Bullying over political opinions

[DimSumMetal]

I'm not sure that's the right forum for this question, so just fix me if i'm wrong please.

This summer I'm going to fly to Berlin and then drive to Cologne and maybe The Netherlands or Italy or France.
I don't know how it goes at those places with political shirts and pins, will it be safe to walk with an Antifa logo shirt and a hat with antifa and anti-consumerism buttons (pins) on it? are there Neo-Nazis there that may find it provocative or something?
Here in Israel no one bothers but also, Antifa are less known here.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Thread moved to Mutual Aid :)

[DimSumMetal]

Thread moved to Mutual Aid :)
thanks, thought so but wasn't sure that's the right one.

[Railyon]

You may get a few strange looks (if at all), but I never heard of any outright hostility against anyone over just wearing pins and shirts. At least it's very, very uncommon in Germany. Even if people disliked it (more often than not they don't care), they won't say a word. Post-modern apathy at its best. :)

[DimSumMetal]

That's great! is it the same with the other places I mentioned?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I live in America but there was this one time some driver on the road say my anti-war T-shirt while I was walking and shouted,"Asshole!" at me.lol... no actual bullying, however.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

As far as I know people in the Netherlands don't really care.
And there aren't many neo-nazis here either.

[Tim Cornelis]

We have a total of 150 neo-nazis and another 150 fascists in the Netherlands, the chances of running into them is nihil. Though we have a lot of right-wing populists who are vocally anti-squatting/anti-antifa and call for their death, etc. But this is just on the internet I presume, I've never encountered such behaviour.

The only place you will frequently encounter right-wing extremists and "not-really-political-but-I-hate-foreigners-even-though-I've-never-met-them-because-it's-cool" skinheads is in Stadskanaal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadskanaal). But I guess you wont visit there.

[Ocean Seal]

We have a total of 150 neo-nazis and another 150 fascists in the Netherlands, the chances of running into them is nihil. Though we have a lot of right-wing populists who are vocally anti-squatting/anti-antifa and call for their death, etc. But this is just on the internet I presume, I've never encountered such behaviour.

The only place you will frequently encounter right-wing extremists and "not-really-political-but-I-hate-foreigners-even-though-I've-never-met-them-because-it's-cool" skinheads is in Stadskanaal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stadskanaal). But I guess you wont visit there.
So how is this different from fascists? Not in ideology but in whether or not they'll beat the shit out of you.

[Koba Junior]

We have a total of 150 neo-nazis and another 150 fascists in the Netherlands ...

I like how your country has exactly 300 dip-shits. And then there's all the weed. I'm in the wrong place, I think.

[Tim Cornelis]

So how is this different from fascists? Not in ideology but in whether or not they'll beat the shit out of you.

Well it's because, while calling for the death of "squatting filth", they are not really serious. It mostly originates from a website called "GeenStijl", which is like a news site version of 4chan for right-wingers/conservatives, so you can't really take them serious. It's like an internet thing. Like I said, I've never encountered any actual behaviour of sorts.

EDIT: At worse, those "GeenStijl-ists", if they see you are what one would call "squatter type" they will tell you to use deodorant. But I suspect these "GeenStijl-ists" to be mainly introvert (and compensate by being vocal on the internet).

[The Idler]

Why risk it on your holiday?

[Münchhausen]

living in cologne i can tell you it's perfectly safe around here. I've been wearing communist & anti-facist symbols for years now and the only time i was bothered was by an old lady, that didn't like my anti-christian attitude (she did compliment me for anti-facist symbol i was wearing though :laugh:)

[Rafiq]

I "bully" (troll) religious fundementalists at my school who are political. I pretend to be a satanist sometimes :lol:

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[Aloysius]

It's not exactly bullying, but an acquaintance of mine calls me a "fuckin' commie" like it's an insult.
He did call me a fascist, once, though. Damn near punched him.

[Mista Commie]

It's not exactly bullying, but an acquaintance of mine calls me a "fuckin' commie" like it's an insult.
He did call me a fascist, once, though. Damn near punched him.

Yeah, that reminds me of when I was talking to my ex before we broke up. We were talking about homophobes, and she misinterpreted what I said and thought I said I was homophobic and I said that I couldn't call myself a communist if I was. She then said that Hitler was a homophobe and a communist :glare:

[Deicide]

Isn't that the whole point of politics :lol:

I like telling liberals, conservatives, etc. Stalin was a good guy.

[LeftAbove]

I'm not sure that's the right forum for this question, so just fix me if i'm wrong please.

This summer I'm going to fly to Berlin and then drive to Cologne and maybe The Netherlands or Italy or France.
I don't know how it goes at those places with political shirts and pins, will it be safe to walk with an Antifa logo shirt and a hat with antifa and anti-consumerism buttons (pins) on it? are there Neo-Nazis there that may find it provocative or something?
Here in Israel no one bothers but also, Antifa are less known here.

I would hand out pamphlets and engage in conversation with the working class if I really wanted to get my views across; not just by wearing t-shirts or badges.

[Book O'Dead]

I'm not sure that's the right forum for this question, so just fix me if i'm wrong please.

This summer I'm going to fly to Berlin and then drive to Cologne and maybe The Netherlands or Italy or France.
I don't know how it goes at those places with political shirts and pins, will it be safe to walk with an Antifa logo shirt and a hat with antifa and anti-consumerism buttons (pins) on it? are there Neo-Nazis there that may find it provocative or something?
Here in Israel no one bothers but also, Antifa are less known here.

So you're touring these contries to do what, show your pins and T-shirts? If I were to visit other countries it would certainly not be for that. Moreover, I'd avoid attracting attention to myself so I could enjoy the sights and take in the local culture, etc.

Also, wouldn't it seem a bit presumptous to wear your political beliefs on your sleeve on the assumption that anyone else is interested in them?

[hatzel]

I would hand out pamphlets and engage in conversation with the working class if I really wanted to get my views across; not just by wearing t-shirts or badges.


So you're touring these contries to do what, show your pins and T-shirts? If I were to visit other countries it would certainly not be for that. Moreover, I'd avoid attracting attention to myself so I could enjoy the sights and take in the local culture, etc.

Also, wouldn't it seem a bit presumptous to wear your political beliefs on your sleeve on the assumption that anyone else is interested in them?

You realise this guy just...wears what he wears 'as standard,' right? As many others do, for some reason. It's not like he's planning some kind of slogan-tee-based propaganda tour; it's just a holiday :laugh:

[DimSumMetal]

I wear the shirts and pins as standart and just wanted to make sure they won't cause any trouble.
It's not a crusade to make the world antifascist, it's just a damn vacation.

[Book O'Dead]

You realise this guy just...wears what he wears 'as standard,' right? As many others do, for some reason. It's not like he's planning some kind of slogan-tee-based propaganda tour; it's just a holiday :laugh:

Yeah, I sort of got that from the start.

Maybe, just maybe, it would also be possible to take a holiday from one's political affections. That kind of thing gives us the opportunity to regard ourselves and the world we want from a safe distance.

[Book O'Dead]

I wear the shirts and pins as standart and just wanted to make sure they won't cause any trouble.
It's not a crusade to make the world antifascist, it's just a damn vacation.


I hope you have a great vacation! I've been to Europe only once in my life and only to two countries where I worked for a little over a year. It all seems now like a dream (hashish will do that, I guess).

Unless you're taking the opportunity of your holiday to get a good feel of regional politics, or maybe more exposure (in case you feel isolated in your own country--unlikely, being Israel and all) you might consider taking a brief holiday from your political views, if only to get a better, more dispassionate sense of the world around you... Just an idea.

[DimSumMetal]

I hope you have a great vacation! I've been to Europe only once in my life and only to two countries where I worked for a little over a year. It all seems now like a dream (hashish will do that, I guess).

Unless you're taking the opportunity of your holiday to get a good feel of regional politics, or maybe more exposure (in case you feel isolated in your own country--unlikely, being Israel and all) you might consider taking a brief holiday from your political views, if only to get a better, more dispassionate sense of the world around you... Just an idea.
well... I go to Europe once a year (my father lives at Berlin), it's not a "once in a lifetime" thing.
Also, I'm not really planning on any demonstrations or something like that, just visiting places.
I don't think pins or shirts will cause any trouble, and you guys (and girls/bigenders/a-genders?) just assured it.
Just to be on the safe side, if i'll see any boneheads or something i will zip up my coat.

Thanks

[Comrades Unite!]

I'm not sure that's the right forum for this question, so just fix me if i'm wrong please.

This summer I'm going to fly to Berlin and then drive to Cologne and maybe The Netherlands or Italy or France.
I don't know how it goes at those places with political shirts and pins, will it be safe to walk with an Antifa logo shirt and a hat with antifa and anti-consumerism buttons (pins) on it? are there Neo-Nazis there that may find it provocative or something?
Here in Israel no one bothers but also, Antifa are less known here.

I'd say you would be fine.
Many people really don't care if you wear Communist badges and it's highly unlikely of you to run into Neo-Nazi's