Neonazism.... in Poland?!

[Zostrianos]

I've seen a few news stories and articles about Neonazism and racism taking hold in Poland (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/skins-poland.html), and I'm perplexed - I mean, the Nazis terrorized and enslaved the Poles like no other nation on earth, and yet there are Polish nationalists who subscribe to this ideology. Don't people know their history? Anyway, I was just wondering what the deal is, it makes no sense whatsoever.

[MustCrushCapitalism]

You think that's weird... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Israel)
(go down to Israel)

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Some people are just stupid.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Nazism never makes sense.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

You think that's weird... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism#Israel)
(go down to Israel)


lol

What's next? A Black KKK?

[Comrade-Z]

Nazism never makes sense.

Just like stormfront's "White pride worldwide" slogan. Nationalist internationalism???

[Sputnik_1]

I've seen a few news stories and articles about Neonazism and racism taking hold in Poland (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/skins-poland.html), and I'm perplexed - I mean, the Nazis terrorized and enslaved the Poles like no other nation on earth, and yet there are Polish nationalists who subscribe to this ideology. Don't people know their history? Anyway, I was just wondering what the deal is, it makes no sense whatsoever.

Tell me about it :( I'm polish and based on my personal experience I can say that it is pretty dodgy. I've never met so much hostility towards communism anywhere else. Well, unfortunately the way the polish people see communism is mainly the "stalinist way". Hard to blame them for trying to keep away from it. A bit more awareness wouldn't hurt anyone.

[Bronco]

Yeah it's pretty dumb, I remember Ross Kemp did a program on Polish Neo-Nazi's, he asked one of them what his view was on the fact that Poland was home to so many concentration camps during the war and his answer was "they should have built more of them"

[Yugo45]

Nazism has been popular in all Slavic countries, including Poland, since the "fall of the iron curtain".

I know it makes no sense, but most things about nazis don't.

[Omsk]

Actually it does make sense. The Nazis are using the history of the Polish bourgeois state to try and lure people with the old "Horrible, vile Eastern hordes of Volga will slaughter us if we don't stay as a united nation!" and the "Germans will destroy us like they did in the past if we don't stand as one" . It's called scare tactics,and it's really effective. Because,it's quite easy to lure people with imaginary 'Evil people who want to take your jobs/lives'. The same thing is going on in the Balkans,where Nazis are strong despite the history of Anti-Fascism in the Balkans and the horrible crimes of the Nazi scum in WWII, yet many people turn to it because of: "Evil Serbs/Croats/Albanians/Bosnians/Hungarians/etc etc."

[Anarchist Skinhead]

stopped wondering about its lack of sense long ago. Militant anti-fascism is the only answer.

[Misanthrope]

lol

What's next? A Black KKK?

Not everyone in Israel is Jewish.

[Zostrianos]

Yeah it's pretty dumb, I remember Ross Kemp did a program on Polish Neo-Nazi's, he asked one of them what his view was on the fact that Poland was home to so many concentration camps during the war and his answer was "they should have built more of them"

Ï think a better question would have been: “What do you think of what the Nazis did to native Poles (people like yourself), how they enslaved, massacred, and brutalized them? And how, if the Nazis were running your country, people such as yourself would probably end up in a camp, doing forced labour for the Germans, or with a bullet in the head. What’s your opinion on that?”
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Then again, he’d probably reply that it’s all lies and propaganda, and that life under the Nazis was actually good :/

[Regicollis]

Nazis are generally not the most enlightened type of people.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Ï think a better question would have been: “What do you think of what the Nazis did to native Poles (people like yourself), how they enslaved, massacred, and brutalized them? And how, if the Nazis were running your country, people such as yourself would probably end up in a camp, doing forced labour for the Germans, or with a bullet in the head. What’s your opinion on that?”
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Then again, he’d probably reply that it’s all lies and propaganda, and that life under the Nazis was actually good :/

Actually, the Nazis have a tendency to be flexible about who is the true pure "aryan" so it all works out for them - the position of some of these Polish Nazis, from what I've seen them spew on Youtube comments and such shit (not a good source, I know, but still) is that the Polish nation is an exceptional bright and pure aryan nation, and that the Germans are actually "polluted" and "non-aryan". This position is not unique to the Polish Nazi-types, and occur in many Nazi groups in what German Nazism would have considered "inferior" countries, out of a necessity of coming to terms with the inherent contradiction inherent in the German expansionism and racism and their own adherence to this ideology.

[Luc]

I'm not sure if the Polish Nazis are related at all to Christian Identity theology but in it says slavs are white and are apart of the superior race

that could be it :unsure:

[Anarchist Skinhead]

Catholic ultra-nationalism is currently very strong amongst Polish fash and growing in popularity, as it allows to present more"patriotic" image to the public. That of course doesn't stop them from going on the same actions with proper BH nazis...

[moulinrouge]

These people aren't really nazi's, most of them are racist petty thugs who thinks the swastika looks badass.

Just like wearing a che t-shirt doesn't make you a communist, teenagers who draw swastikas don't have to be nazi's.

[Misanthrope]

These people aren't really nazi's, most of them are racist petty thugs who thinks the swastika looks badass.

Just like wearing a che t-shirt doesn't make you a communist, teenagers who draw swastikas don't have to be nazi's.

Well what's the use in differentiating the two? I mean their label doesn't change how they should be viewed or dealt with

[Robespierres Neck]

lol

What's next? A Black KKK?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LN_P9uZB4ig/TAk71_rFDPI/AAAAAAAADYU/me-dtO82_ik/s1600/The+Black+Klansman.jpg

[Sir Comradical]

Well the Polish government was herding jews into ghettos before the Nazis arrived so there will be those who identify with that legacy.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

Thats actually is completely not true, don't know where do you get your "facts" from.
Polish government before the war was deeply authoritarian and rounding up a lot of political enemies of all sorts and holding them in prisons, but was never "herding Jews into ghettos".

[Sir Comradical]

Thats actually is completely not true, don't know where do you get your "facts" from.
Polish government before the war was deeply authoritarian and rounding up a lot of political enemies of all sorts and holding them in prisons, but was never "herding Jews into ghettos".

Yeah tbh I don't know where I got that from.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

Sorry mate, it is absolutely not true. Check your sources better in future ;)

[Zostrianos]

Tell me about it :( I'm polish and based on my personal experience I can say that it is pretty dodgy. I've never met so much hostility towards communism anywhere else. Well, unfortunately the way the polish people see communism is mainly the "stalinist way". Hard to blame them for trying to keep away from it. A bit more awareness wouldn't hurt anyone.

That's understandable - Stalin's rule in Poland was monstrous - but the thing is that the Nazis were far worse than Stalin (The Soviets seldom targeted women and children, while conversely the Nazis usually killed everything that moved). When you look at accounts of the enslavement of Poles, of the Warsaw uprising, when the Nazis executed 30,000 civilians in 2 days, gang raping women and girls before shooting them, it's all the more mind boggling:

They entered Ochota, a southwesterly neighborhood of Warsaw, on 9 August 1944. Over the course of the next ten days, they concentrated on theft, but also killed several thousand Polish civilians. As one of Kaminskii’s officers recalled, “Mass executions of civilians without investigation were the order of the day.” The soldiers also became known for systematic rape. They burned down the hospital of the Marie Curie Institute, killing everyone inside, but scrupulously raped the nurses ahead of time...

Reinefarth received an extraordinary three-part order from Himmler: all Polish combatants were to be shot; all Polish noncombatants, including women and children, were also to be shot; and the city itself was to be razed to the ground. The police formations and the SS Special Commando Dirlewanger carried out these orders to the letter on 5 and 6 August 1944, shooting some forty thousand civilians in the course of those two days alone. .... They lifted the Home Army’s barricades on Wola Street by marching Poles in front of them and forcing them to do the work, using women and children as human shields in the meantime, and raping some of the women. As they moved west they destroyed each and every building, one by one, using gasoline and hand grenades. Wola Street ran just south of the terrain that had been the ghetto, and indeed through some of its most southerly extremes, so their work of destruction brought an adjoining neighborhood to ruins.....

The massacres in Wola had nothing in common with combat. The Germans lost six dead and killed about twenty Home Army soldiers while murdering at least thirty thousand people. The ratio of civilian to military dead was more than a thousand to one, even if military casualties on both sides are counted. .... When the Germans took the Old Town, they killed seven thousand wounded in field hospitals by gunfire and flamethrowers. Some thirty thousand civilians would be killed in the Old Town before the uprising was over. (q.v. T. Snyder, Bloodlands)

FFS, don't they teach this in Polish schools?

[Dire Helix]

FFS, don't they teach this in Polish schools?

And if they did, how would it change anything? I`d wager neo-Nazism is a pretty niche brand of far-right sentiment in Poland anyway. One doesn`t have to admire Hitler to be a reactionary zealot.

[Omsk]

The far-right has it's sectarianism too it's basically like this:

The far left: Sectarianism - because of different ideological lines.

The far right: (I am mostly talking about Fascists and Nazis here.) Sectarianism - because of the different nationalities.

Their equivalent of MLs vs Trotskyists = German and Russian Nazis, the German Nazis consider the Russians to be 'untermensch' the Russian Nazis consider the Slavs to be the 'race of the future, the supreme race' etc etc.