My political views?

[DeadMan]

Hey. Most of you don't know me, but I want you guys to help me. I am very political person in a sense. I don't like discussing politics tho, because I am afraid to be labeled something bad. I was hoping someone here could help me.

I do beleive in Communism in a sense, only that the human being is incapable of making communism. Greed and the will to be better ruins it. My friend got a good car, well I'm gonna lie, cheat, steal, hate to get a better one and show it off. We are like that, willing or not, it is who we are. We do not like feeling inferior.

I do beleive in Fascism in a way. I DO HATE HITLER FOR HIS RACIST ACTS AND THOUGHTS!!! I am not a racist in any way. My friends are colored (Armania, Trinidad, China, Japan, Congo, Guiana and so on) but the political system of Fascicm seems to work. Mussolini, not a very big racist, had a very good country going on. I read alot about him from the internet. He was a good man. Being inside of the Nazi group, he had the smallest Jewish kill count if I remember right, so he was NOT a Jewish hating Nazi.

I do beleive in Capitalism. I know it's evil and it hurts the poor, but it's all I've ever been under, and the fear of viewing something new scares me in a sense.

I have read on other political parties. And my favorite to read is Socialism. Everything goes back to the people if the people give. It seems to be the best. It's almost like living for free. You go to work as a farmer and another man goes to work as a electrician. He powers your house while you feed him in a small irrational sense.

Now that you kinda understand what I beleive in, can anyone tell me what I am. If you need more info then I will give it out. I'm tired of defending my points of view while staying bias to the labels of society.

DeadMan.

[SonofRage]

I suggest you read up on Mussolini because you seem to be very misinformed.

http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mussolini

[Se7en]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2003, 09:09 PM
Now that you kinda understand what I beleive in, can anyone tell me what I am.
"Confused" came to mind...

maybe you should read up on some more issues and people before you try and label yourself.

[gawkygeek]

u might want to check out http://www.politicalcompass.org, thats a pretty good site in gaging ur political ideals. don't forget though ur wickedly out of whack with the power to the ppl AND facism so u might just end up misplaced.

confused is definitely the word

[communistbutter]

Id say look into Socialism if i was you...and stand up for you political beleifs...if someone labels you..then thats theyre fualt...and you should just ignore them.....Mussolini isnt such a good guy...i agree read more into him...and fascism is pretty bad too....a whole world governend by some people...i dunno...its too many people...and it would be too hard to achieve....all in all..Dont be afriad..stand up...and let your ideas be heard and questioned..so you cna develop a more veried veiw on the world :lol:

[anti_champagne_socialists]

Well first of all, why do we need a label? "We've had had no world war, no great depression, our depression is our lives." As a people from first world countries, which is where I assume most of the people here are (I'm Australian), we seem to need to have a tag to identify ourselves. We can no longer be proud of our history, as in most cases it's full of murder and piliging.
And since when was Mussolini the leader of a good country? Sure, due to expendature prior to the depression Italy faired a bit better than most, but the goals he set weren't met, violence was still prominent in politics (death of Matteotti, the black shirts), the farming tecniques were still behind the world powers, Italy still relied on imports. He could do nothing to help the poverty in the south. And how can you say that he was OK as he didn't persecute too many jews? The idea only crossed his mind after meeting with Hitler. The fact that he crumbled so easily to a foreign power, which was what he wanted to rid Italy of, is shameful. Although a blessing in disguise, Italy's role in WWII was minimal and angered his allies (Nazi Germany). The attrocities commited by the Italian forces in the Balkans and North Africa are unforgivable.
You seem to have a minimal understanding of all political sides, and sorry if I'm a bit harsh, but don't express an opinion if you don't have basis to back it up. You've taken the first step, but you have to see that that doesn't make you omnipotent. You have to read and discuss issues at your level, don't bite off what you can't chew.

[Looter]

I think you are a nihilist. We had a big discussion about them a couple of weeks ago and if you are a nihilist, get the hell outa here, we don't want no nihilists around here!

[RedAnarchist]

The Political Compass is quite useful. I'm always near the bottom left-hand corner, which is the ebst place to be in my opinion. :)

[Soviet power supreme]

I do beleive in Fascism in a way.

Could you expain?If you are no racist then you must be a power whore.
Yes facism is good system if nation wanted become a super power.Just think how Hitler restored fast Germany's economics.However Fascism opress lots of people.

You believe a little bit in capitalism,communism and fascism.Well ask yourself which of these do you want to put in charge.

a)Authotarian militaristic persons
b)Greedy capitalists
c)Whining workers

[DeadMan]

Ouch...shouldn't of made this thread...people already hate me at my 4th post. Maybe I can explain myself better (never been really good at that either).

I am a very pro (for peace, not war) military. I tend to speak before I think to and in this new age of hate, isn't a good thing. I made a comment about how America (sorry to any Americans) are terrorising other countries to try and stop something they can't, terrorism. And I got a friendly visit from the school councellor. I have always been raised to beleive in what I know...which isn't alot. I never took political science courses and didn't get involved in politics that much. But yah, that should help.

Not that I love fascism at all (and the reason I beleived that Italy wasn't to bad in the war, is because I am a great part Italian) but it seemed to really rally the people, they seemed to fair well before the war came. They jumped out of the depression and made some money. I guess that's why I thought there we're an ok system. Cause as we all know, money rules the world no matter how much you slice it.

Capitalism is all I've ever experienced and the fear of going into something worse scares me because let's face it, capitalism is not that great in itself. The poor (me) get poorer and the rich get richer, usually of the poor people.

I'm gonna do the Compass thing now. Wow...some questions are very one sided. The "Controlling inflation is more important than controlling unemployment." question is harsh. If you raise the employement then the inflation level will not need to be handled but people can live if it's too high too...confussing. But Canada has welfare, so unemployement is not as horrible (not statistically speaking) as in other countries. And the health care hits home. The richer you are the better you deserve? HELL NO! I am poor, if I break a leg it might as well stay broken cause I couldn't afford it. Good thing Canada has free health care too. Wow...these questions hit home big time.

Well, I did the test. And I'm barely off the center. I'm sliding a little into communism and that's about it (economic left). I guess I'm not ment to be in any specific political system. I'll just go with the flow. Oh well, no big deal. I'll just beleive in what is fair.

DeadMan.

[@[email protected]@]

:( :unsure:
may we have a PRE-talking?
Once iam a yonger man.
re-thinks.

[DeadMan]

Originally posted by @[email protected]@@Dec 10 2003, 09:42 PM
:( :unsure:
may we have a PRE-talking?
Once iam a yonger man.
re-thinks.
I don't get what you wrote.

DeadMan.

[IHP]

You are what you are. I don't understand how you are a pro-communist-fascist, though.

They are quite opposed to each other. One is anti-nationalism, the other is very pro-nationalism, for but one example. I think you might be a little confused by it all.

Fascism isn't an ideology that is smiled upon on this site. You should probably explain exactly how your thoughts fit in with fascism. More in depth, that is. As it stands, I can't say that I respect a word you say.

[DeadMan]

Ok. I don't like fascism all that much. In fact, I probably would never want to be under one of those gouverments. But from what I see the people seemed infatuated with it soooo much. They would die for the cause even if the cause was wrong. I think it's the infatuation of the people towards it that intregue me to it. I want to be passionite about something (I have never had a passion that I keeped for more then 1 year. The only thing that I have liked for 3 years now, and plan to commit my life to it, is automotive. I have already applied for a apprentaship in automotive mechanic and diesel mechanics. I actually know little about fascism itself, but I've seen so much about it thru the history channel and whatever I gather from my reading. People loved it so much that it couldn't of been all that wrong right? So yah. I think the infatuation of the people is what makes me beleive in it you could say.

But I've also seen bad things of it. Total power, corruption, greed, hate, madness, murder, deception, loathing and all the evil qualities can be found in it. I don't know. I tend to switch my mind by my mood. Sometimes I feel so communist when I see heavy unfairness within the same people, but sometimes I feel so greedy and capitalist when I get my paycheck lol. Please keep in mind that I'm also young. I'm only 17. Things seem greater to me then they actually are.

DeadMan.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 03:05 AM
Ok. I don't like fascism all that much. In fact, I probably would never want to be under one of those gouverments. But from what I see the people seemed infatuated with it soooo much. They would die for the cause even if the cause was wrong. I think it's the infatuation of the people towards it that intregue me to it.
Because people was brainwashed. They werent thinking for themselves, and that helped Mussolini. If they would have thought for themselves they would have realised many things. But that's against the nature of fascism so that's why the state couldnt let such a thing happen.

[IHP]

Ok, that still doesn't clarify anything. So you don't actually like fascist structure, you are just nationalistic? I say this because you seem to like the passion invoked in the people for their fascist government.

Myself, and a great number of the members of this board see nationalism as total folly, and nothing more. Blindly supporting your country, for the fact that it's the country you were born in is quite rediculous.

Be passionate about helping people. Be passionate about bringing down capitalism, which by nature is un-democratic. You don't have to be pro-communist to do this. I am not, but I'm still passionate about helping out those who are oppresses by capitalism, which ,as have have seen, consolidates power in the hands of the few.

Don't be so fickle as to like capitalism because of your pay check. That doesn't make sense on such a small scale. Also, your boss is using your labour to make himself profit. What you see is peanuts, mate.

[DeadMan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2003, 12:26 PM
Don't be so fickle as to like capitalism because of your pay check. That doesn't make sense on such a small scale. Also, your boss is using your labour to make himself profit. What you see is peanuts, mate.
Hmm...That's so true. We charge 50$ an hour for labor and I only collect 12.50$...wow...never thought of that until now. I am getting ripped off. And with all the social insurance thing or whatever that takes like 10% of my paycheck sucks too, but I can get it back at the end of the year.

And also the brainwashing thing is true. They did brainwash...but can't you argue that all politcal systems do this? I mean, what country would just let there population go as is. The Soviet Union did alot of propagandha, so does the US right now. They sucked all the tragedy out of 9/11 and turned it into a commercial ordeal. I don't know. I think I just need to research more about communism. I like the idea of everyone being equal, especially when I see how badly some people get threated (the poor, the weak, the young). Hmm....I think I should read the Communist manifesto, if I found a copy. I hear it's really long tho. Someone said something like 100 pages?!?!?! :o . That's alot of reading on my part. I'm not a fan of heavy reading.

DeadMan.

[Marxist in Nebraska]

DeadMan,

You say you are pro-military, but not pro-war. The only reason to have a large and powerful military is to use it against weaker countries.

Also,

The Communist Manifesto is only about 40 pages long.

[DeadMan]

Originally posted by Marxist in [email protected] 11 2003, 07:16 PM
DeadMan,

You say you are pro-military, but not pro-war. The only reason to have a large and powerful military is to use it against weaker countries.

Also,

The Communist Manifesto is only about 40 pages long.
I'm pro-military but I don't exactly like war. I like the idea of being in the military and fighting for the right cause. I like the military. It's so, I don't know. Can't explain it. I guess I like it cause our country has such a poor one. And everyone wants what they don't have lol. My brothers also applied for the army and navy. My one brother wasn't accepted because of his leg injury and the other didn't pass the mental test and was a little off in the academic area. I wouldn't mind fighting in a war. But not for the wrong reasons. I would fight if say my family or homeland would be in danger (ie: Canada is being invaded).

DeadMan.

[IHP]

Of course you are being ripped off. That's how capitalism works.

About reading the communist manifesto, do so, but don't then automatically take on the stance of "Communist". Really research until you are sure as sure that's what you believe.

A few years ago I considered myself a Marxist-Leninist. That's since been revised, and I'm not linger a communist at all.

I have to be off, but I will post more about the "brainwashing."

[DeadMan]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2003, 07:42 AM
Of course you are being ripped off. That's how capitalism works.

About reading the communist manifesto, do so, but don't then automatically take on the stance of "Communist". Really research until you are sure as sure that's what you believe.

A few years ago I considered myself a Marxist-Leninist. That's since been revised, and I'm not linger a communist at all.

I have to be off, but I will post more about the "brainwashing."
God damn....well I talked to my boss and I am now making 15$ an hour. A pretty good pay for a 17 year old still in highschool. And I think I will take the stance of Neutral for now until I can see more into Communism and what not.

DeadMan.

[Comité De Salut Public]

Originally posted by DeadMan+Dec 13 2003, 08:20 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DeadMan @ Dec 13 2003, 08:20 PM)
[email protected] 12 2003, 07:42 AM
Of course you are being ripped off. That&#39;s how capitalism works.

About reading the communist manifesto, do so, but don&#39;t then automatically take on the stance of "Communist". Really research until you are sure as sure that&#39;s what you believe.

A few years ago I considered myself a Marxist-Leninist. That&#39;s since been revised, and I&#39;m not linger a communist at all.

I have to be off, but I will post more about the "brainwashing."
God damn....well I talked to my boss and I am now making 15&#036; an hour. A pretty good pay for a 17 year old still in highschool. And I think I will take the stance of Neutral for now until I can see more into Communism and what not.

DeadMan. [/b]
What the fuck is going on here? Material incentives are not supposed to be a factor in the new revolutionary society&#33; Che as the protypical man of the future favored moral incentives over materail incentives. What did Che say, "I have a repulsion for money. It&#39;s a fucking fetish&#33;" Take for example Cuba: notwithstanding the rampages and cruelties of the world&#39;s greatest superpower against this third World country the Cuban people are nevertheless leading the way to the future society. People volunteer everyday. Doctors volunteered to go to internationalist duties whenever they were needed to help the Third World peoples with their assistance and for little or no pay. Cuban spies, saboteurs, provocateurs, technicians, trainers, experts poured into Angloa to assists the people there repel the mercenary and racist South African apartheid warmongers which were incidentally ordered into Angola by the U.S. government. And what did the Cubans get out of it? Were they happy or sad about how much money there were paid by the hour? Again and again in Ethiopia, the Congo, Nicaragua, and other tragic places received the generous outpouring of support by Cuban heroes who don&#39;t give a flying fuck about dollars.

[DeadMan]

Yah well we live in a money world and I have bills to pay and things to do and 15&#036; and hour is what will make sure I can live on my own after school. Maybe the revolution doesn&#39;t care for money but guess what, we live in a capitalist world, and things cost money. I need that money to live. A crappy apartment in the bad part of town costs about 700&#036; a month. The good thing about third world country is money has no value to them. But I live in a money hungry country so I don&#39;t have the luxury of not caring about money and if I don&#39;t have any, then I&#39;m basically screwed. You probably make more then me so lay off alright?

DeadMan.

[Jaha]

. I want to be passionite about something (I have never had a passion that I keeped for more then 1 year. The only thing that I have liked for 3 years now, and plan to commit my life to it, is automotive


I like the idea of being in the military and fighting for the right cause

dead man,

you keep mentioning passion. how you want to be passionate about something. i suppose it is similar to a void i felt about 2 years ago. didnt know what to think about anything. for a few months i was deeply patriotic, but as i educated myself, i became very unpatriotic. one extreme to the other. i still feel a need for passion, and self education taught me what exactly i was passionate about.

to describe myself, is hard. i also do not want to mislabel myself. i have no real label other than "lefty" or "liberal". but i have clear opinions on the issues and thats what matters.

ahama