What kind of artwork you think workers might like?

[El Oso Rojo]

What kind of artwork working class people like to see? This question is influence by the socialist realist thread.


As someone studying to be an artist I would like to show socialist realist work that people can related to. I am kinda researching for feature ideas.

What have been done and what is kitsch, how do we improve it from being kitsch?

[Zav]

Everyone has different tastes. There is no one style of art that every worker will like. You could address common themes in your work, but you'll never get everyone to like it.

[El Oso Rojo]

Everyone has different tastes. There is no one style of art that every worker will like. You could address common themes in your work, but you'll never get everyone to like it.

I know.

[Sasha]

only a through and through anti-communist ellitist prick with utter discontempt for the workingclass thinks this:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3502/3725728259_d6bda93b3f_o.jpg

is more suitable for "the workers" than this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Artwork_by_El_Lissitzky_1919.jpg

or this:

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070803/070803_NKoreaMassGames_hmed_3p.grid-6x2.jpg

more than this:

http://web.gc.cuny.edu/mestc/events/f11/images/PerformaMagCuckoldFULL.jpg

[gorillafuck]

most pink floyd albums are bought by the working class

[Tenka]

I'm from a working class background (though technically I am lumpen myself) and I only like realistic oil paintings of scenery and animals -- also porn drawn in the animu style of Japan incl. cross-dressers and/or tentacles.

I will offer an example of the former only:
http://i46.tinypic.com/2wgfamr.jpg

[gorillafuck]

I'm from a working class background (though technically I am lumpen myself) and I only like realistic oil paintings of scenery and animals -- also porn drawn in the animu style of Japan incl. cross-dressers and/or tentacles.hahaha what? is that a real fetish?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Whatever kind of art I tell them to like.

http://wikitravel.org/upload/en/thumb/4/47/Stalin_Statue_closeup.jpg/800px-Stalin_Statue_closeup.jpg
Bow down all ye proles.

[ВАЛТЕР]

Taste is subjective and irrelevant to class, but more of an individual view.

You like one thing, I like another. Nobody is right or wrong.

It is like asking "what kind of artwork might black people like?".

[Tenka]

hahaha what? is that a real fetish?

You sound surprised. For my part, I can't believe some of what's far more popular....
Anyway, no accounting for taste, etc.

[gorillafuck]

You sound surprised. For my part, I can't believe some of what's far more popular....
Anyway, no accounting for taste, etc.I am kind of surprised. I find the concept of tentacle porn really funny.:laugh:

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

only a through and through anti-communist ellitist prick with utter discontempt for the workingclass thinks this:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3502/3725728259_d6bda93b3f_o.jpg

is more suitable for "the workers" than this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/Artwork_by_El_Lissitzky_1919.jpg

or this:

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070803/070803_NKoreaMassGames_hmed_3p.grid-6x2.jpg

more than this:

http://web.gc.cuny.edu/mestc/events/f11/images/PerformaMagCuckoldFULL.jpg

Stop deciding that one kind of artwork is better for the working class than another kind of artwork, you "elitist prick."

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

This thread in general, just the title alone, pisses me the fuck off. Speaking as someone whom is an artist and gains income from art, I find it to be complete bullshit that the question of "what art would poor people like," is even being asked and find it to be utterly ridiculous.

[Per Levy]

What kind of artwork working class people like to see?

really depends on the individual worker.

[Railyon]

I am kind of surprised. I find the concept of tentacle porn really funny.:laugh:

You find it funny, I find it so yesteryear... seriously, 80s all over again. The scene nowadays digs fads like NTR and shit... (but they're reactionary as fuck so I don't really give a damn about their masochismo)

[Sasha]

Stop deciding that one kind of artwork is better for the working class than another kind of artwork, you "elitist prick."

I guess I should clarify that the artist of picture 2 was banned from making art unless switching to socialist realism and the director of 4 was even executed. I don't think my opinion equals the oppositions way of "deciding"...

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I guess I should clarify that the artist of picture 2 was banned from making art unless switching to socialist realism and the director of 4 was even executed. I don't think my opinion equals the oppositions way of "deciding"...

Yes, we Marxist-Leninists tend to have more entertaining ways of deciding things than a few leftists on the Internet.:rolleyes:

[blake 3:17]

As someone studying to be an artist I would like to show socialist realist work that people can related to. I am kinda researching for feature ideas.

What have been done and what is kitsch, how do we improve it from being kitsch?


You'd probably be interested in the work of Carol Conde and Karl Beveridge. They employ a number of strategies to make "socialist" art -- working with union members to stage photos about their work life, riffing on classic paintings with other figures collaged in, and a few other tricky techniques.

This is a review of their last show: http://www.canadianart.ca/online/reviews/2012/02/09/conde_beveridge/

A more theoretical article on them: http://fusemagazine.org/2010/09/the-changing-picture

Their site is here: http://www.web.net/~condebev/

[bcbm]

http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt6bvmjC3m1qe0pd9o1_500.jpg

[gorillafuck]

Yes, we Marxist-Leninists tend to have more entertaining ways of deciding things than a few leftists on the Internet.:rolleyes:huh?

[bcbm]

killing people for art is revolutionary

[Sasha]

huh?

he thinks its edgy to gloat about revolutionary leftist artists getting executed for being revolutionary leftist artists (and jewish)...

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

he thinks its edgy to gloat about revolutionary leftist artists getting executed for being revolutionary leftist artists (and jewish)...

I was about to thank that post (because I don't give a fuck about those long-dead artists; boohoo), but then you had to bring in the Jewish thing, so ok . . . if that makes you feel correct.

[bcbm]

because I don't give a fuck about those long-dead artists; boohoo

what is it like to be such a tremendous prick?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

what is it like to be such a tremendous prick?

It's usually pretty nice.

But you are missing the point. Why should I cry over a few artists from the last century that have nothing to do with me? You go cry over them.

[bcbm]

you don't have to cry over them but i don't think a 'student of marxist-leninism' should shrug off the deaths of those killed by people who also claimed to be 'marxist-leninists'

[Niccolò Rossi]

this forum is fucking shit

[gorillafuck]

...but then you had to bring in the Jewish thing, so ok . . . if that makes you feel correct.doctors plot doctors plot doctors plot doctors plot

[El Oso Rojo]

This is not what I fucking wanted, i regret even making this shit.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

This is not what I fucking wanted, i regret even making this shit.

It's over. Now we are done fighting.

[Yuppie Grinder]

Why do I get the awful feeling that a large chunk of revleft is art school students who'll get over there commie phase the moment there parents give them there trust-fund back?

[El Oso Rojo]

Why do I get the awful feeling that a large chunk of revleft is art school students who'll get over there commie phase the moment there parents give them there trust-fund back?

I don't have a trust fund, and my family is poor. Also I am working a job where have to make sure drivers act well manner at an ampithearter.


I go to a community college for art, and it the best damn art school.

[Althusser]

Workers have had enough of all that realist revolutionary art. They need some of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i2Qt3__d-Ds

[black magick hustla]

draw what u like

[Yuppie Grinder]

Contemporary "fine" arts don't appeal to me because of how exclusive, posh, and bourgeois they are. The vanguard of the visual arts is in street art.

[El Oso Rojo]

workers have had enough of all that realist revolutionary art. They need some of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i2qt3__d-ds


i don't fucking think so, i don't fucking think so.

[Jimmie Higgins]

What kind of artwork working class people like to see? This question is influence by the socialist realist thread.

As someone studying to be an artist I would like to show socialist realist work that people can related to. I am kinda researching for feature ideas.

What have been done and what is kitsch, how do we improve it from being kitsch?

There is no specific "art for working class people" - the working class is not monolithic in attitudes or preferences.

As for your own work, if socialist realism or any other style or tradition speaks to you or you think fits what you want to do, then go for it. The most important thing you can try and do is make something that is as true to yourself and what you would want to see as possible. Don't try and make something with a specific message unless it is organic, otherwise it will only come off as contrived and stilted. Focus on the basics of the craft and form you are perusing; your politics and worldview will naturally come out of whatever you work on if you are true to yourself and the piece in of itself. If I'm writing a short-story for example, my main concern is if the characters makes sense and the plot is interesting, the subtext and my view of the world just come out through the choices I end up making.

A Socialist or Anarchist could create, say, a Batman comic and still have it be about a rich guy who has a vigilante obsession, but I doubt their take on the character would end up glorifying beating up petty crooks and they might, due to their views, explore the contradictions or problems of vigilantism or where crime in society comes from or some other issue that's organic to the character and setting but just from a different perspective.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Contemporary "fine" arts don't appeal to me because of how exclusive, posh, and bourgeois they are. The vanguard of the visual arts is in street art.Meh, subjective - and maybe a bit of romanticism. Street-artists can be the same posh art-school elitists as the ones that go the traditional high-art route. In fact, in many ways it's become an alternate route into the galleries.

I like street art quite a bit, have engaged in it too, but I don't think it's really a "pure" art or all that separate from the problems of art in general. Most street-art in the San Francisco bay area has all the vibrancy and depth of an internet meme. A lot of it is some cutesie illustration of a cartoon cat and some clever slogan or something - essentially tagging (with a logo or character rather than just a name) by people who went to a fancy art school but now can't find a fulfilling job with their degree.

I think contemporary art is particularly bad right now because of the social situation. We need revolutionary times if we want to see revolutionary art.


killing people for art is revolutionaryLol. You're a John Waters-ist. Awesome.

[El Oso Rojo]

Contemporary "fine" arts don't appeal to me because of how exclusive, posh, and bourgeois they are. The vanguard of the visual arts is in street art.


Posh? You do know that most street artists are probably fine artists, and no Fine art is not bourgeoise or non bourgeoise. I go to a community college for fine arts and most of the kids are not posh, they come from the North st.louis cities ghettos and more redneckish back of the woods.

Some do have petit bourgeoise parents but they paid their own way into school. I do admit that we tend to speak a language that posh thought. A artistic mixture of Italian, German, French, Spanish, and Dutch and English depending on style.

[Zealot]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QP-Sq0tCmv4/SCEAX-XBlyI/AAAAAAAACCY/MZ_CWXtVsrs/s400/statueliberty_330813a.jpg

http://www.randomwire.com/wp-content/uploads/north-korean-propoganda-poster.jpg

http://www.3quarksdaily.com/.a/6a00d8341c562c53ef01347fcf13ae970c-800wi

http://www.nikopopp.com/NorthKoreanPropaganda/NorthKoreanPropaganda5.jpg

Something like that.

Unless you want to end up with shit like this:

http://pablo-picasso.paintings.name/images/picasso-femme-en-pleurs.jpg

[El Oso Rojo]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QP-Sq0tCmv4/SCEAX-XBlyI/AAAAAAAACCY/MZ_CWXtVsrs/s400/statueliberty_330813a.jpg

http://www.randomwire.com/wp-content/uploads/north-korean-propoganda-poster.jpg

http://www.3quarksdaily.com/.a/6a00d8341c562c53ef01347fcf13ae970c-800wi

http://www.nikopopp.com/NorthKoreanPropaganda/NorthKoreanPropaganda5.jpg

Something like that.

Unless you want to end up with shit like this:

http://pablo-picasso.paintings.name/images/picasso-femme-en-pleurs.jpg


Dadaists and Cubism with the exception of Dali, where mostly communists and anti war activists.

[Sasha]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QP-Sq0tCmv4/SCEAX-XBlyI/AAAAAAAACCY/MZ_CWXtVsrs/s400/statueliberty_330813a.jpg

http://www.randomwire.com/wp-content/uploads/north-korean-propoganda-poster.jpg

http://www.3quarksdaily.com/.a/6a00d8341c562c53ef01347fcf13ae970c-800wi

http://www.nikopopp.com/NorthKoreanPropaganda/NorthKoreanPropaganda5.jpg

Something like that.

Unless you want to end up with shit like this:

http://pablo-picasso.paintings.name/images/picasso-femme-en-pleurs.jpg

why do people keep on confusing propaganda with art? sure some propaganda can be art, and some art can be propaganda but its not the same thing..

[El Oso Rojo]

why do people keep on confusing propaganda with art? sure some propaganda can be art, and some art can be propaganda but its not the same thing..

Art is whatever people want it to be. It's Art. Just propaganda Art.

[Yuppie Grinder]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QP-Sq0tCmv4/SCEAX-XBlyI/AAAAAAAACCY/MZ_CWXtVsrs/s400/statueliberty_330813a.jpg

http://www.randomwire.com/wp-content/uploads/north-korean-propoganda-poster.jpg

http://www.3quarksdaily.com/.a/6a00d8341c562c53ef01347fcf13ae970c-800wi

http://www.nikopopp.com/NorthKoreanPropaganda/NorthKoreanPropaganda5.jpg

Something like that.

Unless you want to end up with shit like this:

http://pablo-picasso.paintings.name/images/picasso-femme-en-pleurs.jpg

Picasso is a hell of a lot more rad than Stalinist propaganda dribble.

[Ravachol]

Considering it is by far the most popular form of art they engage in, I guess 'workers' like this kind of art:

http://chzmemebase.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/internet-memes-draw-something-sad.png

suck on that socialist realism.