Anarchists threaten Italian president

[Tim Cornelis]

Anarchists threaten Italy's PM Monti

LOCRI, Italy | Wed May 16, 2012 8:36pm IST

(Reuters) - An Italian anarchist group that has claimed responsibility for shooting the boss of a nuclear engineering firm threatened on Wednesday to target Prime Minister Mario Monti.

The group, calling itself the Olga Nucleus of the Informal Anarchist Federation-International Revolutionary Front, said in a statement sent to a newspaper in southern Italy that Monti was among seven remaining targets after Roberto Adinolfi, boss of Ansaldo Nucleare, was shot in the leg last week.

The attack fuelled rising concern about a return of political violence in Italy because of economic hardship and increasing opposition to austerity measures implemented by Monti's government.

In a statement sent to the Calabria Ora daily, the group said that attacks against tax enforcement agency Equitalia would continue as long as the government pushed ahead with reforms to cut Italy's huge debt.

"We say to Monti that he is one of the seven remaining and that the people have no interest in staying in Europe, saving the banks and helping to balance the accounts of a state that squandered money for its own interests," the statement said.

Any suicide by an Italian citizen connected to tax difficulties would be punished as a "state murder", it added.

There have been a string of suicides in Italy by businessmen despairing at the collapse of their livelihoods because of the crisis.

The statement contained the same symbols and was in a similar style to a letter sent to Corriere della Sera newspaper last week claiming responsibility for the attack on Adinolfi in the northern city of Genoa.

Italian police believe the claim of responsibility to be genuine and Genoa chief prosecutor Michele di Lecce said last week he would not rule out further attacks.

The same anarchist group claimed last year to have sent letter bombs to among others, Deutsche Bank boss Josef Ackermann in Germany. The director general of Equitalia in Rome lost a finger after opening one of the bombs last December.

Suspected members of a group linked to the far-left Red Brigades, who terrorised Italy during the "Years of Lead" in the 1970s and 80s, called in court for armed revolution on Tuesday when asked about the Adinolfi shooting

(Reporting By Ilario Filippone, writing by Catherine Hornby; editing by Barry Moody)

http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/05/16/italy-threat-anarchists-mont-idINDEE84F0CI20120516

[Prometeo liberado]

I can't say I blame them. If it makes one capitalist lose sleep at night then maybe they should re-think their life. Self-defense against the terrorist onslaught that is austerity apparently comes in many forms.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Cool, anarchists trying to get the state hammer brought down and their and every other revolutionary leftist's asses without helping any revolutionary movement except their own imaginary one. So, what's new?

Read this:
http://espressostalinist.wordpress.com/marxism-leninism-versus-revisionism/anarchism/

[Krano]

Cool, anarchists trying to get the state hammer brought down and their and every other revolutionary leftist's asses without helping any revolutionary movement except their own imaginary one. So, what's new?

Read this:
http://espressostalinist.wordpress.com/marxism-leninism-versus-revisionism/anarchism/
Only way towards revolution is thru bourgeois democracy like your KKE comrades in Greece?

[Railyon]

Cool, anarchists trying to get the state hammer brought down and their and every other revolutionary leftist's asses without helping any revolutionary movement except their own imaginary one.

1) Sounds like any other leftist org basically
2) >>Implying just laying down and assuming the correct party escort submission position will help
3) I thought you love "the state hammer"

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Only thru way towards revolution is thru bourgeois democracy like your KKE comrades in Greece?

Cool story bro.

Except my comrades are not the pathetic KKE social democrats; more like people who actually want revolution, but definitely not crazies who just want to blow up shit and shoot others by themselves and call it being a logical and productive revolutionary. Doing shit like that doesn't do anything.

[Tim Cornelis]

Prime Minister*

Ironically, people on a mainly left-wing populist/liberal forum I first read this on generally approved of this.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

3) I thought you love "the state hammer"

I do, when it's in the working class' hands.

[Krano]

Cool story bro.

Except my comrades are not the pathetic KKE social democrats; more like people who actually want revolution, but definitely not crazies who just want to blow up shit and shoot others by themselves and call it being a logical and productive revolutionary. Doing shit like that doesn't do anything.
Join the glorious Anarcho-Pacifist bloc my dear comrade :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-pacifism

[Grenzer]

Join the glorious Anarcho-Pacifist bloc my dear comrade :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-pacifism

Because terrorism is oh so helpful?

No Marxist has a problem with violence, but pointless terrorism like these anarcho-chumps in Italy and the people who planned on bombing a bridge here in the United States only serve to alienate the workers from communism, and indeed, needlessly bring down state repression on communists. The kind of violence these liberal idiots are advocating is the stuff of bourgeois romanticism, not revolutionary action.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Because terrorism is oh so helpful?

No Marxist has a problem with violence, but pointless terrorism like these anarcho-chumps in Italy and the people who planned on bombing a bridge here in the United States only serve to alienate the workers from communism, and indeed, needlessly bring down state repression on communists. The kind of violence these liberal idiots are advocating is the stuff of bourgeois romanticism, not revolutionary action.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Comrade Samuel]

Join the glorious Anarcho-Pacifist bloc my dear comrade :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-pacifism

We don't have a problem with fighting but we do however think that choosing our fights like a 5 year old on a playground is at the very least a little irrational.

A successful revolution will never take place if we commit acts that earn us the resentment of the working class. That doesent mean we think participating in bourgeois politics will help us either it only means that this is just as pointless but the catch is that it also has the potential to harm us as well.

[Krano]

Because terrorism is oh so helpful?

No Marxist has a problem with violence, but pointless terrorism like these anarcho-chumps in Italy and the people who planned on bombing a bridge here in the United States only serve to alienate the workers from communism, and indeed, needlessly bring down state repression on communists. The kind of violence these liberal idiots are advocating is the stuff of bourgeois romanticism, not revolutionary action.
Yes im sure on May Day anarchists planned to blow up a bridge in the middle of nowhere in the most repressive corporate state totally believable, Liberals advocate violence? no they always champion people like gandhi and belive that change can actually come thru pacifism.

[Bronco]

Will people really be that resentful if Monti did get shot; a Prime Minister who not a single Italian voted for, a man that was forced upon them and is now in the process of employing crippling austerity measures?

[KrimsonV]

Will people really be that resentful if Monti did get shot; a Prime Minister who not a single Italian voted for, a man that was forced upon them and is now in the process of employing crippling austerity measures?

As an Italian myself who absolutely does not approve Monti and his politics, he is orders of magnitude better than Berlusconi. If Napolitano (our President of the Republic) didn't intervene and let Silvio's laughable government live for another year, we would be at the very least on the same boat as Greece, if not worse.

[Grenzer]

Yes im sure on May Day anarchists planned to blow up a bridge in the middle of nowhere in the most repressive corporate state totally believable, Liberals advocate violence? no they always champion people like gandhi and belive that change can actually come thru pacifism.

No, liberals are not always peaceful. Liberalism is idealism, and believing in some kind of fantasy that a squad of anarchists are going to storm the presidential palace and launch the revolution is bourgeois romanticism and idealism. It's a utopian fantasy that is borne of liberalism, not a scientific, materialistic outlook.

This isn't even representative of Anarchism. Most mature Anarchists would realize this, and agree that terrorism is not the way to achieve socialism. Socialism can only be reached by the conscious self-emancipation of the workers, not petit-bourgeois adventurers playing at Rambo. These people are just liberals playing at being revolutionaries.

[Tim Cornelis]

Will people really be that resentful if Monti did get shot; a Prime Minister who not a single Italian voted for, a man that was forced upon them and is now in the process of employing crippling austerity measures?

Forgot one thing though, an approval rating of 80% when he assumed office. Better than any elected prime minister.

I just noticed we have no Italian members on this forum, correct?

[Bronco]

Forgot one thing though, an approval rating of 80% when he assumed office. Better than any elected prime minister.

I just noticed we have no Italian members on this forum, correct?

Well I'm sure almost anyone would have a high approval rating and be seen as positive change succeeding Berlusconi's shambolic government, and even so his personal approval rating has fallen to around 50% and his government's 45% recently. Although yeah I take your point and that is still a pretty good rating all things considered, and for the record I'm not saying I think shooting him would be revolutionary or that it'd bring us any closer to revolution

[Krano]

No, liberals are not always peaceful. Liberalism is idealism, and believing in some kind of fantasy that a squad of anarchists are going to storm the presidential palace and launch the revolution is bourgeois romanticism and idealism. It's a utopian fantasy that is borne of liberalism, not a scientific, materialistic outlook.

This isn't even representative of Anarchism. Most mature Anarchists would realize this, and agree that terrorism is not the way to achieve socialism. Socialism can only be reached by the conscious self-emancipation of the workers, not petit-bourgeois adventurers playing at Rambo. These people are just liberals playing at being revolutionaries.
Of course this isn't reality, did i say it was? i don't know any Liberals like this only people who belive that they can bring change thru legislation and bourgeois democracy like this ''Revolutionary'' Stalinist.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Only way towards revolution is thru bourgeois democracy like your KKE comrades in Greece?So capitalist elections are bullshit because it's the system, not whoever's put in power and elections don't help the class fight for itself. Agreed.

But getting rid of one figurehead through individualist terrorism is a class strategy? Way to party like it's 1899!

Move over Emma Goldman with all your ideas and class-talk, you've just been replaced by John Hinkley!

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I'm amazed that not one poster here has yet to question whether this is authentic or if this is just like with the 5 bridge people of whom are probably just patsies used by the government as propaganda to stop any sort of action being taken against them for their policies and bullshit. Yes, let's all whine and post idiotic Stalinist horseshit and forgo any critical thinking whatsoever. :rolleyes:

It's all pretty convenient, the bourgeoisie and their parliamentary mouthpieces are finding it harder and harder to repackage their bullshit and now we are seeing a "rise," in "Anarchist," related violence against the state and various members of government.

[Prometeo liberado]

I think two separate issues are being confused here. Self-defense and revolution. The latter is obviously not what is being propagated with these singled out attacks. Like I said earlier, right or wrong, self-defense against austerity takes on many different forms.

[KrimsonV]

I'm amazed that not one poster here has yet to question whether this is authentic or if this is just like with the 5 bridge people of whom are probably just patsies used by the government as propaganda to stop any sort of action being taken against them for their policies and bullshit. Yes, let's all whine and post idiotic Stalinist horseshit and forgo any critical thinking whatsoever. :rolleyes:

Actually, most news channels here are reporting that the authorities doubt the authenticity of the message, and they don't talk about it *so* much. At least, not enough for it to be government propaganda.

Ultimately though, it's hard to tell. Who the heck knows. :confused:

[Jimmie Higgins]

I think two separate issues are being confused here. Self-defense and revolution. The latter is obviously not what is being propagated with these singled out attacks. Like I said earlier, right or wrong, self-defense against austerity takes on many different forms.Sure, by people who have no class-analysis or interest in liberation, not by supposed "anarchists".

I have to agree: it's radical liberalism, not revolutionary anarchism.

And yes, there are radical liberals - a lot of the new left of the 1960s, The Weathermen, for example - a lot of people in the anti-globalization movement, some people in the occupy movement. Many radical environmentalists and radical animal rights people are liberals who have no problem with violence (against humans).

[Krano]

I'm amazed that not one poster here has yet to question whether this is authentic or if this is just like with the 5 bridge people of whom are probably just patsies used by the government as propaganda to stop any sort of action being taken against them for their policies and bullshit. Yes, let's all whine and post idiotic Stalinist horseshit and forgo any critical thinking whatsoever. :rolleyes:

It's all pretty convenient, the bourgeoisie and their parliamentary mouthpieces are finding it harder and harder to repackage their bullshit and now we are seeing a "rise," in "Anarchist," related violence against the state and various members of government.
My mistake comrade shouldnt have wasted my time on it.

[Prometeo liberado]

Sure, by people who have no class-analysis or interest in liberation, not by supposed "anarchists".

I have to agree: it's radical liberalism, not revolutionary anarchism.

And yes, there are radical liberals - a lot of the new left of the 1960s, The Weathermen, for example - a lot of people in the anti-globalization movement, some people in the occupy movement. Many radical environmentalists and radical animal rights people are liberals who have no problem with violence (against humans).

I was thinking of the Weatherman when I wrote that post. I don't really get bent up over shit like this because in the long run it's meaningless. It does make me laugh though to see all these politicians and bankers hire extra goons to follow them on a workout. Trivial at best.