Golden Dawn Demands Journalists Stand For the Great Leader

[Zealot]

Golden Dawn forced everyone to stand as the Great Leader entered the room at a press conference. And expelled the journalists who refused:

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Golden Dawn Neo-Nazis: Greek Journalists Union Defies Right-Wing Threats

The Greek journalists' union has hit back at the far-right Golden Dawn party, whose aides ordered reporters to stand or leave at a press conference in Athens.


The Greek Federation of Journalists warned that they will not tolerate further intimidation by the neo-Nazi party, which obtained 7 percent of the vote at parliamentary elections.


A video published on YouTube showed muscular supporters of Golden Dawn urging journalists to rise from their seats as a sign of respect for party leader Nikolaos Michaloliakos. Those who refused were expelled from the room. "The Greek Federation of Journalists warns Hitler nostalgics [sic] and especially the 'brave boys in black T-shirts' that no journalist will be coerced, threatened or above all terrorised," the union said.


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This would be comic if shit wasn't so serious.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

I just wathced This SAME Exact Video, the SAME One! Two Minutes ago! HAHA!

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Shit, I wouldn't even stand if the PM or the Queen came by for a visit, let alone for some bullshit party of dellusional racists lead by an ego-maniac
Fair play to the journalists who stood their ground and wouldn't be intimidated.

[Os Cangaceiros]

hahahahaha holy shit, that speech was literally like something straight out of the 1930's.

[Blanquist]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

It's common curtosy to stand up, I wouldn't stand because he's a fascist, but I'm also not a journalist and would not be in that situation in the first place.

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

I didn't watch the video so excuse me if there is something I didn't see.

[WanderingCactus]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

It's common curtosy to stand up, I wouldn't stand because he's a fascist, but I'm also not a journalist and would not be in that situation in the first place.

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

I didn't watch the video so excuse me if there is something I didn't see.
oh god you're the worst

[Zealot]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

It's common curtosy to stand up, I wouldn't stand because he's a fascist, but I'm also not a journalist and would not be in that situation in the first place.

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

I didn't watch the video so excuse me if there is something I didn't see.

Then maybe you should watch the video and see how they were treated. That's sort of why I put it there.

[Sasha]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

It's common curtosy to stand up, I wouldn't stand because he's a fascist, but I'm also not a journalist and would not be in that situation in the first place.

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

I didn't watch the video so excuse me if there is something I didn't see.

if i can't dance have to stand up for leaders, i do not want to be part of your revolution - emma goldman psycho

[pluckedflowers]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

It's common curtosy to stand up, I wouldn't stand because he's a fascist, but I'm also not a journalist and would not be in that situation in the first place.

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

I didn't watch the video so excuse me if there is something I didn't see.

He's a nazi, and the last thing we need now is journalists or other politicians acting like a nazi deserves respect just because some other nazis voted for him.

[NoPasaran1936]

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

see.

BOURGEOISIE PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY, FUCK YEAH! RESPECT ALL THAT'S IN THE ROOM, FUCK YEAH!

Dude, stfu. You shouldn't have to stand for anybody. We are all equal, no one is above us.

[Rainsborough]

Originally Posted by Blanquist http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2445762#post2445762)

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.Yeah, stand up to piss on him!

[Vninect]

Shit, I wouldn't even stand if the PM or the Queen came by for a visit, let alone for some bullshit party of dellusional racists lead by an ego-maniac
Fair play to the journalists who stood their ground and wouldn't be intimidated.
I would not even be there if I was a serious journalist: For one, I quite like the "no platform for fascists" rule. Second: if I felt like reporting it, reading a transcript or summary would save a considerable amount of time. Or better, I could read the wiki page on Hitler, really, and publish a story about the speech before it happened. :tt2:

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

It's common curtosy to stand up, I wouldn't stand because he's a fascist, but I'm also not a journalist and would not be in that situation in the first place.

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

I didn't watch the video so excuse me if there is something I didn't see.

Are you kidding me?

[ForgedConscience]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

It's common curtosy to stand up, I wouldn't stand because he's a fascist, but I'm also not a journalist and would not be in that situation in the first place.

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

I didn't watch the video so excuse me if there is something I didn't see.
Well, I am sure someone else will tackle that frankly bizarre statement that we should respect leaders (seriously? You call yourself a revolutionary leftist?), so I'll just say this:

You are arguing that we should do something essentially because it is traditional. You know what I think? You shouldn't have to 'show' respect to anyone. It should just be assumed, as soon as you encounter each other, that you are equal.

PS. Not that I am arguing that a neo-nazi will see others as equal, I am talking about this as an ideal situation between reasonable people.

[Lucretia]

I swear when I first saw the thread title, I thought it said "Goldie Hawn demands..."

[KrimsonV]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

It's common curtosy to stand up, I wouldn't stand because he's a fascist, but I'm also not a journalist and would not be in that situation in the first place.

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

I didn't watch the video so excuse me if there is something I didn't see.

If I really were to stand up for someone, I'd expect that person to stand up as well, since I do not believe another person is more "worthy" of respect than I am, or than any other individual.

If all of us who believe in equality did that however, chair manufacturers would become obsolete pretty quickly in a communist country, so I suggest we just scratch this useless practice. I like chairs.

[NewLeft]

My favourite part of the speech:
"When the dirty TV channels, the porn channels, broadcast porn movies after 2 o'clock..."

http://i.imgur.com/vTpc6.png

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

LOL at troll on thread.

[Koba Junior]

My favourite part of the speech:
"When the dirty TV channels, the porn channels, broadcast porn movies after 2 o'clock..."

http://i.imgur.com/vTpc6.png

I like how he subtly admits to knowing exactly when and where to watch porn on his television.

[Fawkes]

well blanquist is a derp, now, in other news:

what's the situation like with golden dawn? I know that in 2005 they got murked by some anarchists, but what's going on now?

[Rafiq]

My favourite part of the speech:
"When the dirty TV channels, the porn channels, broadcast porn movies after 2 o'clock..."

http://i.imgur.com/vTpc6.png

How did he know when they broadcast? Ans what's the significance of 2am?

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[TheRedAnarchist23]

Those who support authoritarianism support this.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Those who support authoritarianism support this.

Cool story, bro.

[Magón]

Fucking Nazi's man, they can't ever talk with their inside voices. :thumbdown:

[Offbeat]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

Coming out can be very difficult, but I still don't see why journalists should stand up.

[Krano]

How did he know when they broadcast? Ans what's the significance of 2am?

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[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Those who support authoritarianism support this.

What is this new fetish you have with calling everything authoritarian ?

[Koba Junior]

What is this new fetish you have with calling everything authoritarian ?

This is now a RevLeft meme.

[NewLeft]

What is this new fetish you have with calling everything authoritarian ?
Forgive me for bringing this up..

See post 52.

[Os Cangaceiros]

How did he know when they broadcast? Ans what's the significance of 2am?

2 AM is when the traitors show horrible filth like Backdoor Action 5 and Barely Legal 3!

Not that he would know anything about that!

[A Marxist Historian]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

It's common curtosy to stand up, I wouldn't stand because he's a fascist, but I'm also not a journalist and would not be in that situation in the first place.

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

I didn't watch the video so excuse me if there is something I didn't see.

You would? Whatever for?

Being the leader of a socialist or communist or revolutionary or any other party in parliament or outside it doesn't mean you are a monarch or a deity. If people stood up to hear me speak, I think I'd feel insulted.

The journalists should indeed have stood, as it is difficult to throw rocks while sitting. Let us hope they do the sensible thing and boycott all Nazi press conferences in the future.

The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.

-M.H.-

[Die Neue Zeit]

Golden Dawn forced everyone to stand as the Great Leader entered the room at a press conference. And expelled the journalists who refused

Given the media talk about Tsipras being charismatic, I'd rather have the Syriza leader be the focus of this kind of respect, though instead of intimidating the journalists who refuse, I'd put them in a position where they realistically cannot refuse to stand up; seated on the second row, behind a first row of party activists and ahead of a third row of more party activists.

[Ocean Seal]

Those who support authoritarianism support this.
Yep because anarchists have never had cults of personality or a policy of keeping out unfriendly media.



2 AM is when the traitors show horrible filth like Backdoor Action 5 and Barely Legal 3!

Not that he would know anything about that!
I heard that a friend recommended, I mean told him to indignant he was about porn being shown on television.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Yep because anarchists have never had cults of personality or a policy of keeping out unfriendly media.

I'll one-up your sarcasm: because utilizing one-man's-personality-cult-is-another's-charisma has never, ever been effective at organizing the broader class. [Oh, check out pre-WWI German Social Democracy.]

[A Marxist Historian]

Given the media talk about Tsipras being charismatic, I'd rather have the Syriza leader be the focus of this kind of respect, though instead of intimidating the journalists who refuse, I'd put them in a position where they realistically cannot refuse to stand up; seated on the second row, behind a first row of party activists and ahead of a third row of more party activists.

Stand up for Tsipras? Who didn't utter either the word "socialism" or the word "capitalism" in his entire campaign?

Not me.

I wish I had the opportunity to make that kind of a point by being in the second row and refusing to stand for him, drawing everybody's attention.

Now, as for the Nazi, anybody who stands for him is an enemy of the working class.

-M.H.-

[Die Neue Zeit]

I would certainly criticize Tsipras at other venues, but public press conferences are not the time to pull off the verbal equivalent of throwing eggs at someone else's face or other such unprofessional behaviour. It would be, for professional purposes, time to stand (and of course sit down when asked).

[Yazman]

He's a nazi, and the last thing we need now is journalists or other politicians acting like a nazi deserves respect just because some other nazis voted for him.

Not everybody who voted for Golden Dawn is a nazi. A lot of them are disempowered workers who don't see the revolutionary left as a worthwhile option. We need to be taking a group like Golden Dawn very very seriously given they actually got 7% of the vote. I'm cool with ridiculing nazis but when they actually manage to get seats in parliament, it's time for us to start being serious.

[Luís Henrique]

I didn't watch the video but I would demand journalists stood if the leader of a Socialist party was coming out.

It's common curtosy to stand up, I wouldn't stand because he's a fascist, but I'm also not a journalist and would not be in that situation in the first place.

He's the leader of a party that's in parliament, and it's his press-conference, journalists should stand.

I didn't watch the video so excuse me if there is something I didn't see.

People should stand for others as a sign of respect. But respect cannot be enforced, nor even demanded. If journalists don't respect MichaLOLiakos, that is his problem, not theirs; he hasn't done anything to earn the respect of decent people. And he is not in a position that is conventionally "respectable", either; he isn't president, king, or prime-minister. He is just a partisan leader; of course his own partisans will stand up for him, but no one else is under any obligation of doing such. Much less journalists.

Luís Henrique

[bricolage]

journos should be permanently forced to stand for anyone that isn't a dirty stinking journo. true story.

[Hit The North]

Not everybody who voted for Golden Dawn is a nazi. A lot of them are disempowered workers who don't see the revolutionary left as a worthwhile option. We need to be taking a group like Golden Dawn very very seriously given they actually got 7% of the vote. I'm cool with ridiculing nazis but when they actually manage to get seats in parliament, it's time for us to start being serious.

Taking them seriously, how?

The journalist and technician unions should be enforcing a no-platform policy against this ludicrous Nazi.

[Yazman]

Taking them seriously, how?

The journalist and technician unions should be enforcing a no-platform policy against this ludicrous Nazi.

Taking them seriously in the sense of them being a much more real and serious threat in Greece with 7% of the vote in a national election. This isn't just a case of some random idiots on a forum crapping on about Jews, this is serious shit now and I get that they have views that are ridiculous to us but it isn't really the time for jokes when they have managed to get into the government, even if it is only the legislative branch.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Taking them seriously in the sense of them being a much more real and serious threat in Greece with 7% of the vote in a national election. This isn't just a case of some random idiots on a forum crapping on about Jews, this is serious shit now and I get that they have views that are ridiculous to us but it isn't really the time for jokes when they have managed to get into the government, even if it is only the legislative branch.

I agree, it's not the same is being generally dismissive of a handful of skinheads with no political clout of any kind. They've gotten 20 odd people elected by popular vote. I don't agree that you should always stand for anyone out of respect, just my personal view. But journalists definately should be there and should be documenting every word and deed of their members and supporters. Their absurd beliefs need to be scrutinised openly in the hope that in time the numbe of people that vote for them will dwindle.

[Rainsborough]

Originally Posted by A Marxist Historian http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2446442#post2446442)
If people stood up to hear me speak, I think I'd feel insulted.

Ha, if people stood up as I spoke, I'd be worried they were leaving :laugh:

[A Marxist Historian]

I would certainly criticize Tsipras at other venues, but public press conferences are not the time to pull off the verbal equivalent of throwing eggs at someone else's face or other such unprofessional behaviour. It would be, for professional purposes, time to stand (and of course sit down when asked).

I am not an anarchist and wouldn't be for throwing eggs at Tsipras, whom many working people do support.

But neither am I a monarchist, and I only stand for those who truly deserve it, which Tsipras, a reformist who did not utter the word "socialism" in his entire election campaign, is not.

And, since journalists are after all supposed to be objective, their job is to take notes and raise their hands at appropriate moments to ask questions, not exhibit partisanship by standing for the speaker. So standing for Tsipras would in fact be unprofessional, whether or not everyone around them was standing too.

-M.H.-

[Die Neue Zeit]

I am not an anarchist and wouldn't be for throwing eggs at Tsipras, whom many working people do support.

But neither am I a monarchist, and I only stand for those who truly deserve it, which Tsipras, a reformist who did not utter the word "socialism" in his entire election campaign, is not.

And, since journalists are after all supposed to be objective, their job is to take notes and raise their hands at appropriate moments to ask questions, not exhibit partisanship by standing for the speaker. So standing for Tsipras would in fact be unprofessional, whether or not everyone around them was standing too.

-M.H.-

WTF does "monarchist" have to do with Greece, a constitutional republic? Last I heard, Tsipras didn't call for the institution of a constitutional monarchy.

As for partisanship vs. "professionalism," journalists standing up before an appearing Tsipras would be more akin to standing up before a judge in a court of law. Real professionalism from both partisan and observant points of view is best served by standing up. :)

[Geiseric]

I wouldn't stand for any bourgeois politician, let alone that nazi fuck lunatic. I would sooner punch him than stand for him.

I doubt that he would hesitate to shoot one of us or anybody who speaks in defense of the immigrants who he wants to put in concentration camps if he had the chance.

[A Marxist Historian]

WTF does "monarchist" have to do with Greece, a constitutional republic? Last I heard, Tsipras didn't call for the institution of a constitutional monarchy.

As for partisanship vs. "professionalism," journalists standing up before an appearing Tsipras would be more akin to standing up before a judge in a court of law. Real professionalism from both partisan and observant points of view is best served by standing up. :)

Standing at attention is what soldiers are supposed to do for their officers and the commoners for the nobility and the monarchs.

If Greece is a constitutional republic, then what's this nonsense about standing for a politician?

In America, one is supposed to stand for the flag, something I am not thrilled about, and for judges, even more unfortunately, we're supposed to have trial by jury after all, not judges as little absolute mini-monarchs, but not stand for a politician, not even for the president.

You English posters did not benefit from a revolution against monarchy, you've still got one, you've even got a house of lords. And sometimes it shows.

-M.H.-

[Rainsborough]

Originally Posted by A Marxist Historian http://www.revleft.com/vb/revleft/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showthread.php?p=2448656#post2448656)
You English posters did not benefit from a revolution against monarchy, you've still got one, you've even got a house of lords. And sometimes it shows.

As one of those English posters, I agree we have made many political mistakes and reinstating the monarchy was one of them, in fact most of the ones since then have that stupidity as a foundation.

[Hit The North]

You English posters did not benefit from a revolution against monarchy, you've still got one, you've even got a house of lords. And sometimes it shows.

-M.H.-

Who is this aimed at specifically? I don't think that Die Neue Zeit is English. Isn't he American?

And, actually, as a histiorian you will know that the English had the first revolution against the monarchy and we cut off its head. Its restoration as part of a counter-revolution speaks more to the immaturity of the then English bourgeoisie, rather than any defect in the English character.


I am not an anarchist and wouldn't be for throwing eggs at Tsipras, whom many working people do support.
Fascists will always gather support from some working class people. That would be no reason to not throw eggs (or something harder) at them.


Originally posted by Yazman
Taking them seriously in the sense of them being a much more real and serious threat in Greece with 7% of the vote in a national election. This isn't just a case of some random idiots on a forum crapping on about Jews, this is serious shit now and I get that they have views that are ridiculous to us but it isn't really the time for jokes when they have managed to get into the government, even if it is only the legislative branch.

I agree. I wasn't suggesting that they should not be taken seriously, just wondering what you meant by it.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Standing at attention is what soldiers are supposed to do for their officers and the commoners for the nobility and the monarchs.

If Greece is a constitutional republic, then what's this nonsense about standing for a politician?

In America, one is supposed to stand for the flag, something I am not thrilled about, and for judges, even more unfortunately, we're supposed to have trial by jury after all, not judges as little absolute mini-monarchs, but not stand for a politician, not even for the president.

You English posters did not benefit from a revolution against monarchy, you've still got one, you've even got a house of lords. And sometimes it shows.

-M.H.-

I'm not a Brit or anywhere near Europe, but thanks for your trivia.