View Full Version : PSL L.A. sex trolling, thuggery and organizational malaise
Prometeo liberado
15th May 2012, 02:21
I will link some old articles at the end of this but please note that the dates are irrelevant as the players remain the same. I have stated and defended the PSL on numerous occasions for their ability to organize and contribute to events put on by others. My attitude has always been, since I chose not to become a "member", to defend them as an important part of the American left. That we as leftist have bigger fish to fry. Yet as more and more ex-members and candidates refuse to keep towing the Party line certain patterns keep surfacing. Allegations of "hitting" on the new younger female members by alleged party thugs "Marcial" and "Carlos", implied thuggery by again "Marcial", intimidation from branch leader and trust-fund baby "Ian". And lastly a culture of type A personalities of ex-military vets at the top. Recently threats have been made against the membership to increase contributions or lose the office that is in "Ian's" name. With no accounting to show where funds go the membership has a legitimate concern as to the why's and where's of the membership dues.
Yet this is only one issue in regards to an entrenched leadership becoming more cult-like day by day. As one veteran put it "we used to make fun of Bob Avakian and the RCP. Now we have become them." Democratic Centralism has been all but abandoned there. And only lip service given to open debate. Simply, this is not Socialism.
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2010/06/240424_comment.php
www.phillyimc.org/en/dealing-psl-and-answer-1 (http://www.phillyimc.org/en/dealing-psl-and-answer-1)
la.indymedia.org/news/2010/06/240060_comment.php
gorillafuck
15th May 2012, 02:25
you know it's a great sign when an organization succumbs to intimidation and thuggish behavior when it is still barely known.
Prometeo liberado
15th May 2012, 02:25
Sorry to all my PSL friends/supporters here. Maybe its different in your city. I gotta go and run this out.
El Oso Rojo
15th May 2012, 02:29
I am a PSL member and I have not seen none of this go on in the party, most of these rumors are by a bitter concesding ex member.
Lucretia
15th May 2012, 02:31
I am a PSL member and I have not seen none of this go on in the party, most of these rumors are by a bitter concesding ex member.
You haven't seen none of it? Then you have seen some?
El Oso Rojo
15th May 2012, 02:33
AND these emails are just too much to be true.... someone got their take from watching to much 187 and Chicano gangsta flims.
Prometeo liberado
15th May 2012, 02:34
I am a PSL member and I have not seen none of this go on in the party, most of these rumors are by a bitter concesding ex member.
Then you are either not in the LA branch or refuse to see what happens after the Friday meetings. You want names, dates and people in the leadership to ask in LA? PM me. Dont be afraid of the truth, that shit will destroy you as an activist.
El Oso Rojo
15th May 2012, 02:41
You haven't seen none of it? Then you have seen some?
None of it. The email are just too caricuristuristic to be true. Since A and B are both spanish speakers it would make since to speak spanish, instead of this 187 inspire gangsta spanglish.
Plus this is convient since the Midwest conferance is coming up, fishy.
Os Cangaceiros
15th May 2012, 02:51
oooooooooooooohhhhhh, draaaaammmmmaaaaaa!
CAN I GET SOME ACCUSATIONS OF DISTORTING MARXISM UP IN THIS PIECE
El Oso Rojo
15th May 2012, 02:56
oooooooooooooohhhhhh, draaaaammmmmaaaaaa!
CAN I GET SOME ACCUSATIONS OF DISTORTING MARXISM UP IN THIS PIECE
rehash drama from two years ago.
gorillafuck
15th May 2012, 03:07
I am a PSL member and I have not seen none of this go on in the party, most of these rumors are by a bitter concesding ex member.are you in the LA branch?
El Oso Rojo
15th May 2012, 03:24
are you in the LA branch?
No, but this is too silly, especially those emails.
Prometeo liberado
15th May 2012, 05:18
No, but this is too silly, especially those emails.
I have to ask, since when is the level of perceived "silliness" a barometer for truth? These accusations are in fact silly and silliness has no place in a revolutionary party, correct? So why are accusations from 2009-10 still relevant today? Because they are true. I have dealt with these "pretenders" and out of some misguided sense of "not airing dirty laundry" kept my mouth shut. But as people come and go and see me at certain events the conversation keeps coming up. That miscreant Pedro or Marcial does liken himself a thug. Only this thug is soft as a suckling pig as is his understanding of Marx. A PLP flunky who ran to the PSL before the progressive Labor Party boat sank. He has creeped on young girls then and does it now. He often holds a Hip-Hop night at the PSL office where you can find him passing out free drinks, but only to comrades 19-22 years old. Ian, the trust fund baby ,whom you will find after just a brief discussion, cares nothing about the issues, party building or even the working class. That talk will be of loyalty to the branch(not the PSL). Poor Mike P. a very torn vet wanting to do the right thing but always ends up in a corner with yet a shorter female version of himself. Its not a good thing to be either female, thinker or have self respect with these people.
Ocean Seal
15th May 2012, 05:32
LA is the biggest branch right?
Prometeo liberado
15th May 2012, 05:42
LA is the biggest branch right?
From everything that Marcial/Pedro has told me, yes. I always assumed that NYC and DC had offices of their own but was told otherwise.
Rusty Shackleford
15th May 2012, 06:10
Carlos is no longer in the party.
Ocean Seal
15th May 2012, 06:15
From everything that Marcial/Pedro has told me, yes. I always assumed that NYC and DC had offices of their own but was told otherwise.
NYC has an office, but I assume that its pretty small compared to LA.
Prometeo liberado
15th May 2012, 19:01
Carlos is no longer in the party.
But the rest of the cast, Ian, Marcial/Pedro, Mike and the rest of the fraternity responsible for the ongoing sexual harassment and activist derailment are still running this tiny sectarian show. At the recent national meeting in LA they even went so far as to jockey for closer seating to Becker and Ian. Fucking embarrassing.
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