I haven't looked through all of them myself but I'll assume they contain some useful information.

[A Marxist Historian]

Socialism shall be built from the ashes of capitalism. The radioactive wasteland ashes. Really now when did that seem like a good idea? I understand there was a time when all out nuclear war was a very real possibility, but I have a hard time seeing why that would be seen as desireable, except perhaps by some ultraright fringe of the U.S military.

The attitude was that it was inevitable anyway, so why not get it over with. Especially in Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

In fact the "Revolution/War" thesis of Michel Pablo in the early '50s the leader of the "official" FI, was not that far from that. And Posadas was the leader of the Pablo wing of international Trotskyism in Latin America in the '50s, till he split with Pablo and Mandel in the early '60s, issue being Cuba of course. Cuban Trotskyists had a lot of trouble accepting the idea that Castro was an "unconscious Trotskyist," especially since they were being jailed, so they went with Posadas.

They more or less capitulated after some jail time, Guevara, who sympathized with their nuclear line, got them out, and some of them were on his staff for a while. But when Guevara was sent to Bolivia and got killed, well... Posadas argued that Fidel set Guevara up, a political line that was not shall we say helpful for the Posadistas in Latin America.

-M.H.-