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KurtFF8
19th May 2012, 15:36
Source (http://news.yahoo.com/3-charged-terror-conspiracy-ahead-nato-100552153.html;_ylt=AoQefPJ1xEflXr19x4zs6hGs0NUE;_ ylu=X3oDMTNsNzM1ZWl1BG1pdANUb3BTdG9yeSBGUARwa2cDM2 Y4OTE0YTEtMGI0Zi0zMGYyLWI1MzQtMWNmYjQ5ZjFkMzNlBHBv cwMzBHNlYwN0b3Bfc3RvcnkEdmVyAzJiNWMzMDQwLWExYjUtMT FlMS1iZmY3LTk3Y2E3YjlhYmY5Ng--;_ylg=X3oDMTFlamZvM2ZlBGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRw c3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdAMEcHQDc2VjdGlvbnM-;_ylv=3)



CHICAGO (AP) — Three men arrested earlier this week when police raided a Chicago apartment were being held on terrorism conspiracy charges Saturday stemming from allegations that they tried to make Molotov cocktails ahead of the NATO summit, but the first major dress rehearsal of this weekend's large-scale protests was relatively peaceful.
Chicago police Lt. Kenneth Stoppa said the men face a bond hearing later Saturday on charges of conspiracy to commit terrorism, possession of an explosive or incendiary device and providing material support. Stoppa identified the men being held as Brian Church, 20, of Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.; Jared Chase, 24, of Keene, N.H.; and Brent Vincent Betterly, 24. A police spokesman gave Betterly's hometown as Oakland Park, Mass., but no such town exists. There is an Oakland Park, Fla., that is near Fort Lauderdale.
Their attorney, Sarah Gelsomino, told The Associated Press the men are "absolutely in shock and have no idea where these charges are coming from."
Six others also arrested Wednesday in the raid of the South Side apartment where they were staying were released Friday without charges being filed.
One of those protesters, Occupy activist Darrin Annussek of Philadelphia, denied there were Molotov cocktails in the apartment or that raw materials had been compiled to make them.
"No way," Annussek said. "If I had seen anything that even resembled (a Molotov cocktail), I would have left."
He claims that during 18 hours in custody, police never told him why he was arrested, read him his rights or allowed him to make a phone call. He said he remained handcuffed to a bench, even after asking to use a restroom.
"There were guards walking by making statements into the door along the lines of 'hippie,' 'communist," 'pinko,'" a tired-looking Annussek told reporters just after his release.
Stoppa declined to elaborate on the case beyond confirming the charges.
Security has been high throughout the city in preparation for the summit, where delegations from about 60 countries, including 50 heads of state, will discuss the war in Afghanistan and European missile defense.
Among the pre-NATO protests planned for Saturday was a march on the home of Mayor Rahm Emanuel. The big show will be on Sunday, the start of the two-day NATO summit, when thousands of protesters are expected to march 2 ½ miles from a band shell on Lake Michigan to the McCormick Place convention center, where delegates will be meeting.
On Friday, Chicago police on bicycles and foot tailed activists through the streets of the city, but ignored taunts and went out of their way to make as few arrests as possible. Protesters made a lot of noise and tried to evade police, but otherwise were relatively uneventful.
In all, police said there was a single arrest on a charge of aggravated battery of a police officer. Another man was briefly taken into custody, but he was released a short time later after being questioned by police, a department spokesman said.
Also, officers were seen trying to arrest a man who scaled a bridge tower and pulled down part of a NATO banner. Earlier, police handcuffed a man at the end of a noisy but largely peaceful rally organized by the nation's largest nurses union.
From the police side of the protest line, it went largely how Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy envisioned it earlier this month when he said, "We're not going to lock somebody up for dropping a banana peel."
Michael Olstewski, 22, a recent music school graduate who came to Chicago from Atlanta, one of hundreds of protesters who took to the streets on Friday for a spontaneous march, said protesters may be waiting to make a big statement. He said he didn't do anything to get arrested Friday, "but later in the week ... If I feel it's strategic and a powerful statement" he would provoke police into arresting him.
Nor were some protesters particularly surprised that police exhibited restraint even when they acted in ways that might have gotten them arrested — like the dozens of protesters who sat in the street for a short time before they got up and left after one of them, Micah Philbrook, grabbed a bullhorn and told them to leave.
In fact, at one point, on the bridge at Michigan Avenue, the gateway to the city's famed shopping district, the Magnificent Mile, the number of officers swelled and officers appeared to be poised to forcibly remove the protesters from the area. Instead, they simply waited while the protesters left on their own.
Observers said that police showed restraint during the day that included the sight of hundreds of protesters breaking away from a large rally, march through the streets and taunt police as well as shouting about everything from bank bailouts to nuclear power.
"I think the police are handling themselves very well," said Jennifer Lacy, a freelance videographer and editor from Chicago who took pictures of the spectacle with her cell phone. "It seems like they have it all organized, and it doesn't seem their tempers are going to be easily flared. I think they're mindful we're going to be on the world stage."
But Ben Meyer, a Chicago lawyer who was observing the protest for the National Lawyers' Guild, denounced what he called an excessive police presence at Friday's rally, which included dozens of officers milling through the crowd and lining the perimeter, some of whom were videotaping the rally.
"It's frustrating the state needs to come out and show this much force for a nurses' rally," he said. "They have everyone from the superintendent on down here. It's just ridiculous."
Members of National Nurses United were joined by members of the Occupy movement, unions and veterans at the rally, where they demanded a "Robin Hood" tax on banks' financial transactions. The event drew several thousand people and featured a performance by former Rage Against the Machine guitarist Tom Morello, an activist who has played at many Occupy events.
Deb Holmes, a nurse at a hospital in Worcester, Mass., said she was advocating for the tax but also protesting proposals to cut back nurses' pensions.
"We've worked 30 years for them and don't want to get rid of them," she said.
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Associated Press writers Don Babwin, Jason Keyser, Jim Suhr and Jeffrey McMurray contributed to this report.


An unnerving development (or usual tactic rather).


It's interesting that what is commonplace in places like Greece is considered a grand conspiracy in Chicago. Although considering the recent actions of the FBI over the past few years, it's likely that provocateurs/informants were the ones pushing for the use of weapons in the first place.

The Douche
19th May 2012, 15:56
One big thing we've got to start asking ourselves, is how did the pigs get this information.

Why did they claim these people were going to make molotovs, what sort of evidence did they present in order to get arrest warrants? How did they gather that evidence?


Remember that the state has the ability to activate the microphone and the gps on your cell phone, or the webcam/microphone of your computer. Remember that the state can and will bug your apartment, your car, and regular radical hangouts.

KurtFF8
19th May 2012, 16:11
One big thing we've got to start asking ourselves, is how did the pigs get this information.

Why did they claim these people were going to make molotovs, what sort of evidence did they present in order to get arrest warrants? How did they gather that evidence?


Remember that the state has the ability to activate the microphone and the gps on your cell phone, or the webcam/microphone of your computer. Remember that the state can and will bug your apartment, your car, and regular radical hangouts.

Which is why "security culture" is an important thing (something I kind of used to scoff at a few years ago unfortunately).

But on top of the very important points you bring up is the question of informants/infiltrators. This is of course also a part of security culture: the FBI has been known to infiltrate groups and attempt to push them towards violence to get arrests. Of course it's too early to know whether this has happened or not, but we have certainly already seen that the traditional "rights" were completley ignored here (for example, the lawyers were not told where the arrests were for 18 hours!).

Of course little of this is surprising, this is telling too:


"There were guards walking by making statements into the door along the lines of 'hippie,' 'communist," 'pinko,'" a tired-looking Annussek told reporters just after his release.

Tim Cornelis
19th May 2012, 16:16
A fair amount of paranoia ruins any good organisation.

The Douche
19th May 2012, 16:25
A fair amount of paranoia ruins any good organisation.

Security culture is not paranoia.


Leaving your cell phones inside and going into the backyard to discuss your plans/actions is security culture, not paranoia. Only engaging in illegal acts (and the planning/preparing for these acts) with close people who you've known for an extended period of time, and who's backgrounds you know is not paranoia, its good security culture. Not talking openly and publicly about illegal shit you plan to do/have done is not paranoia, its security culture.


If you're doing illegal shit, you probably shouldn't even be in any "organization" bigger than an affinity group.

And affinity groups, should really be based on just that, affinity, those involved should have some personal level of relationship, and affinity for each other.

Ocean Seal
19th May 2012, 16:29
For a second I thought that three NATO members had been arrested.


One big thing we've got to start asking ourselves, is how did the pigs get this information.

Why did they claim these people were going to make molotovs, what sort of evidence did they present in order to get arrest warrants? How did they gather that evidence?


Remember that the state has the ability to activate the microphone and the gps on your cell phone, or the webcam/microphone of your computer. Remember that the state can and will bug your apartment, your car, and regular radical hangouts.
How can they activate your computers webcam? Unless you are using the internet? Is there any way to find out if they've done so?


A fair amount of paranoia ruins any good organisation.
There is no such thing as a paranoid leftist.

marl
19th May 2012, 16:29
I think the OP forgot to mention that these comrades uploaded a video of police misconduct a week ago.

TudIyxxAboA

Also, it's reasonable to believe the evidence against them was fabricated (e.g. a beer brewing kit was cited as material, so beer brewing makes them terrorists). A warrant was never presented, either.




National Lawyers Guild Decries Terrorism Charges Against Occupy Activists protesting NATO Summit
Preemptive raids, terrorism and conspiracy charges are common characteristics of National Special Security Events
Chicago, IL -- After holding NATO protesters for up to 48 hours, and releasing 6 out of 9 arrestees without any charges, the City of Chicago filed state charges last night against 3 Occupy activists from Florida, including possession of explosives or incendiary devices, material support for terrorism, and conspiracy. On Wednesday night at approximately 11:30pm, police raided a house in the Bridgeport neighborhood, detained several people in multiple apartments, and arrested 9 activists. Police broke down doors with guns drawn and searched residences without a warrant or consent.
"The National Lawyers Guild deplores the charges against Occupy activists in the strongest degree," said Sarah Gelsomino with the NLG and the People's Law Office. "It's outrageous for the city to apply terrorism charges when it's the police who have been terrorizing activists and threatening their right to protest."

NLG attorneys are questioning why it took the city 48 hours, the limit on holding arrestees without a court hearing, to impose such serious charges. Although some accusations of Molotov cocktails have been made by police, they have provided no evidence of criminal intent or wrongdoing on the part of the activists. On Thursday, when asked about the raid at a press conference, Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy knew so little about the alleged terrorism investigation that he said he would have to gather further information before commenting.

The 3 activists charged are Jared Chase, Brent Beterly, and Brian Jacob Church. Last week, all three defendants were surrounded by several police squad cars outside of a CVS, detained for no apparent reason and asked questions about why they were in Chicago and what they planned to do during the NATO summit. One of the defendants recorded the encounter and posted an edited version on YouTube. When Superintendent McCarthy questioned the validity of the footage in the media, the entire video was quickly posted.

More than 20 people have been arrested so far in the lead up to the NATO summit, which begins tomorrow. At least 3 arrestees in addition to the ones charged tonight are still in custody. "Preemptive raids meant to intimidate and stifle dissent are all too common during National Special Security Events, such as the NATO summit," said Gelsomino.

NLG attorneys will be representing the 3 defendants in their criminal cases and will be at their bond hearing tomorrow at 12pm at 2600 South California Ave.

# # #


National Lawyers Guild Decries Terrorism Charges Against Occupy Activists protesting NATO Summit (http://www.facebook.com/notes/occupy-chicago-press-relations/national-lawyers-guild-decries-terrorism-charges-against-occupy-activists-protes/355584254504742)

The Douche
19th May 2012, 16:36
How can they activate your computers webcam? Unless you are using the internet? Is there any way to find out if they've done so

Pretty sure you have to be connected to the internet. I'm not sure if there is a way of detecting it. I am not the most tech-savy person.


A warrant was never presented, either.

No warrant for arrest? That doesn't make sense, I believe that there may not have been a search warrant, but no arrest warrant? I don't think the state would fuck up that bad, it would be to easy for the individuals to get off.

marl
19th May 2012, 16:39
No warrant for arrest? That doesn't make sense, I believe that there may not have been a search warrant, but no arrest warrant? I don't think the state would fuck up that bad, it would be to easy for the individuals to get off.

Indeed, there was no search warrant. They had their homes looted by the state, and one of the 3 was actually arrested outside his home (at a pharmacy).

KurtFF8
19th May 2012, 19:59
Three Nato protesters planned Obama campaign HQ attack, prosecutors say (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/19/nato-protesters-terrorism-charges-bail?newsfeed=true)



From that article:

Defence attorneys maintain men fell victim to police entrapment scheme involving purchase of Molotov cocktail equipment

The Douche
19th May 2012, 22:31
Molotov equipment, aka empty beer bottles and gas for your lawn mower or moped.

Os Cangaceiros
21st May 2012, 10:20
^hahaha, yeah, this "case" is so fucking stupid


Three men arrested earlier this week when police raided a Chicago apartment were being held on terrorism conspiracy charges Saturday stemming from allegations that they tried to make Molotov cocktails ahead of the NATO summit

Tried to make molotov cocktails? WTF? You either make a fucking molotov cocktail or you don't, it's like the easiest thing in the world to make.

Os Cangaceiros
21st May 2012, 10:25
How to execute a terrorist conspiracy:

1) go to a gas station, buy a beer in a bottle and drink the entire thing
2) fill a jug of gasoline

total time of completion of terrorist plot: approx. 2 minutes

Art Vandelay
22nd May 2012, 06:32
I talked to a woman who was arrested when the apartment was raided this weekend, I heard her say that they were all kept in solitary confinement for 16 hours and that she had been strip searched in a room with five male cops watching. Then released without being charged. The people who rented the apartment have been forced from their home as well.

Vladimir Innit Lenin
22nd May 2012, 22:45
Remember that the state has the ability to activate the microphone and the gps on your cell phone, or the webcam/microphone of your computer. Remember that the state can and will bug your apartment, your car, and regular radical hangouts.

Of the last part i've no doubt, but the emboldened? Really? I'm not against security culture per se, but that seems a bit umm, paranoid. I've read some stuff claiming what you're saying, but never seen any evidence to believe it's true...

Trap Queen Voxxy
22nd May 2012, 22:51
A fair amount of paranoia ruins any good organisation.

Total paranoia is total awareness in my opinion. I would say if some new comer comes to X organization and starts pushing things in a more radical direction than previously intended and there is cause for suspicion, comrades should set back and let X person do everything, don't get involved, let them take a main role because eventually they'll hit a wall they can't cross because their government handlers have rules for them which they must follow and thus they will be exposed. To me it's a simple process of critical thinking and suspicion.

The Douche
23rd May 2012, 13:50
Of the last part i've no doubt, but the emboldened? Really? I'm not against security culture per se, but that seems a bit umm, paranoid. I've read some stuff claiming what you're saying, but never seen any evidence to believe it's true...

You don't believe that it is possible to hack smart phones?

bcbm
24th May 2012, 17:15
Of the last part i've no doubt, but the emboldened? Really? I'm not against security culture per se, but that seems a bit umm, paranoid. I've read some stuff claiming what you're saying, but never seen any evidence to believe it's true...

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1029-6140191.html

Os Cangaceiros
28th May 2012, 22:18
yeah, pretty much any means of two-way electronic communication is a liability.

And that's just the FBI. You don't even want to know about the NSA's capabilities...

Agathor
29th May 2012, 01:08
One big thing we've got to start asking ourselves, is how did the pigs get this information.

Why did they claim these people were going to make molotovs, what sort of evidence did they present in order to get arrest warrants? How did they gather that evidence?


Remember that the state has the ability to activate the microphone and the gps on your cell phone, or the webcam/microphone of your computer. Remember that the state can and will bug your apartment, your car, and regular radical hangouts.

Or that FBI informers have occupied influential positions in every activist group in history?

I'm sceptical of the charges. Stuff like this happens before big protests all the time, and the charges quietly disappear soon afterwards. Although If they really did try to make molotovs then they are fucktards.

Os Cangaceiros
29th May 2012, 02:48
Yes, this is definitely the work of informants.

Maybe anarchist groups (which are involved in potentially illegal activity) should do what 1% motorcycle gangs used to do to prevent informants from infiltrating their groups: force new inductees to commit a felony, preferably a violent one, in the presence of older members.

Of course, that doesn't solve the problem of members deciding to give evidence to the police anyway.