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Robespierres Neck
18th May 2012, 02:33
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"The Hague, Netherlands (CNN) -- Ratko Mladic, who is accused of orchestrating a horrific campaign of ethnic cleansing during the bloody civil war that ripped apart Yugoslavia, showed no remorse as his war crimes trial opened Wednesday, at one point even appearing to threaten victims in the court. The former general drew his hand across his neck as if cutting a throat while staring at victims of the war that introduced the phrase "ethnic cleansing."
At other times, the man accused of being "the Butcher of Bosnia" stared at them, fire in his eyes, and he once growled at the survivors.
The 70-year-old former Bosnian Serb general has been indicted on 11 counts of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity in the 1992-95 war.
His trial is taking place at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia in The Hague, Netherlands, a special court established to try those responsible for atrocities during the war.
Prosecutors say Mladic's campaign included the massacre of 8,000 Muslims in the Bosnian town of Srebrenica.
On Wednesday, prosecutor Dermot Groome laid out details of the case against Mladic, saying that ethnic cleansing was not a byproduct of the war, but a specific aim of the Bosnian Serb leadership.
He will set out to show that Mladic was directly responsible for atrocities carried out by his forces, who were fighting for control of land in ethnically mixed Bosnia.
Sexual violence was a weapon of war, Groome said, describing a woman who said she had been raped more than 50 times, and women who were forced by Bosnian Serb forces to perform sex acts on members of their own families.
Prosecutors will use survivor testimonies and video clips to make their case at a trial that is likely to last for months or years.
Among those in the courtroom were the families of Srebrenica victims.
"Victims have waited nearly two decades to see Ratko Mladic in the dock," Param-Preet Singh, senior counsel in the International Justice Program at Human Rights Watch, said ahead of the trial. "His trial should lay to rest the notion that those accused of atrocity crimes can run out the clock on justice."
2011: Ratko Mladic captured (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/05/27/shubert.serbia.mladic.arrest.cnn)
Mladic's trial begins after a landmark war crimes ruling last month, when another international tribunal found former Liberian President Charles Taylor guilty of aiding and abetting war crimes in neighboring Sierra Leone's notoriously brutal civil war.
Taylor got a final chance to address his court Wednesday as Mladic's trial opened, and he said he was "saddened" by a verdict that he portrayed as unfair.
"Both trials are evidence of the growing international trend to hold perpetrators of atrocities to account, no matter how senior their position," Human Rights Watch said.
Mladic eluded authorities for nearly 16 years until his capture in May 2011, when police burst into the garden of a small house in northern Serbia.
Europe's highest-ranking war crimes suspect was discovered standing against a wall in a utility room normally used for storing farm equipment, according to a government minister.
Though he was carrying two handguns, he surrendered without a fight. He was extradited for trial in the Netherlands.
But from day one in custody, he has exhibited defiance and appears not to have relinquished his visceral antagonism toward his enemies. Before the trial that started Wednesday, he also drew a finger across his throat in court, a gesture aimed at some of the Srebrenica widows. At other times, he disrupted proceedings by putting on a hat in the courtroom and refusing to enter a plea.
He has sought delays in his trial and said he is in failing health.
In July 1995, Mladic was in command of the Bosnian Serb army and led his soldiers into the town of Srebrenica. In the days that followed, the soldiers systematically slaughtered nearly 8,000 Muslim men and boys.
Bosnia peace negotiator Richard Holbrooke once described Mladic as "one of those lethal combinations that history thrusts up occasionally -- a charismatic murderer."
In the three decades leading up to the violent splintering of Yugoslavia, Mladic rose rapidly through the ranks of the Yugoslav army. In 1991, he served as a front-line commander spearheading Serb forces in a yearlong war with Croatia.
By the time he took to Bosnia's battlefields, he had become a hero to many Serbs, seen as a defender of their dwindling fortunes.
In May 1992, Bosnia's Serbian political leaders picked him to lead the assault on their Muslim enemies who clamored for independence.
Robertson: Bosnia's future is tied to justice (http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/16/world/europe/robertson-mladic-justic/index.html)
Mladic wasted no time galvanizing his heavily armed forces in a siege of Sarajevo, cutting the city off from the outside world. Serb forces pounded the city every day from higher ground positions, trapping Sarajevo's ill-prepared residents in the valley below. More than 10,000 people, mostly civilians, perished.
Some observers conjured images of Sarajevo in describing Syrian attacks on the besieged city of Homs earlier this year.
As the war ended in the fall of 1995, Mladic went on the run.
Shortly after Mladic was sent to The Hague last year, authorities nabbed former Croatian Serb rebel leader Goran Hadzic. He was the last Yugoslav war crimes suspect at large.
Bosnian Serb wartime leader Radovan Karadzic was arrested in 2008. And Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic was arrested in 2001 but died before his trial could be completed."


http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/16/world/europe/netherlands-mladic-trial/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Prometeo liberado
18th May 2012, 02:55
Where do you start with these people? He's already been convicted, the rest is just window dressing. Whats worse, the large scale show trials run by the imperialist countries o the mini trials and executions blamed on the suspect?

Os Cangaceiros
18th May 2012, 03:17
That guy was a total turd, he embodied all the worst aspects of ultra-nationalism that emerged after the disintergration of fYugoslavia's military (after Slovenia left the union). A military force that became more-or-less a tool for Serbian nationalists to brutalize their opponents. At least, that's what I remember from books I read on the topic, a while back.

Not to say that Serbs were the only villains in that sorry historical episode, far from it. People like Mladic and Karadzic pretty much just deserve to be shot, though. I'm usually not a big fan of capital punishment, esp. by the bourgeois state, but...

also:


As the war ended in the fall of 1995, Mladic went on the run.

lol "on the run". He was "on the run" like bin Laden was. c'mon, he was chilling with his homeboys in Serbia the entire time, Serbia's ruling class knew where that motherfucker was, it was no secret.

The Young Pioneer
18th May 2012, 04:05
Which reminds me, whatever happened with the Draža Mihailović rehabilitation attempt? I thought they were supposed to decide things on 11 May but never found any news on it...

Sir Comradical
18th May 2012, 23:05
There can be no justice when one of the main belligerents, in this case the United States, refuses to accept that the ICJ, let alone the ICTY, has any jurisdiction over it. The ICTY was originally set up through U.S. influence under the auspices of the Security Council which is majority NATO anyway, plus its entire funding comes from NATO.

I'm also curious to know what the Yugoslavs here think about the justice being meted out by the ICTY to the Yugoslav leaders in the war. Naser Oric for example was acquitted after seving two years even though:


"The town of Srebrenica was initially taken by the Serbs in April 1992, but the ruthless Muslim commander Naser Oric regained control over the town itself and proceeded to take-over the whole surrounding dis- trict and more than half of the neighbouring district of Bratunac. By December 1992, Oric and his forces had “conquered and ethnically cleansed a vast area,”5 linking up with Zepa and Cerska. In the process they killed, in the most bestial fashion, over 1,300 Serbian men, women and children. By the end of the war, over 3,000 Serbs had been killed by Muslim forces in the Srebrenica area." - Tim Fenton


"Naser Oric was a warlord who reigned by terror in this area and over the population itself,” General Phillippe Morillon testified at the Hague Tribunal. “He could not allow himself to take prisoners. According to my recollection, he didn’t even look for an excuse.” Oric’s forces were responsible for an estimated 1,200 Serb deaths in the Srebrenica area through March 1993, according to a report submitted to the United Nations by the Yugoslav State Commission on War Crimes in June 1993; the Serb historian Milivoje Ivanisevic estimates a total of 3,287 Serb deaths in the same area through the end of the war in late 1995. Yet, despite extensive evidence of Oric’s direct participation in such atrocities, the U.S. State Department, the UN, and major news organ- izations were largely silent on these crimes. UN Security Council reso- lutions to condemn abuses by Muslim forces or Croatian forces were routinely thwarted by threatened veto from Madeleine Albright. The report on Oric was submitted to the UN Commission of Experts on War Crimes, whose chairman M. Cherif Bassiouni had been appointed by Ambassador Albright, but Oric was not even mentioned in the final report of the Commission.37 When the ICTY finally got around to in- dicting Naser Oric on March 28, 2003, very possibly to create the image of judicial balance, he was only charged with relatively minor counts related to a few deaths, the mistreatment of prisoners, the destruction of physical property, and, above all, his failure to restrain the soldiers serving under his command." - Edward Herman (Chomsky's collaborator in Manufacturing Consent)

RebelDog
19th May 2012, 12:37
There can be no justice when one of the main belligerents, in this case the United States, refuses to accept that the ICJ

Courts are of little importance to those who rule by unprecedented force and brutallity. Nicaraguans understand that more than most people.

brigadista
19th May 2012, 12:46
the ICJ has no legitimacy looking at who is on trial although i am not saying that Ratko Mladic is not responsible for atrocities- however its largely the "African Court" and not really proportionately prosecuting -


I agree with Rebeldog above

ridethejetski
19th May 2012, 14:16
There can be no justice when one of the main belligerents, in this case the United States, refuses to accept that the ICJ, let alone the ICTY, has any jurisdiction over it. The ICTY was originally set up through U.S. influence under the auspices of the Security Council which is majority NATO anyway, plus its entire funding comes from NATO.

I'm also curious to know what the Yugoslavs here think about the justice being meted out by the ICTY to the Yugoslav leaders in the war. Naser Oric for example was acquitted after seving two years even though:

Of course no one could deny crime and atrocities were committed by the Bosnian Muslims, but the scale and actual organisation was a lot less than what the Bosnian Serb and former Yugoslav Army did.

Quoting Edward Herman's views on the destruction of Yugoslavia is ridiculous, the man has no credibility.

Robespierres Neck
19th May 2012, 23:14
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When the correct form was finally submitted on the morning of 11 July, the planes had returned to Italy to refuel. As the Dutch had reneged on the promise of strikes, about 20,000 refugees – in complete panic – fled to the main base at Potocari. Only about 5,000 were granted entry by the soldiers.
Two Dutch F-16 fighters dropped two bombs on Serb positions later that day but they were met with threats of killing the hostages. Further strikes were suspended.
Eventually, Mladic entered Srebrenica to hold a meeting with Karremans. A deal was made to allow for the release of hostages. During the messy negotiations, those 5,000 Muslim refugees were promised to the Bosnian Serbs. The Dutch say they were assured of the Bosniaks’ safety once their weapons were handed over.
Later that day, Mladic’s triumphant walk through the town was captured by Serbian cameramen. He is seen here being congratulated by his men and barking orders to take down flags and signage belonging to the Bosnian Muslims. He is also heard directing his men to go straight to Potocari. Meanwhile, several thousand refugees awaited their tragic fate in that town.
On 12 July 1995, the segregation of the Muslim population of the area began. Women and children were bussed out to other Muslim territories while men and teenage boys were kept for “interrogation for suspected war crimes”.
Summary executions of men began and houses were set on fire at random by Serbian troops, according to witnesses. Others who tried to escape through the mountains were shelled as they fled.
About 23,000 women and children were deported over the next 30 hours. Most never saw their husbands, fathers, brothers and sons again. Witnesses also reported beatings and multiple rapes of those who were expelled."


www.thejournal.ie/ratko-mladic-trial-what-happened-in-srebrenica-454245-May2012/ (http://www.revleft.com/vb/www.thejournal.ie/ratko-mladic-trial-what-happened-in-srebrenica-454245-May2012/)

What this article failed to mention was before Mladic took the Muslims out of their "safe area" at the base, his soldiers were giving the children candy, the elderly bread, ect., to show how "thoughtful" they were. Like luring in your prey with artificial trust.

Omsk
19th May 2012, 23:51
Yugoslav Army did.

If you are talking about this in the context of Bosnia,you are wrong.The JNA left Bosnia on the 20th of May 1992, shortly after the war began.

Again,the "numbers" discussion is pointless,every side was responsible for war crimes,and to clash over such things is just helping the nationalists.

Sir Comradical
19th May 2012, 23:57
Of course no one could deny crime and atrocities were committed by the Bosnian Muslims, but the scale and actual organisation was a lot less than what the Bosnian Serb and former Yugoslav Army did.

Quoting Edward Herman's views on the destruction of Yugoslavia is ridiculous, the man has no credibility.

Herman was mentioning Naser Oric's crimes. Is he wrong?

kashkin
20th May 2012, 05:04
I'm happy this asshole is finally being convicted, but where are the Croatian, Albanian and Bosnian war criminals on trial?

The Young Pioneer
27th May 2012, 00:17
I'm happy this asshole is finally being convicted, but where are the Croatian, Albanian and Bosnian war criminals on trial?


Vladimir Šantić sentenced to 18 years
Ivica Rajić 12 years
Mladen Naletilić Tuta 20 years
Vinko Martinović 18 years
Dario Kordić 25 years
Drago Josipović 12 years
Mario Čerkez 6 years
Miroslav Bralo 20 years
Tihomir Blaškić 9 years
Zlatko Aleksovski 7 years
Esad Landžo 15 years
Hazim Delić 18 years
Ante Gotovina 24 years
Mladen Markač 18 years

...to name a few. That is not the entire list, obviously.

Trap Queen Voxxy
27th May 2012, 00:29
Hang the bastard with his intestines and be done with it.

Yugo45
27th May 2012, 00:36
I'm also curious to know what the Yugoslavs here think about the justice being meted out by the ICTY to the Yugoslav leaders in the war. Naser Oric for example was acquitted after seving two years even though.

There's certainly no real justice in ICTY, but I'm happy at least some scumbags get what they deserve.


If you are talking about this in the context of Bosnia,you are wrong.The JNA left Bosnia on the 20th of May 1992, shortly after the war began.

Army of Republika Srpska was a "successor" to JNA. While JNA officially did leave Bosnia after indenpendence was declared, most of the equipment, soldiers, etc. were left to army of Republika Srpska.

Sir Comradical
27th May 2012, 07:00
Wrt the Bosnian war, is it fair to say that VRS were responsible for most of the bloodshed?

Yugo45
27th May 2012, 09:20
Wrt the Bosnian war, is it fair to say that VRS were responsible for most of the bloodshed?

Not all, but most of it.

Omsk
27th May 2012, 10:29
Army of Republika Srpska was a "successor" to JNA. While JNA officially did leave Bosnia after indenpendence was declared, most of the equipment, soldiers, etc. were left to army of Republika Srpska.

Yes, but the JNA did not take part in the event's after they left the country, nominaly. I'm just pedantic.