"Anti-Authoritarians" Trying to Steal the People's Booze

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

So, I have recently been reading books about the Soviet Union during the Marxist-Leninist era (during the time Stalin was in power) and a lot of these books talk about workers drinking when things were going bad, to use one example. The point is that they were drinking. I always thought that alcohol was illegal during the Stalin era, but then I also remembered that there is a lot of videos in which Stalin himself is drinking. For example:
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So, I decided to research anti-alcohol movements during the Soviet Union's history. I discovered that the retail sale of alcohol had been restricted from the start of WWI (Russian Empire) to 1925 (the same year Stalin gained most of his power) and that the retail sale of vodka had been stopped completely during the same time period. But then, alcohol was legalized, at the same time the evil authoritarian Stalin came to power! Alcohol was legal throughout the entire Stalin era (except in a few places during WWII), but then he died and a few years later, the anti-Stalinist hero of da pplz, Khrushchev, came to power and . . . . . . . started an anti-alcohol campaign in 1958.


Prohibition continued through the turmoil of the Russian Revolution of 1917 and the Russian Civil War, into the period of Soviet Russia and the Soviet Union until 1925.
In the Soviet Union, there were three major anti-alcohol campaigns: started in 1958, in 1972, and in 1985.

Gorbachev prohibition campaign

During 1985-1987 Mikhail Gorbachev carried out an anti-alcohol campaign with partial prohibition, colloquially known as the "dry law". Prices of vodka, wine and beer were raised, and their sales were restricted in amount and time of day. People who were caught drunk at work or in public were prosecuted.
The reform had an effect on alcoholism in the country, as evident from statistics showing some fall in criminality and rise in life expectancy, but economically it was a serious blow to the state budget (a loss of approximately 100 billion rubles to the exchequer according to Alexander Yakovlev) after alcohol production migrated to the black market economy.


So, we can easily see, by the years that I highlighted, that each anti-authoritarian Soviet leader (*cough**cough*also revisionist leaders*cough**cough*) started their own anti-alcohol campaigns. Gorbachev, the most liberal of them all, hit alcohol the hardest. It's just interesting to note that the evil (!!!1!11!!!1!!) authoritarian Stalin never did this, but the anti-Stalinist, anti-authoritarian Soviet heroes of the people did.

[Bronco]

Well yeah, we'd probably all agree that prohibition is dumb

[Krano]

People who were caught drunk at work or in public were prosecuted.
Farming while drunk isn't as easy as it sounds.

[Offbeat]

Oh right, so he wasn't authoritarian after all because alcohol was legal. That settles that.

[Caj]

The Stalinists seem to be getting desperate. "Come on, guys. Stalin wasn't that bad. He legalized alcohol!"

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Oh right, so he wasn't authoritarian after all because alcohol was legal. That settles that.

No, just that people were at least allowed to drink.

[Koba Junior]

Farming while drunk isn't as easy as it sounds.

It doesn't sound awfully easy to begin with.

[Paulappaul]

No, just that people were at least allowed to drink.

That luxury that people have had for thousands of years? This thread is a joke right?

[Koba Junior]

That luxury that people have had for thousands of years? This thread is a joke right?

Serious attempts were made at depriving people of that luxury.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

That luxury that people have had for thousands of years? This thread is a joke right?

It was originally meant to be, but I researched . . . so it's not a joke anymore. It's just ironic to note that the leaders who tried to "liberate" Soviet society were not letting people drink.

[Paulappaul]

Serious attempts were made at depriving people of that luxury.

Attempts have been made in all Capitalist countries, the Soviet Union including, and have been subsequently tossed out the window.


It's just ironic to note that the leaders who tried to "liberate" Soviet society were not letting people drink. It is mostly an attack against the revisionist Marxist-Leninists. Good job, Revisionist or not you are both Authoritarian assholes.

[piet11111]

Farming while drunk isn't as easy as it sounds.

Maybe with practice ;)

[Koba Junior]

Attempts have been made in all Capitalist countries, the Soviet Union including, and have been subsequently tossed out the window.

The point of this post was to demonstrate that those who fancied themselves anti-authoritarian were making serious attempts at depriving people of a basic right they've had for literally thousands of years.


Good job, Revisionist or not you are both Authoritarian assholes.

Ah, RevLeft, you lol me so.

[Paulappaul]

The point of this post was to demonstrate that those who fancied themselves anti-authoritarian were making serious attempts at depriving people of a basic right they've had for literally thousands of years....my point was that the dichotomy in Soviet Society between "Authoritarian" and "Anti -Authoritarian" is bullshit, and that its no coincidence that bourgeois policies pursed in the Soviet Union were likewise being pursued in the rest of the Western hemisphere.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

...my point was that the dichotomy in Soviet Society between "Authoritarian" and "Anti -Authoritarian" is bullshit, and that its no coincidence that bourgeois policies pursed in the Soviet Union were likewise being pursued in the rest of the Western hemisphere.

But the funny thing to note is that while the United States had Prohibition during peacetime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States), Stalin's Soviet Union did not.

[Koba Junior]

...my point was that the dichotomy in Soviet Society between "Authoritarian" and "Anti -Authoritarian" is bullshit, and that its no coincidence that bourgeois policies pursed in the Soviet Union were likewise being pursued in the rest of the Western hemisphere.

That was exactly the original point, in fact.

[Omsk]

The Stalinists seem to be getting desperate. "Come on, guys. Stalin wasn't that bad. He legalized alcohol!"


How absurd.

Why would Marxist-Leninists try to 'justify' or attempt to reach an "acquittal" in this entire matter?

As for Comrade Commistar; you should have mentioned the monumental leaps in education and the Soviet society as a whole,not minor things such as this one.

[Tim Cornelis]

This is beyond ridiculous. What is this supposed to prove? I hope even Marxist-Leninists will find this entire thread is ridiculous.

EDIT:

The Zapatistas have banned alcohol. They are worse than Stalin!

I'm going to use this fact to argue with liberals:

Liberal: You're a communist? But Stalin killed 60 million people!
Me: He wasn't a tyrant, he legalised alcohol.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

As for Comrade Commistar; you should have mentioned the monumental leaps in education and the Soviet society as a whole,not minor things such as this one.


No. A lot of people here like to drink, so this is a perfect way to get their attention. :cool:

You do a thread like that.

And my name isn't Comrade Commistar. That guy was killed in the great Anti-Ultraleft War.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

This is beyond ridiculous. What is this supposed to prove? I hope even Marxist-Leninists will find this entire thread is ridiculous.

This took serious research. I had to go on Wikipedia! Stop trying to undermine my intellectual work!

[Igor]

hey guys i found something stalin didn't ban and you guys call him authoritarian!

are you sure that's the road you want to pick trying to present stalin in a better light? :P

[seventeethdecember2016]

The Stalinists seem to be getting desperate. "Come on, guys. Stalin wasn't that bad. He legalized alcohol!"
The style of that premise isn't dissimilar to degenerate claims that come from Anarchists and Ultra-Leftists.

A claim that Stalin isn't Authoritarian for allowing Alcohol is similar to someone saying Stalin is Homophobic for punishing Homosexuality during an era when it was unheard of to allow it. These are all simple speculations, and they should be disregarded as such.

So I suggest you hold off on your convictions.

[gorillafuck]

where have you ever seen anybody refer to any post-Stalin leader of the USSR as "anti-authoritarian"?


A claim that Stalin isn't Authoritarian for allowing Alcohol is similar to someone saying Stalin is Homophobic for punishing Homosexuality during an era when it was unheard of to allow it.unheard of to allow it? it was completely legal during Lenins time.

also, this comparison doesn't make sense at all. since criminalization of alcohol is not what makes someone "authoritarian" or "non-authoritarian", whereas it is impossible to punish homosexuality without it being a homophobic policy. and Stalin enacted a homophobic policy (he was not continuing previous policy, he enacted new anti-homosexual policy), therefore he was homophobic.

[Koba Junior]

it was completely legal during Lenins time.

Untrue: during Lenin's time, all homosexual activity was identified as "pederasty," which was illegal.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

where have you ever seen anybody refer to any post-Stalin leader of the USSR as "anti-authoritarian"?

That's how they looked at themselves as. Khrushchev fought against the remaining "Stalinism" in the CPSU and "liberalized" the Soviet culture; Brezhnev fought against "rightist" deviations in the CPSU; and Gorbachev . . . do I really need to explain Gorbachev, the supreme liberator of the Soviet people.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

So the distinction between authoritarian and anti-authoritarian comes down to what you're able to consume. Kind of reminds me of how neo-liberals such as Friedman when talking about countries like Chile where they were trying his bs, he justified their dictatorships by saying they were implementing his idea of capitalism, which was enough freedom.

[gorillafuck]

Untrue: during Lenin's time, all homosexual activity was identified as "pederasty," which was illegal.source?

[gorillafuck]

That's how they looked at themselves as. Khrushchev fought against the remaining "Stalinism" in the CPSU and "liberalized" the Soviet culture; Brezhnev fought against "rightist" deviations in the CPSU; and Gorbachev . . . do I really need to explain Gorbachev, the supreme liberator of the Soviet people.I am talking about people here. the only supporters of Khruschev and Brezhnev are the marxist-leninists who are not anti-revisionist. and they have never referred to these people as "anti-authoritarian".

[seventeethdecember2016]

unheard of to allow it? it was completely legal during Lenins time.
I was referring to the world in general. Also, getting rid of some Czarist laws doesn't exactly mean that it was 'legal.'


also, this comparison doesn't make sense at all. since criminalization of alcohol is not what makes someone "authoritarian" or "non-authoritarian"
I was comparing the degeneracy of claims, not whether they were Authoritarian or not. I suggest you read more thoroughly before you type.

whereas it is impossible to punish homosexuality without it being a homophobic policy. and Stalin enacted a homophobic policy (he was not continuing previous policy, he enacted new anti-homosexual policy), therefore he was homophobic.
So I guess that means that Stalin wasn't Homophobic prior to the 1930s. You are also taking a big risk on claiming that it was STALIN, and not Central Bureaucrats, who lobbied for Homosexuals to be punished.
If Stalin allowed it for so many years after Lenin's death, what makes you think he cared the slightest whether Homosexuals were free or not.

[gorillafuck]

I was referring to the world in general. Also, getting rid of some Czarist laws doesn't exactly mean that it was 'legal.'I know it was unheard of in the world in general. which is why he would be cut slack if it had not previously been legal. but the position on homosexuality that was present in the ussr when he inherited its leadership was progressive, therefore the rest of the world is not an excuse at all.


I was comparing the degeneracy of claims, not whether they were Authoritarian or not. I suggest you read more thoroughly before you type.I suggest the same to you. because I was showing you why the comparison you were making does not make sense.


So I guess that means that Stalin wasn't Homophobic prior to the 1930s.no, that doesn't mean that. it just means he did not reverse policy until the 1930's.


You are also taking a big risk on claiming that it was STALIN, and not Central Bureaucrats, who lobbied for Homosexuals to be punished.this is a valid point. but did he have the ability to stop the re-implementation of homophobic policy? I honestly don't know, enlighten me.

[seventeethdecember2016]

I know it was unheard of in the world in general. which is why he would be cut slack if it had not previously been legal. but the position on homosexuality that was present in the ussr when he inherited its leadership was progressive, therefore the rest of the world is not an excuse at all.
Well, don't forget that it wasn't legal in all Soviet Republics, so you can't say it was legal in the Soviet Union. It was also just Defacto Legal in Lenin's time. It should also be noted that it was the Provisional Government, and not the Bolsheviks, who repelled the Czarist laws.



I suggest the same to you. because I was showing you why the comparison you were making does not make sense.
Since this is an arena, where nonsense flies left and right, it is fair to compare one person's nonsense(apologizes to Comrade Commissar) to anothers. These are just subjective views, as I intended, to show a bit of irony in Caj's criticisms.


no, that doesn't mean that. it just means he did not reverse policy until the 1930's.
I can't find a single source that verifies a trace of Homophobia in him prior to the 1930s.


this is a valid point. but did he have the ability to stop the re-implementation of homophobic policy? I honestly don't know, enlighten me.
There was such a thing as Democratic Centrism under Stalin, so if the policies were popular, there was no way he was going to jeopardize his political career. Homosexuality was banned in the Georgian SSR, so perhaps that had some influence of Stalin's decision.

[gorillafuck]

Well, don't forget that it wasn't legal in all Soviet Republics, so you can't say it was legal in the Soviet Union. It was also just Defacto Legal in Lenin's time. It should also be noted that it was the Provisional Government, and not the Bolsheviks, who repelled the Czarist laws.no, it was de jure legal. and it doesn't matter who repealed them, what matters is that it was legal before stalin came to power.

and I did not hear of the provisional government decriminalizing homosexuality.


I can't find a single source that verifies a trace of Homophobia in him prior to the 1930s.I don't see how lateness in implementing policies is relevant.

[ridethejetski]

Well, this outweighs the mass executions, labour camps, forced population transfers etc

But yeah, I hate the whole idea of prohibition though.

[ridethejetski]

So the distinction between authoritarian and anti-authoritarian comes down to what you're able to consume. Kind of reminds me of how neo-liberals such as Friedman when talking about countries like Chile where they were trying his bs, he justified their dictatorships by saying they were implementing his idea of capitalism, which was enough freedom.

While this thread is bullshit, I do think the banning of alcohol and similar substances does show some sort of authoritarianism. It's basically a group of politicians deciding that they know better and can ban the consumption of something by workers.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I thought this thread was going to be about anarchists sneaking into people's houses and making off with their booze.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I thought this thread was going to be about anarchists sneaking into people's houses and making off with their booze.

This thread was meant to cause people to party like it's 1938, not 1985.

[Rusty Shackleford]

The Stalinists seem to be getting desperate. "Come on, guys. Stalin wasn't that bad. He legalized alcohol!"
lol at italicized.

[Fawkes]

this thread is so stupid

[Rusty Shackleford]

this thread is so stupid
totes

[Zealot]

People are missing the point which wasn't "Stalin legalised alcohol and therefore he wasn't a dictator" but that he was always under the impression that alcohol had been made illegal under Stalin when the truth is that he actually legalised it and the anti-alcohol campaigns didn't start until Stalin was dead.

This thread is in non-political by the way. People taking shit seriously.

[Caj]

lol at italicized.

I'm sorry, Marxists-Leninists, even though you guys are neither Marxists nor Leninists.

[Koba Junior]

I'm sorry, Marxists-Leninists, even though you guys are neither Marxists nor Leninists.

Oh, joy! More of this bullshit.

[Fawkes]

People are missing the point which wasn't "Stalin legalised alcohol and therefore he wasn't a dictator" but that he was always under the impression that alcohol had been made illegal under Stalin when the truth is that he actually legalised it and the anti-alcohol campaigns didn't start until Stalin was dead.

This thread is in non-political by the way. People taking shit seriously.

No, my amusement stems more from the fact that there's even a single person on earth stupid enough to make the argument that any of the Soviet leaders were "anti-authoritarian"

[Caj]

Oh, joy! More of this bullshit.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Some people just don't understand the point of this thread.

It was created to highlight the irony of the fact that the post-Stalin Soviet leaders who tried to style themselves as the anti-Stalinist liberators of the people did such an authoritarian thing. God, if it's anything, it's an attack against the revisionists (which it isn't even). Some of you have to chill.

[Rusty Shackleford]

I'm sorry, Marxists-Leninists, even though you guys are neither Marxists nor Leninists.
lol's all i gotsta say.



everyone here as a persecution complex it seems, and im one of them too probably. its as if, for some, all the trotskyists or all the anarchists or all the marxist-leninists are out to get all of us

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

lol's all i gotsta say.



everyone here as a persecution complex it seems, and im one of them too probably. its as if, for some, all the trotskyists or all the anarchists or all the marxist-leninists are out to get all of us

Yes, we are all out to get the Brezhnevites. None of you party as hard as us Stalinist MLs. Now, time to dig up dirt on Tito.

[Rusty Shackleford]

only on revleft and facebook have i ever heard anyone attack another person as a brezhnevite. i dont know if im getting cynical, or if im just tired childish cliques.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

only on revleft and facebook have i ever heard anyone attack another person as a brezhnevite. i dont know if im getting cynical, or if im just tired childish cliques.

lol, you Brezys are so serious. Loosen up, I was joking. :)

[Misanthrope]

But the funny thing to note is that while the United States had Prohibition during peacetime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States), Stalin's Soviet Union did not.

Why is that funny?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Why is that funny?

Oh Jesus Christ, I had the word "funny" in that sentence!!!! Purge me.

[Obs]

only on revleft and facebook have i ever heard anyone attack another person as a brezhnevite. i dont know if im getting cynical, or if im just tired childish cliques.
I actually personally know people who use it as part of their day-to-day lexicon. In Denmark, of all places.

Leftists are fucking weird.

[An archist]

anti-authoritarian Soviet leader (*cough**cough*also revisionist leaders*cough**cough*) started their own anti-alcohol campaigns. Gorbachev, the most liberal of them all, hit alcohol the hardest. It's just interesting to note that the evil (!!!1!11!!!1!!) authoritarian Stalin never did this, but the anti-Stalinist, anti-authoritarian Soviet heroes of the people did.
:laugh:

[Misanthrope]

Oh Jesus Christ, I had the word "funny" in that sentence!!!! Purge me.

You're obviously saying it's funny as in ironic because America is popularly perceived as "free". Well, a state is a state, a coercive apparatus that rules through force whether the people are drunk or not

[Railyon]

Also drunk people don't resist the iron fist of the state in any coherent manner, mindblowing isn't it?

[gorillafuck]

Some people just don't understand the point of this thread.

It was created to highlight the irony of the fact that the post-Stalin Soviet leaders who tried to style themselves as the anti-Stalinist liberators of the people did such an authoritarian thing. God, if it's anything, it's an attack against the revisionists (which it isn't even). Some of you have to chill.I don't think I ever even heard of the people you're referring to refer to themselves as "anti-authoritarians".

[WanderingCactus]

This thread makes me want to start drinking.

[Per Levy]

Untrue: during Lenin's time, all homosexual activity was identified as "pederasty," which was illegal.

homosexuality was actually complete and totally legal for over 10 years until it was criminalized during the 30s:


The authorities in tsarist Russia avoided enforcing the law against upper-class homosexuals. There was no major homosexual scandal in pre-1917 Russia to match those of Britain's Oscar Wilde, Austria-Hungary's Colonel Alfred Redl, or the German Prince Eulenberg. Powerful supporters of the Romanov dynasty, and members ofthe tsar's family, were flagrantly gay, andreceived patronage and immunity from the throne. Yet when thegovernment drafted a new criminal code — never to be adopted — in 1903, it continued to criminalize male homosexuality.

When revolution came in 1917, theProvisional Government wanted to enact the 1903 criminal code, but lost power to the Bolsheviks, who abrogated all tsarist law in November 1917. Until 1922 there was no written criminal law.
During this interval successive codes were drafted and discarded.

All of these drafts, beginning with the first written in early 1918 by the Bolsheviks' coalition partners, the Left Socialist Revolutionaries, and continuing with versions drafted in1920-21 by Bolshevik jurists and a consultant from the Cheka, decriminalized homosexuality. The first Soviet criminal code of 1922 and the revision of this code in1926 both confirmed the legality of voluntary same-sex relations.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/a-russian-history-of-homophobia/455804.html

[Koba Junior]

homosexuality was actually complete and totally legal for over 10 years until it was criminalized during the 30s

That isn't entirely accurate. Homosexual acts were not themselves against the law, according to the letter of the law. However, in those times, homosexuality was often conflated with "pederasty," laws against which persisted in Lenin's time.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

I would much rather drink with comrade Stalin than with Breznev or any of the Breznevite scums:cool:

[gorillafuck]

That isn't entirely accurate. Homosexual acts were not themselves against the law, according to the letter of the law. However, in those times, homosexuality was often conflated with "pederasty," laws against which persisted in Lenin's time.how does the persistence of de facto discrimination in any way justify stalin implementing de jure discrimination?

[Koba Junior]

how does the persistence of de facto discrimination in any way justify stalin implementing de jure discrimination?

I'd be very interested in seeing where, exactly, I said discrimination was justified by anything at all.

[gorillafuck]

I'd be very interested in seeing where, exactly, I said discrimination was justified by anything at all.are you not saying these things to try to show that it's not quite as bad that stalin implemented de jure discrimination on the basis of sexuality?

if not then I apologize.

[Koba Junior]

are you not saying these things to try to show that it's not quite as bad that stalin implemented de jure discrimination on the basis of sexuality?

if not then I apologize.

I was saying that things weren't so great for the non-heteros pretty much across the board.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Don't think anybody is calling the Marxist-Leninist, statist revisionists Kruschev, Brezhnev et al. anti-authoritarians. Besides, the OP demonstrates the worst kind of great-man theorising.

I know this is a non-political sub-forum, but this thread sucks, big time.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Don't think anybody is calling the Marxist-Leninist, statist revisionists Kruschev, Brezhnev et al. anti-authoritarians. Besides, the OP demonstrates the worst kind of great-man theorising.

I know this is a non-political sub-forum, but this thread sucks, big time.

KThanx.

It's time to party like it's 1936.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090221235315/uncyclopedia/images/5/5d/Stalin_Jamming.gif

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I must commend Stalin for this, in this one act he shows his generosity and mercy to the proletariat and peasantry in that had I lived in Stalin-era SU, I'd probably want to be blind stinking drunk too.

[hatzel]

Some people don't even believe that there used to be Marxist-Leninists who weren't necessarily massive tools. They flat out refuse to believe it, no lies...

[MustCrushCapitalism]

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/04/24/yeltsin_drink_gallery__315x400,0.jpg
I don't feel the need to discuss Yeltsin's relevance to the topic, just look at that picture.

[Comrade Samuel]

A deep intellectual discussion on the Soviet Union's policies on alchohol?

Fuck that shit a tendancy war sound 20X more fun and it doesent make my brain hurt so much! In all fairness we did have a pretty good dry streak there.

Here I'll just fix this here...

http://littlebylisten.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/accident.png

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/04/24/yeltsin_drink_gallery__315x400,0.jpg
I don't feel the need to discuss Yeltsin's relevance to the topic, just look at that picture.

Yeah but you see when Yelstin drinks booze, it's clearly bourgeois decadence (look at the glass for fuck's sake). When Stalin does it, it's for the people, the proletariat, the peasantry and the intelligentsia.

There is obviously a marked difference between the two.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

According to further research, Brezhnev also knew how to partay, perhaps even better than Stalin. This is for all my Brezhies out there:

So, it was a calm Saturday afternoon and Brezhnev was just chillin' in his 1 mile long Kremlin swimming pool . . .
http://englishrussia.com/images/brezhnev.jpg

when he decided that he wanted to party in East Germany that night. He got out of the pool and hit up his homie, Erich Honecker . . .
http://www.arabnewsblog.net/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/4801e_tumblr_lrea7c5RVC1qbrh9go1_400.jpg
Brezhnev: Are you ready to party?
Honecker: I'm ready to party! Are you ready to party?
Brezhnev: I'm ready to party! Are you ready to party?
Honecker: I'm ready to party! Are you ready to party?
Brezhnev: I'm ready to party! Are you ready to party?
Honecker: Shut up and meet me in East Berlin at 8:00 PM sharp.
Brezhnev: Kk I'll be there.

It was time for Brezhnev to get dressed for da partay.
http://www.robertamsterdam.com/brezhnev.jpg
"I must wear this hat," He told himself. "For the sake of the Soviet people."

So, Brezhnev got to East Berlin on time and was surprised to see Castro there . . .
http://www.allrussias.com/images/brezhnev_05.jpg

It was now epic partay time! With the help of the magical powers of East German consumer socialism, Brezhnev got so hammered that he ended up kissing Honecker in front of their wives!
http://iconicphotos.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/breznev_honecker_kissing.jpg?w=700
*GASP*
Now it was really a partay and Brezhnev drank all the alcohol he fought to take away from the Soviet people!!

Then he tried some PCP, jumped out a window, and died.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/A_dead_Brezhnev.jpg
THE END

On second thought, maybe prohibition is a good idea.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

only on revleft and facebook have i ever heard anyone attack another person as a brezhnevite. i dont know if im getting cynical, or if im just tired childish cliques.
Dude I still have no idea what that actually means. You support Brezhnev or something? What's so horrible about that if you support Stalin? It's like Stalin is cool, socialist and everything, but then Khrushchev comes into power and the Soviet Union is no longer socialist or something and nothing they did after is supportable. But STALIN is okay!

[Doflamingo]

After reading this entire thread, I've concluded that this thread wins the "dumbest thread of the day" award. congratulations!