Sabocat
9th December 2003, 11:06
In the 50's he was a rat for the CIA, turning in fellow actors to face the McCarthy "inquisitions".
The right wing loved him because he was a jingoistic puppet, and a total partner to corporate imperialism.
One can only hope that he has a prolonged agonizing death.
Crusader 4 da truth
9th December 2003, 14:13
Sandino111 its not just conservatives right wingers of all shades, pelo-conservatives, neo-conservatives, the religious right, libertarians and even some democrats (notably the blue dogs and the Scope Jackson wing) regard him with fondness. This is because they all see their ideology in him. If the plethora of books being published about the man is an indication a great many Americans are rediscovering him in the twilight of his life.
Reagan stood for two great principles in his presidency the expansion of liberty at home he was the first president to articulate that government is not the solution to man’s problems government is the problem. He presided over 93 consecutive months of economic boom, the biggest peace time economic expansion in U.S. history.
Second combating against tyranny abroad. He dubbed the Soviet Union the “evil empire” and stood up to them at Reykjavik perused SDI and modernized our missiles in Europe (Thatcher and Helmut Kohl had a part in this as well) , this unprecedented build stressed the Soviets to the breaking point.
If you want to know more about him why not go to the source Reagan: A Life in Letters (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/074321966X/qid=1070980176/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/102-2566421-1363322?v=glance&n=507846) is a compilation of letters he wrote through out his life
Sandino111
11th December 2003, 06:21
"Second combating against tyranny abroad"
You fail to mention the illegal war he funded in Nicaragua and his death squads in El Salvador. To my Latin American brothers and sisters he is the American Osama Bin Laden! This great man helped kill thousands of people. :angry:
Loknar
11th December 2003, 07:11
Guys, let s look at this realistically; there was a cold war. Both asides competed against each other for dominance and the CIA and KGB, were equally treacherous and the SU and America were equally as treacherous., There was no right and wrong, remember, each nation sees things in black and white: There is 'how it is' and 'how it should be'.
EneME
11th December 2003, 08:09
Originally posted by
[email protected] 11 2003, 07:21 AM
"Second combating against tyranny abroad"
You fail to mention the illegal war he funded in Nicaragua and his death squads in El Salvador. To my Latin American brothers and sisters he is the American Osama Bin Laden! This great man helped kill thousands of people. :angry:
YES absolutely....He funded and actually RAISED financial help to the Salvadoran military to help massacre more ppl. He's like Hitler to Salvadorans...and I'm seriously a morally correct person who wouldn't hurt a fly nor am I violent, so all I have to say is "what goes around comes around." His suffering right now is absolutely nothing compared to the suffering he has caused....and I do NOT feel sorry for him, in the least.
He also gutted so many social services and fucked up the American working poor because he believed in the "trickle down" affect, which is such bullshit. How can ppl look up to such a horrible person?
SonofRage
11th December 2003, 08:34
I will have a great feeling of peace in my heart when Reagan finally leaves this world. It will be good to know that a man who has caused so much harm is no longer among us.
RedCeltic
11th December 2003, 09:01
Well, why not hear from the horse's mouth...here are a few jems of wisdom from Reagan:
"I never knew anything above Cs."
--President Reagan, in a moment of truthfulness, describes his academic record to Barbara Walters, November 27, 1981
"They told stories about how inattentive and inept the President was.... They said he wouldn't come to work--all he wanted to do was to watch movies and television at the residence."
--Jim Cannon (an aide to Howard Baker) reporting what Reagan's underlings told him, Landslide: The Unmaking of the President: 1984-88
"This President is treated by both the press and foreign leaders as if he were a child.... It is major news when he honors a political or economic discussion with a germane remark and not an anecdote about his Hollywood days."
--Columnist Richard Cohen
"What planet is he living on?"
--President Mitterand of France poses this question about Reagan to Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau.
"He demonstrated for all to see how far you can go in this life with a smile, a shoeshine and the nerve to put your own spin on the facts."
--David Nyhan, Boston Globe columnist
"an amiable dunce"
--Clark Clifford (former Defense Secretary)
"Poor dear, there's nothing between his ears."
--British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher
"...like reinventing the wheel."
--Larry Speakes (Reagan's former press secretary) describing what it was like preparing the President for a press conference, Speaking Out: The Reagan Presidency from Inside the White House
"The task of watering the arid desert between Reagan's ears is a challenging one for his aides."
--Columnist David Broder
"He has the ability to make statements that are so far outside the parameters of logic that they leave you speechless"
--Patti Davis (formerly Patricia Ann Reagan), talking about her father, The Way I See It
"This loathing for government, this eagerness to prove that any program to aid the disadvantaged is nothing but a boondoggle and a money gobbler, leads him to contrive statistics and stories with unmatched vigor."
--Mark Green, Reagan's Reign of Error
"President Reagan doesn't always check the facts before he makes statements, and the press accepts this as kind of amusing."
--former president Jimmy Carter, March 6, 1984
"His errors glide past unchallenged. At one point...he alleged that almost half the population gets a free meal from the government each day. No one told him he was crazy. The general message of the American press is that, yes, while it is perfectly true that the emperor has no clothes, nudity is actually very acceptable this year."
--Simon Hoggart, in The Observer (London), 1986
Uncommon Wisdom from "The Gipper"
"A tree's a tree. How many more do you need to look at?"
--Ronald Reagan (Governor of California), quoted in the Sacramento Bee, opposing expansion of Redwood National Park, March 3, 1966
"I don't believe a tree is a tree and if you've seen one you've seen them all."
--Governor Ronald Reagan, in the Sacramento Bee, September 14, 1966
"All the waste in a year from a nuclear power plant can be stored under a desk."
--Ronald Reagan (Republican candidate for president), quoted in the Burlington (Vermont) Free Press, February 15, 1980. (In reality, the average nuclear reactor generates 30 tons of radioactive waste per year.)
"I have flown twice over Mount St. Helens. I'm not a scientist and I don't know the figures, but I have a suspicion that one little mountain out there, in these last several months, has probably released more sulfur dioxide into the atmosphere than has been released in the last ten years of automobile driving or things of that kind."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in Time magazine, October 20, 1980. (According to scientists, Mount St. Helens emitted about 2,000 tons of sulfur dioxide per day at its peak activity, compared with 81,000 tons per day produced by cars.)
"Growing and decaying vegetation in this land are responsible for 93 percent of the oxides of nitrogen."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in the Los Angeles Times, October 9, 1980. (According to Dr. Michael Oppenheimer of the Environmental Defense Fund, industrial sources are responsible for at least 65 percent and possibly as much as 90 percent of the oxides of nitrogen in the U.S.)
"Approximately 80 percent of our air pollution stems from hydrocarbons released by vegetation. So let's not go overboard in setting and enforcing tough emission standards for man-made sources."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in Sierra, September 10, 1980
"I've said it before and I'll say it again. The U.S. Geological Survey has told me that the proven potential for oil in Alaska alone is greater than the proven reserves in Saudi Arabia."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in the Detroit Free Press, March 23, 1980. (According to the USGS, the Saudi reserves of 165.5 billion barrels are 17 times the proven reserves--9.2 billion barrels--in Alaska.)
"Why should we subsidize intellectual curiosity?"
--Ronald Reagan, campaign speech, 1980
"Trains are not any more energy efficient than the average automobile, with both getting about 48 passenger miles to the gallon."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in the Chicago Tribune, May 10, 1980. (The U.S. Department of Transportation calculates that a 14-car train traveling at 80 miles per hour gets 400 passenger miles to the gallon. A 1980 auto carrying an average of 2.2 people gets 42.6 passenger miles to the gallon.)
"It's silly talking about how many years we will have to spend in the jungles of Vietnam when we could pave the whole country and put parking stripes on it and still be home by Christmas."
--Ronald Reagan (candidate for Governor of California), interviewed in the Fresno Bee, October 10, 1965
"I have a feeling that we are doing better in the war [in Vietnam] than the people have been told."
--Ronald Reagan, in the Los Angeles Times, October 16, 1967
"...the moral equal of our Founding Fathers."
--President Reagan, describing the Nicaraguan contras, March 1, 1985
"Fascism was really the basis for the New Deal."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in Time, May 17, 1976
"I know all the bad things that happened in that war. I was in uniform four years myself."
--President Reagan, in an interview with foreign journalists, April 19, 1985. ("In costume" is more like it. Reagan spent World War II making Army training films at Hal Roach Studios in Hollywood.)
"They've done away with those committees. That shows the success of what the Soviets were able to do in this country."
--Ronald Reagan, quoted in the Washington Times, September 30, 1987. (Reagan longs for the days of Sen. Joseph McCarthy and the HCUA witch hunts.)
"We think there is a parallel between federal involvement in education and the decline in profit over recent years."
--President Reagan, quoted in USA Today, April 26, 1983
"What we have found in this country, and maybe we're more aware of it now, is one problem that we've had, even in the best of times, and that is the people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice."
--President Reagan, defending himself against charges of callousness on Good Morning America, January 31, 1984
"I favor the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and it must be enforced at the point of a bayonet, if necessary."
--Ronald Reagan, Los Angeles Times, October 20, 1965
"I would have voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964."
--Ronald Reagan, Los Angeles Times, June 17, 1966
"If there has to be a bloodbath then let's get it over with."
--Ronald Reagan (Governor of California), quoted in the San Francisco Chronicle, May 15, 1969. (Reagan reveals how he intends to deal with student protesters at the University of California, Berkeley.)
"Today a newcomer to the state is automatically eligible for our many aid programs the moment he crosses the border."
--Ronald Reagan, in a speech announcing his candidacy for Governor, January 3, 1966. (In fact, immigrants to California had to wait five years before becoming eligible for benefits. Reagan acknowledged his error, but nine months later said exactly the same thing.)
"...a faceless mass, waiting for handouts."
--Ronald Reagan, 1965. (Description of Medicaid recipients.)
"Unemployment insurance is a pre-paid vacation for freeloaders."
--California Governor Ronald Reagan, in the Sacramento Bee, April 28, 1966
"We were told four years ago that 17 million people went to bed hungry every night. Well, that was probably true. They were all on a diet."
--Ronald Reagan, TV speech, October 27, 1964
"But I also happen to be someone who believes in tithing--the giving of a tenth [to charity]."
--Ronald Reagan, from The Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents, February 8, 1982. (He may believe in tithing, but he doesn't practice it. Reagan's total charitable giving of $5,965 did not approach 10% of total income. It was more like 1.4%.)
"[Not] until now has there ever been a time in which so many of the prophecies are coming together. There have been times in the past when people thought the end of the world was coming, and so forth, but never anything like this."
--President Reagan revealing a disturbing view about the "coming of Armageddon," December 6, 1983
"History shows that when the taxes of a nation approach about 20 percent of the people's income, there begins to be a lack of respect for government.... When it reaches 25 percent, there comes an increase in lawlessness."
--Ronald Reagan, in Time, April 14, 1980. (History shows no such thing. Income tax rates in Europe have traditionally been far higher than U.S. rates, while European crime rates have been much lower.)
"Because Vietnam was not a declared war, the veterans are not even eligible for the G. I. Bill of Rights with respect to education or anything."
--Ronald Reagan, in Newsweek, April 21, 1980. (Wrong again.)
"Politics is just like show business. You have a hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close."
--Ronald Reagan to aide Stuart Spencer, 1966
Bolshevika
17th December 2003, 19:42
Originally posted by
[email protected] 11 2003, 07:21 AM
"Second combating against tyranny abroad"
You fail to mention the illegal war he funded in Nicaragua and his death squads in El Salvador. To my Latin American brothers and sisters he is the American Osama Bin Laden! This great man helped kill thousands of people. :angry:
Yes! Not to mention a drug dealer that introduced hard drugs to poor neighborhoods in order to make blood money for his coups and 'wars'.
LuZhiming
18th December 2003, 22:57
Originally posted by
[email protected] 11 2003, 08:11 AM
Guys, let s look at this realistically; there was a cold war. Both asides competed against each other for dominance and the CIA and KGB, were equally treacherous and the SU and America were equally as treacherous., There was no right and wrong, remember, each nation sees things in black and white: There is 'how it is' and 'how it should be'.
That was often just an excuse by the U.S. If you need examples, Castro's Cuba was first under U.S. attack in 1959. And the overthrowing of Jacobo Arbenz of Guatemala and Mossadeq of Iran had nothing to do with Communism, they weren't Communists! They were nationalists, so the U.S. had to smash the countries up. The same could be said of the U.S. early bombings of the peasent societies of Laos and Cambodia. This "Cold War" idea is a myth in many cases.
Loknar
19th December 2003, 08:28
Originally posted by LuZhiming+Dec 18 2003, 11:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (LuZhiming @ Dec 18 2003, 11:57 PM)
[email protected] 11 2003, 08:11 AM
Guys, let s look at this realistically; there was a cold war. Both asides competed against each other for dominance and the CIA and KGB, were equally treacherous and the SU and America were equally as treacherous., There was no right and wrong, remember, each nation sees things in black and white: There is 'how it is' and 'how it should be'.
That was often just an excuse by the U.S. If you need examples, Castro's Cuba was first under U.S. attack in 1959. And the overthrowing of Jacobo Arbenz of Guatemala and Mossadeq of Iran had nothing to do with Communism, they weren't Communists! They were nationalists, so the U.S. had to smash the countries up. The same could be said of the U.S. early bombings of the peasent societies of Laos and Cambodia. This "Cold War" idea is a myth in many cases. [/b]
So we overthrew them because it was in out own interests, so what? Every nations runs this planet the EXACT same way the US does. Imperialism didn’t start under the US my friend.
Even if the armed forces of the superpowers rarely confronted each other, they still saw plenty of action. The Red Army suppressed dissent in East Germany (1953), Hungary (1956), and Czechoslovakia (1968). It also fought a border war with China (1969) and invaded Afghanistan (1979). U.S. forces intervened in Korea (1950), Lebanon (1958, 1982), Vietnam (1961), the Dominican Republic (1965), Cambodia (1970), and Grenada (1983).
http://americanhistory.si.edu/subs/history...rent/index.html (http://americanhistory.si.edu/subs/history/timeline/different/index.html)
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