Quebec fascist protest law in the making

[danyboy27]

The charest liberal governement is currently voting on the special law 78 to squash studient protest..well protest in general.

Under the new law any group over 25 people who want to protest must call the cops 8 hours in advance and give them the itinerary.
Cops can decide to change the course or to simply cancel the whole thing at will.

Anyone who discuss or publicize public disobedience can and will be fined up to 10 000 dollars.

Studients will no longer be able to protest in front of their school and anyone who participate in interfering with the normal course of the schools will be fined ten of thousand of dollars. If the person belong to a studient union this union will be fined hundred of thousand of dollars.

Mandatory membership to a studient union will no longer be necessary.

Teacher cannot take any kind of action to delay or stop a school course or activiy or they will be fined or fired.

Teacher union have the responsability of every civil disobedience of their member and will be fined accordingly.

I am missing a lot of stuff but that pretty much it.

Its fascist and disgusting.

[Per Levy]

wouldnt be a law like this against the constitution or something? i mean this law will make demonstrations almost impossible(i know politicians and ruling class dont care much about a constituion if its in their way). also will this pass? or is there much opposition against it?

[NewLeft]

Fuck the liberal party, can't wait for the party to cease to exist! :cursing: More protests and refuse to pay the fine!

[danyboy27]

wouldnt be a law like this against the constitution or something? i mean this law will make demonstrations almost impossible(i know politicians and ruling class dont care much about a constituion if its in their way). also will this pass? or is there much opposition against it?

a LOT of lawmaker are on the case right now, i dont think its constitutional at all.

Any people wearing visible symbol or who encourage people to anyone to disobey this law will be fined, that mean all those folks who are wearing the red square in sign of support for the studients will be fined.

But of course what this stupid authoritarian dosnt realize is how much cops will be needed to enforce it, they dont even care about people talking on cellphone anymore, how do you want them to enforce something even more common than talking on cellphone?

[REDSOX]

This is Totalitarianism pure and simple and reveals the true face of the bourgeois class. Fight it, stand up to it, defy it. Fuck the bourgeoisie and fuck their laws

[Art Vandelay]

I heard that wearing any sorts of masks at protests has been banned in Quebec as well.

[danyboy27]

I heard that wearing any sorts of masks at protests has been banned in Quebec as well.

yea we got that in montreal and in Quebec city.
Quebec city just voted a law prohibiting people to go in the park past 23:00 and setting up a tent in Quebec city is now illegal.

Welcome to a brave new world.

[Tim Cornelis]

Authoritarian measures =/= fascism

EDIT:

Also this does not qualify as "totalitarian" by any means, unlike what REDSOX claims. A totalitarian state is only when the state controls all aspects of life rigidly.

[danyboy27]

Authoritarian measures =/= fascism

EDIT:

Also this does not qualify as "totalitarian" by any means, unlike what REDSOX claims. A totalitarian state is only when the state controls all aspects of life rigidly.

Please forgive me for using that word loosely.
I am fully aware of the difference between a fascist and an authoritarian state, i am just fucking angry.

[Le Penseur Libre]

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/357492/quebec-education-special-law.pdf

[danyboy27]

http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/357492/quebec-education-special-law.pdf

This is not the final version of the law.

They replaced the 10 person limitation to warn the cops, the current number is 50.

[Le Penseur Libre]

This is not the final version of the law.

They replaced the 10 person limitation to warn the cops, the current number is 50.

Yeah, 10 person haha i dont know how they came with that idea...

[danyboy27]

Yeah, 10 person haha i dont know how they came with that idea...

Well i watched the debate about this on the national assembly tv channel and apparently it was originally designed to allow the cops to apply the law faster.

Beyond 50 people it would be verry hard for the cops to know exactly how many protester there is outside.

[Bandito]

We have that law in Serbia for many years. Worked great so far:

http://www.ivandjurdjevac.me/slike/5oktobar/05.jpg

[Le Penseur Libre]

We have that law in Serbia for many years. Worked great so far:

http://www.ivandjurdjevac.me/slike/5oktobar/05.jpg

looool are they applying it?

[danyboy27]

well, that the problem with that kind of stupid law. Unless you call in the national guard or posses a security apparatus has big has an army you cant freaking enforce such thing, and if you do shit are gonna go to hell.

Btw i expect the charest governement to either wait for the movement to die (would be surprising especially if you consider that its growing)or ask to the cops to fully enforce the law like any good police state would and fine everyone, and arrest the rest.

When its gonna happen the breaking point of the conflict will be reached and either the governement or the studient movement will bend to the pressure.

By implementing that special law the governement lost a lot of option for their next move, Charest is playing poker and he might loose this one.

[wsg1991]

well the first reaction is threat speech , the second is law will be applied speech , then i am sorry and i understand now speech , that how Ben ali ( EX Tunisian dictator ) did , ( also Mubarak , don't expect much difference , and respect to my colleges students in Canada

[danyboy27]

well the first reaction is threat speech , the second is law will be applied speech , then i am sorry and i understand now speech , that how Ben ali ( EX Tunisian dictator ) did , ( also Mubarak , don't expect much difference , and respect to my colleges students in Canada

Its gonna be somehow different tho. The police apparatus of the province of Quebec is a joke, there is no way they can control everything with the small police force we have, and i dont see Harper allowing the reserve doing anything to help Charest (the reserve forces are not under the control of the province.)

Lets crunch some number:
A province of 8 millions peoples.
7000 provincial police officers.
4000 municipal cops for the montreal area.
700 for Quebec city.
2000 federal cops from the mounties.

Compared to Mubarak or ben ali huuge security force, this is verry small potatoes.

In some case in montreal the provincial cops had to take over some shifts beccause the local cops where just too fucking exausted.

The current police force in the province of Quebec is ill equiped to deal with all that, they dont have the manpower, temporary holding cell or the structure to deal with the situation, and they know it.

Hell, all this cops overtime is probably bleeding dry the discretionary budget they have to deal with emergency situations.

[Luís Henrique]

looool are they applying it?

Indeed.

If the Québécois State has the strenght to enforce it, then Québec is on the way to become a dictatorship - or at least a State under permanent state of siege.

But I doubt they have. If not repealed by courts, which looks likely, it will remain unenforceable.

Anyway interesting to see what kind of liberalism the "Liberal" party adheres to...

Luís Henrique

[Luís Henrique]

In some case in montreal the provincial cops had to take over some shifts beccause the local cops where just too fucking exausted.

If they aren't careful, they may get a police strike instead of the quelling of the students' movement.

Luís Henrique

[jake williams]

Its gonna be somehow different tho. The police apparatus of the province of Quebec is a joke, there is no way they can control everything with the small police force we have, and i dont see Harper allowing the reserve doing anything to help Charest (the reserve forces are not under the control of the province.)

Lets crunch some number:
A province of 8 millions peoples.
7000 provincial police officers.
4000 municipal cops for the montreal area.
700 for Quebec city.
2000 federal cops from the mounties.

Compared to Mubarak or ben ali huuge security force, this is verry small potatoes.

In some case in montreal the provincial cops had to take over some shifts beccause the local cops where just too fucking exausted.

The current police force in the province of Quebec is ill equiped to deal with all that, they dont have the manpower, temporary holding cell or the structure to deal with the situation, and they know it.

Hell, all this cops overtime is probably bleeding dry the discretionary budget they have to deal with emergency situations.
I'll add that the number of riot police number a very few hundred in all of Quebec, and the non-riot police can't really do much but swing batons.

[blake 3:17]

I posted this is in another thread, but think it may be useful for folks participating in the actions in Montreal. I got this from a member of the legal team of the CLASSE


Information on contesting tickets
POSTED 24 MAY 2012
Information for anyone wishing to contest a ticket in relation to demonstrations in Montreal – from lawyer Denis Poitras:
1) Contest your ticket by signing it, indicating the date and checking “not guilty”. Don’t write anything else, no explanations, don’t indicate a motive (this will help better prepare any legal proceedings).
2) Scan your ticket and email it to [email protected] with a phone number you can be reached at as well as your version of the facts. If you don’t have access to a scanner, you can fax it to 514-289-1729.
3) Mail it to the Municipal Court.
4) Don’t publish your version of the facts elsewhere!
You should hear back from the Municipal Court within 6 months, possibly more. We will create a private listserv for all the accused in order to organize a joint trial, examine different possibilities in terms of legal defense, funding options, etc.

Source: http://ssmu.mcgill.ca/tuitiontruth/

[danyboy27]

Its official: this law is bullshit and the cops are now unwilling and unable to apply it.

Montreal protest dont even give their itinerary anymore, and the cops dont arrest anyone.

Quebec city give an itinerary but only 2 min before the manifestation, the law say we must give a 8 hours notice before protesting, something we dont do.

So there you have it: a shitload of illegal protest that the cops cannot enforce beccause of their sheer numbers.

Sometimes i really wonder if there is any real lawyer working for the liberal party, anyone who devised such law was definitively drunk.

[Luís Henrique]

Its official: this law is bullshit and the cops are now unwilling and unable to apply it.

Montreal protest dont even give their itinerary anymore, and the cops dont arrest anyone.

Quebec city give an itinerary but only 2 min before the manifestation, the law say we must give a 8 hours notice before protesting, something we dont do.

So there you have it: a shitload of illegal protest that the cops cannot enforce beccause of their sheer numbers.

Excellent; it always rocks to see stupid legislation being repealed in practice.


Sometimes i really wonder if there is any real lawyer working for the liberal party, anyone who devised such law was definitively drunk.

Or thought the demagoguery effect was worth the pain.

Luís Henrique

[danyboy27]

2 protests scheduled for today in Quebec city!

A scheduled, legal one at 1PM at the jardin St-rock to protest against the charest governement in general, open to all, kids, adults, families, everyone is invited.

THere will also be the usual illegal protest that will start in front of the national assembly at 8 PM, there will be a vote to decide if we give the itinerary to the cops or not, but given to what happened in montreal for the last two day, the issues isnt really about cops arresting people but more about ensuring the safety of the more vulnerable peoples in the crowd such has elderly and kids. Without cops blocking the road there is always a risk that a fucking moron with his car who is late for some stupid appointement decide like it happened yesterday in montreal to run over a protester.

There are some protester who are mad that we do give our itinerary, but personally i dont see what is their fucking problem, we outright violate the law according to the bill 78 either way and there is very little chances that they will arrest a shitload of people like they did last week anyway.

Its a good thing that we give them the itinerary at 2 min notice, it mean the cops will have to run like hell over the city to block the street and send their riot squad waiting in parking lots for hours.

if we wouldnt give them the itinerary they would just send a fews unit fallowing us instead of being forced to dispatch the bulk of their forces blocking streets.

Its currently draining the morale of the police force while creating a crazy bureaucratic mess.

[SirBrendan]

My favourite part of the entire story is that the cost of all the police overtime actually already significantly outweighs the projected cost of having just kept the tuition freeze in place.

There is nothing better than watching conservative logic in motion, where making sure we don't waste money on the populace is more important than not wasting money ensuring we do not waste money on the populace. It's the welfare fraud dept. of law enforcement. Take that, freeloaders!:laugh:

[danyboy27]

My favourite part of the entire story is that the cost of all the police overtime actually already significantly outweighs the projected cost of having just kept the tuition freeze in place.

There is nothing better than watching conservative logic in motion, where making sure we don't waste money on the populace is more important than not wasting money ensuring we do not waste money on the populace. It's the welfare fraud dept. of law enforcement. Take that, freeloaders!:laugh:

LOl well said bro.

current cost of the whole thing to the police, small shop etc etc: 200 millions.
Cost of the tuition cost 300 millions.