Class Consciousness among White Nationalists and Racists ?

[tradeunionsupporter]

Some White Supremacists claim to be for Class War and Class Struggle but I think this is wrong because Working Class Movements should welcome Workers of all Races and Skin Colors. This appeal to the White Working Class is not new White Supremacists always try to tell White Workers that the Non Whites and the Immigrants are to blame for lower wages and union busting. I think White Workers have higher wages then Black and other Non White Workers this is why White Supremacists are jut tools of the Capitalists the Rich and the Bourgeoisie. Can anyone here debunk or refute or know any website links that can debunk this claim made by any kind of Nationalists that we need to unite only the Working Class among our race skin color nation tribe or religion or ethnic group ? When a American Nationalist says he or she is fighting for the American Worker or Working Americans or Working Class America this makes me sick because why can't an American be for all Workers not just American Workers ? Why say Jobs for American Workers ? I say Jobs for all Workers American or Not. American Patriotism/Nationalism won't help American Workers.


Tom Metzger and John Jewell (1 of 4)

Tom Metzger interviews John Jewell. Jewell fought union organizing battles for the IWW (Industrial Workers of the World), and for the White Working Class.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfeSnegHc3c

Christopher Hitchens VS John And Tom Metzger

Christopher Hitchens VS John And Tom Metzger
CNBC Talk Live 1991

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7R-X1CXiI8

Race and reason welcome Wally George - Part 1

Here's a conservative who defends crooks like war profiteers and he got stumped by Tom Metzger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP9YPpGK3IQ

[Rafiq]

Why this dichtomony over "White" and "black"? The same Petite Bourgeois opportunist piss sacks said the same about White Irish immigrants, so? Wages were lowered not because some workers wanted less, but because the bourgeois class needed to maximize profit, and fast, and also destroy the proletarian movement (i.e.'discipline labor') as it was growing powerful.

In turn, they brought (maybe not intentionally) horrible poverty to parts of Mexico and as a result left workers there desperate for any sort of wages (i.e. Wages in imperialist states are more).

It was on behalf, fully of the Bourgeois class to lay off the "white" workers. So instead they should attack the system which necessiated such, instead of who they hired in turn. No one forced the Bourgeois scum to hire cheaper labor, especially those who they are enslaving (as a matter of fact, 99% only do it to prevent starvation, in a lot of third world countries there states are puppets of Imperialism, so it's hardly about their "choice" to work).

Sorry if this sounds shitty, im on tapatalk.

[tradeunionsupporter]

Thank you for your post.

[Angry Young Man]

There's always going to be mixed consciousness, because there's still a feeling of working-class identity in the lagging parts of the working class (think Ashes to Ashes and Gene Hunt's naming Alex 'Bollinger knickers'). We ran a public meeting after the day of action against workfare. There was a bloke there who agreed with what we said about strengthening unions and nationalising the banks, but he was absolutely adamant on this right-wing myth about immigration even after it was explained about undercutting labour costs.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Mixed consciousness? That's too much credit!
A "working class consciousness" that doesn't grasp the intersection of class and race, especially in the context of imperialism and/or settlerism, is no consciousness at all. The vast majority of white workers constitute themselves as a labour aristocracy against the proletariat (those "possessing nothing but their own labour-power" as Karl put it). Certainly, this is changing with austerity, but, let's face it, capitalists in the first world have historically made an effort to colour-code class, meaning "class consciousness" among white supremacists is about as authentic as the class consciousness of millionaire tea partiers whining about unfair taxation.

[Baseball]

Socialism has always had these problems with nationalism. It likes to claim it is its great enemy, but they always seem to be awash with them. It should not be surprising since the incubator of socalism- the French Revolution- was also very nationalistic in tone.

For practical reasons, its always easier organize people with whom one shares common languages, culture's history ect.

[Revolution starts with U]

Nationalist "socialists" make the fundamental mistake, tho, that it is good policy to uplift one area's working class at the expense of another's. In this sense, nationalist "socialism" is just capitalism with pro working class undertones; the extraction of surplus value claimed as their "right."

[Per Levy]

omg, baseball you're still here? havnt seen you in a while.


Socialism has always had these problems with nationalism. It likes to claim it is its great enemy, but they always seem to be awash with them. It should not be surprising since the incubator of socalism- the French Revolution- was also very nationalistic in tone.

not to burst your bubble, the french revolution was the event that started the rule of the bourgeoisie, it was a bourgeoisie revolution and it started capitalism in that thing. also you're right the french revolution was pretty nationalistic the nation state as we know it today is because of that, before the french revolution nation states like today didnt exist.


For practical reasons, its always easier organize people with whom one shares common languages, culture's history ect.

that might be true to an extent, but the iww showed that you can very much organize people of very different languages, cultures and so on.

[eric922]

omg, baseball you're still here? havnt seen you in a while.



not to burst your bubble, the french revolution was the event that started the rule of the bourgeoisie, it was a bourgeoisie revolution and it started capitalism in that thing. also you're right the french revolution was pretty nationalistic the nation state as we know it today is because of that, before the french revolution nation states like today didnt exist.



that might be true to an extent, but the iww showed that you can very much organize people of very different languages, cultures and so on.
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say the American Revolution started the rule of the bourgeoisie since it happened before the French or is there something I'm missing?

[Left Leanings]

Most of the rank and file of the White Nationalists/White Power, call them what you will, are definitely working-class. Many of them are so dejected and miserable, as to be called 'lumpen', and they are covered in what Marx called 'the muck of ages'.

The leaders of these movements, on the other hand, tend to, though not always, come from the bourgeois. Take Nick Griffin, for example, leader of the British National Party. His father is well-to-do, and was a senior official in his local Conservative Association. Griffin is toff and a posh-arse.

It is possible, however,, to get through to some of the WN, and bring them to the better way.

In the 1930s, Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists (BUF), was making significant headway, most notably in East London. In his book, Our Flag Stays Red , Phil Piratin, Communist MP for Stepney (1945-1950), outlines the working-class struggles against slum landlords and the rent strikes.

A family who were members of the BUF were going to be evicted. They simply could not afford to pay the extortionate rents the landlords demanded, and for piss-poor accommodation at that. They contacted the BUF officials in their locality. Sorry, we cannot help, was the answer they got.

Piratin organized among the tenants, and got them to mount collective opposition in support of the family of fascists. Barricades were errected, and when the bailiffs and the police arrived, they were held at bay, and got covered in mouldy flour and water for their trouble.

The stand off was successful, and the tenants were no longer in danger of eviction. The landlord backed down. And many of the people who had been supporters of the BUF in that block, tore up their BUF membership cards and withdrew their support from the fash.

It's at points like this, when workers who fall for the anti-immigrant shite promoted by the fash, realize who their real friends are. And who their real enemies are too.