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Os Cangaceiros
12th May 2012, 05:56
This may seem kind of rambling, but I'm just going to go ahead and post it anyway.

I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned regarding the state of modern society, and especially the tools that capital has in regards to social control and repression. I'm someone who hates the idea that someone has the potential to monitor my every movement and my every action, and sometimes it seems like no one else really gives a shit about this. In a way I can see how communists wouldn't really be so concerned (other than the obvious fact that those technologies could be turned against them at some point); the latest methods of state repression don't really have much to do with the fundamentals of the capital-labor antagonism.

But my opposition to some of these things goes beyond simple materialism, goes beyond me just not liking this or that vestige of capitalism. For example, the cops. I hate the police, and part of that does have to do with the role they play in our society. But there's a part of me that says, if this pig had a hammer and sickle patch instead of a badge, and he was a member of the "people's militia" or some shit, would I really like him any more? No, I don't think so. Often times I find myself in agreement with rightwing wingnut libertarians regarding the universal telling of any and all state power to go fuck itself, even though I know there's not really a rational basis for me believing that. I can't imagine myself ever respecting state bureaucrats or state agents, regardless of whether they're doing the "people's bidding" or not.

w/ regards to state control and social order, one of the more satisfying events related to the negation of this was the August 2011 riots in the UK. Man, that was immensely satisfying, and I don't even live in the UK. Countries like the UK and the USA don't practice the more brutal, explicit state control practiced in other countries, but seeing the "activist state" and all it's sickening tools of order and public harmony or whatever proven absolutely impotent before a burny-smashy mob was awesome. That's what a lot of people on the left don't get, I think, they see something like that incident of mass rioting and looting (or the late 60's riot-a-thon in the USA, which the institutional left decried in it's day) as pointless and nihilistic, but they just can't see the ecstasy someone must feel at just fucking destroying everything that's ever been held up before them but they've been told that they can't have. There's a part of me that just wants to abandon any and all materialism when I see such images and just watch shit burn in a massive inferno.

I can't take that sentiment all the way, though, I can't be some kind of anti-civ primmie. I realize intellectually that a world without things like aspirin or penicillen would suck in a big way. But that doesn't stop a certain tension between those frames of mind. I think a world in which capitalism has reached it's "zenith", in which everyone has a relatively long lifespan and there's not much violence at all (as per current trends), but everyone is tightly regimented into ordered lives would be pretty much a nightmare. Rebellion and violence can often be terrifying, if I was caught up in some kind of major violent upheaval I'd probably shit myself, but I think it's something the world needs, I think it's what keeps the world moving foward. Even in a perfect "end of history" commie utopia.

/rant

A Revolutionary Tool
12th May 2012, 06:32
I feel ya, doing smashy smashy things is fun and liberating.

gorillafuck
12th May 2012, 19:10
I agree with these sentiments to an extent and I don't to an extent. the people who generally agree with this stuff are people that I don't like. people who talk about destruction and how liberating it is to break stuff are usually people who piss me off. they're people who act like destruction is a romantic concept and pretend to be nihilistic and standing against societys morals, when in actuality if you showed them real expressions of amorality they'd completely hate it. I dislike romantic psuedo-nihilistic anarchism more than I dislike mainstream leftism. that's one of the reasons I got a kick out of posting GG Allin on this website for a little while, lol. to show people that think they're against morality that they are actually not, and make them uncomfortable by showing them people who actually believe what they thought they believed.

Left Leanings
12th May 2012, 20:50
Regarding the UK riots.

There are sooo many people written off, shut out and angry as fuck, that spontaneous little uprising of this sort are gonna happen. And with the austerity measures, cuts in social security benefits and rising unemployment, it's going to become much more commonplace.

And the looting wasn't simply about smashing things up. It was peeps who had fuck all, actually taking what's already rightfully theirs anyway. One kid was quoted in the press, as saying he was sick of being looked down as a 'pov' (a poor person), cos he didn't have the same fashionable items as more affluent people. That's a clear example of how capitalism and it's tell you want, tell you what you need mentality, really screws people up.

Peeps paid the fucking price for the riots and looting, however. One poor guy got six-months in jail. What did he loot? A bottle of water, ffs.

Now riots and looting, do not the insurrection (and hopefully subsequent revolution) make. But they are a warning sign to capital, a precursor.

Anyone who cannot handle these spontaneous uprisings in minature, had better steady themselves. Cos the act of insurrection is going to be a hell of a lot more protracted, and rather more full-on.

MotherCossack
12th May 2012, 21:33
Regarding the UK riots.

There are sooo many people written off, shut out and angry as fuck, that spontaneous little uprising of this sort are gonna happen. And with the austerity measures, cuts in social security benefits and rising unemployment, it's going to become much more commonplace
Anyone who cannot handle these spontaneous uprisings in minature, had better steady themselves. Cos the act of insurrection is going to be a hell of a lot more protracted, and rather more full-on.

BRING IT ON SUNSHINE!!!!!!!!!
The sooner the better....
All this capitalism... it stinks like shit... and i bet you can smell it from mars!!

Left Leanings
12th May 2012, 21:37
BRING IT ON SUNSHINE!!!!!!!!!
The sooner the better....
All this capitalism... it stinks like shit... and i bet you can smell it from mars!!

It stinks like shit, cos the bourgeois and their agents, are fucking shit :)

Art Vandelay
13th May 2012, 00:59
This may seem kind of rambling, but I'm just going to go ahead and post it anyway.

I'm becoming increasingly delusioned regarding the state of modern society, and especially the tools that capital has in regards to social control and repression. I'm someone who hates the idea that someone has the potential to monitor my every movement and my every action, and sometimes it seems like no one else really gives a shit about this. In a way I can see how communists wouldn't really be so concerned (other than the obvious fact that those technologies could be turned against them at some point); the latest methods of state repression don't really have much to do with the fundamentals of the capital-labor antagonism.

But my opposition to some of these things goes beyond simple materialism, goes beyond me just not liking this or that vestige of capitalism. For example, the cops. I hate the police, and part of that does have to do with the role they play in our society. But there's a part of me that says, if this pig had a hammer and sickle patch instead of a badge, and he was a member of the "people's militia" or some shit, would I really like him any more? No, I don't think so. Often times I find myself in agreement with rightwing wingnut libertarians regarding the universal telling of any and all state power to go fuck itself, even though I know there's not really a rational basis for me believing that. I can't imagine myself ever respecting state bureaucrats or state agents, regardless of whether they're doing the "people's bidding" or not.

w/ regards to state control and social order, one of the more satisfying events related to the negation of this was the August 2011 riots in the UK. Man, that was immensely satisfying, and I don't even live in the UK. Countries like the UK and the USA don't practice the more brutal, explicit state control practiced in other countries, but seeing the "activist state" and all it's sickening tools of order and public harmony or whatever proven absolutely impotent before a burny-smashy mob was awesome. That's what a lot of people on the left don't get, I think, they see something like that incident of mass rioting and looting (or the late 60's riot-a-thon in the USA, which the institutional left decried in it's day) as pointless and nihilistic, but they just can't see the ecstasy someone must feel at just fucking destroying everything that's ever been held up before them but they've been told that they can't have. There's a part of me that just wants to abandon any and all materialism when I see such images and just watch shit burn in a massive inferno.

I can't take that sentiment all the way, though, I can't be some kind of anti-civ primmie. I realize intellectually that a world without things like aspirin or penicillen would suck in a big way. But that doesn't stop a certain tension between those frames of mind. I think a world in which capitalism has reached it's "zenith", in which everyone has a relatively long lifespan and there's not much violence at all (as per current trends), but everyone is tightly regimented into ordered lives would be pretty much a nightmare. Rebellion and violence can often be terrifying, if I was caught up in some kind of major violent upheaval I'd probably shit myself, but I think it's something the world needs, I think it's what keeps the world moving foward. Even in a perfect "end of history" commie utopia.

/rant

You took the words out of my mouth....I struggle with this daily. At times my misanthropy and apathy gets so bad that I choose nihilistic and meaningless forms of (anti-) political organization over things that could actually have some tangible benefits besides making me not as pissed off for a while.

Edit: A couple quotes I like:

"The passion for destruction, is a creative passion."

" I'm fighting for something between apocalypse and liberation."

Magón
13th May 2012, 01:09
I can't be some kind of anti-civ primmie.

It's too late, they've already got you by the balls! Their sentiment and solutions are slowly spreading inside of you as we speak. We'll have to send you to a gulag in the meantime, while we figure out what to do with you.

On a more serious note, yeah I agree. There are points where I feel like that, and just let that sort of stuff just wash over me, not really caring about the repercussions that inevitably follow. But whatever, when you see a brick or something go flying through a bank window, or something like that, it does have a relieving feeling that not all is lost even if it is small and probably to be forgotten a week or month later..

MotherCossack
13th May 2012, 01:28
You took the words out of my mouth....I struggle with this daily. At times my misanthropy and apathy gets so bad that I choose nihilistic and meaningless forms of (anti-) political organization over things that could actually have some tangible benefits besides making me not as pissed off for a while.

Edit: A couple quotes I like:

"The passion for destruction, is a creative passion."

" I'm fighting for something between apocalypse and liberation."

well i never... and you, my good comrade, took them there words right out of my mouth also.....
if you want to take it to the next level there is this:

"life's not short enough." I personally wouldn't go that far... but I like the idea ....

although.... hang about.... i choose sado-masochistic and self-destructive forms of sabotage over simple and potentially helpful little actions... that could lead somewhere and improve things....
so it is similar? think so.