Fascism and Nazi

[NorwegianCommunist]

When Hitler controlled Germany it was with the Nazi party (National Socialism)
But many people also call his control as fascist.
My question is, fascism and Nazism, what's the difference?

Does fascist parties support socialism?

[Sasha]

Nazism is a strain of fascism..
So while nazism is a form of fascism, fascism is not nazism.

Also there where different wings under the Nazi's, in practice it ended up as full blown fascism, as propagated by the "SS" faction who won the internal powerstruggle but lots of the rhetoric was still heavily influenced by the once powerful more national-bolshevik "SA" wing.

[gorillafuck]

Nazism is a strain of fascism..
So while nazism is a form of fascism, fascism is not nazism.

Also there where different wings under the Nazi's, in practice it ended up as full blown fascism, as propagated by the "SS" faction who won the internal powerstruggle but lots of the rhetoric was still heavily influenced by the once powerful more national-bolshevik "SA" wing.the SA were still full blown fascists.

[Rafiq]

It's a bit complicated.

Nazi Germany was first and foremost a capitalist state. It still retained the captialist mode of production and so on. Contrary to Liberalism, a mutation formed of (liberalism) that is commonly referred to Fascism, i.e. We know, last resort of the Bourgeois class and so on. Fascism can be categorized both by the way in which the Bourgeois class regulates capital, and organizes itself politically, and the ideology rhetoric, which is a product of such. Just as Stalinism was different in several countries, so is "Fascism", i.e. The Phalange of Spain, the Fascism of Italy, and the Nazism of Germany.

[Sasha]

the SA were still full blown fascists.

I disagree, at least, sure they where fascist but not only lots of other ideologies influenced nazism, you could put different fascist movements itself also on a sort of right - left line "SS - Franco - mussolini - SA - peron"

[gorillafuck]

I disagree, at least, sure they where fascist but not only lots of other ideologies influenced nazism, you could put different fascist movements itself also on a sort of right - left line "SS - Franco - mussolini - SA - peron"they were much more economically left fascists, but the "left" of a fascist party are still full blown fascists.

[Sasha]

Is the right of the communist movement still communist in your opinion?

Can you explain to me what exactly would be the uncrossable divide between strasserism and authoritarian state socialism?

[NorwegianCommunist]

Fascism, is that ideology sexist?
Do they support less payment for women? Do women get less rights when it comes to education or when trying to get a job?

[Sasha]

in practice yes, fundamentally not nescecary. fascism is primairly an economic ideaology, while there are certainly economic reasons it where often other reasons that made fascist movements sexist. franco's fascism and belgium rexism was very catholic, italy was and remains offcourse also an deeply patriarchal society, nazism was really into this whole racial "mothers need to be baby factories for the aryan race" thing etc etc.

[Rafiq]

Is the right of the communist movement still communist in your opinion?

Can you explain to me what exactly would be the uncrossable divide between strasserism and authoritarian state socialism?

"Authoritarian State Socialism" isn't inherently bourgeois... But that's a whole nother topic.

I see your point though. No, not much divides Stalinism and Strasserism, as both are Left of capital Bourgeois ideology.

The point is not where they reside on the "political spectrum" or how "Authoritarian" they are, the point, is of whose class interest they serve. Strasserism is inherently petite bourgeois while Soviet Stalinism is bourgeois (serving capital).

[Koba Junior]

So called "National Socialism" is, as has been said, a strain of fascism. Mussolini may not have stressed the importance of race as much as Hitler did, but the two ideologies are extremely close.

[Astarte]

The thing with even these "left" variants of fascism is they all left capitalist property relations in place, and even bolstered and adhered capitalist power more firmly to that of the state ... they all were reactionary movements with a disaffected petty-bourgeois being puppeteered by the industrial-financial bourgeoisie as the motor force of the movement positioned against genuine workers' movements.

Really just total-state Keynesianism emerging after a crisis of capitalism with the purpose of defeating/preventing workers' revolution.

[OnlyCommunistYouKnow]

The main difference is national socialism centers more on genetics and keeps fascist large government ideas, while fascism is more about large government and doesn't care as much about genetics.

[campesino]

I disagree, at least, sure they where fascist but not only lots of other ideologies influenced nazism, you could put different fascist movements itself also on a sort of right - left line "SS - Franco - mussolini - SA - peron"

this post made me look-up on wikipedia the SA and other leftist nazis, even joseph goebbels, it said both were socialist. It said goebbels was disappointed when hitler called socialism "a jewish creation."

which leads to my question is Fascism
1. capitalist-authoritarian
2. authoritarian nationalism
3. socialist nationalism

[Sasha]

A bit of all 3 if you would (wrongly) assume you could have socialism for some and not for others...

[Rafiq]

this post made me look-up on wikipedia the SA and other leftist nazis, even joseph goebbels, it said both were socialist. It said goebbels was disappointed when hitler called socialism "a jewish creation."

which leads to my question is Fascism
1. capitalist-authoritarian
2. authoritarian nationalism
3. socialist nationalism

None. Fascism is the ideological last resort of the Bourgeois class. It isn't any more Authoritarian then the Liberalist capitalism we see across the Western World.