View Full Version : The Great Leap Forward & What We Can Learn
Anarcho-Brocialist
11th May 2012, 05:36
As we all know, the Great Leap Forward didn't yield the results Mao was looking for. Using primitive methods of smelting iron; incompetence from farmers resulted in a decline in agricultural production. Irrigation systems weren't crafted by engineers etc.
If a revolution were to occur, how do you think we should go about educating the populace with regards to engineering, agricultural development, metallurgy, energy production, etc?
We always discuss what society will be like after revolution, but not the practical means of surviving afterwards.
In my personal opinion, I think unions and their members could teach the rest of the citizens on how to perform such tasks. In regards to agriculture, we let the former farmers still work the land but have a collective, teaching the other the trade.
What are your thoughts?
Prometeo liberado
11th May 2012, 05:58
Are you talkin about a Great Leap Forward or cross training of the populace here? Sounds like a great Cultural Revolution. We already have the working knowledge to do these things you know.
Anarcho-Brocialist
11th May 2012, 06:03
Are you talkin about a Great Leap Forward or cross training of the populace here? Sounds like a great Cultural Revolution. We already have the working knowledge to do these things you know.
The Great Leap Forward. I'm oblivious to the principles of metallurgy, medicine, and agriculture. I know engineering since I went to college for it. If I were in a collective with someone I'd like to hope we'd have the infrastructure, equipment, and know-how on how to survive.
Prometeo liberado
11th May 2012, 06:18
I was thinking GLF in the Maoist sense that they needed to catch up and industrialize. So without turning this in to an argument your definition for this case is GLF as cross-training. There is no catching up to do as we have the technology, we just need more people to be armed with this knowledge. The International Communist Workers Party speaks of having every worker learn other workers jobs as a way of erasing inner-class lines.
Anarcho-Brocialist
11th May 2012, 06:28
I was thinking GLF in the Maoist sense that they needed to catch up and industrialize. So without turning this in to an argument your definition for this case is GLF as cross-training. There is no catching up to do as we have the technology, we just need more people to be armed with this knowledge. The International Communist Workers Party speaks of having every worker learn other workers jobs as a way of erasing inner-class lines.
I referenced the GLP because it failed. I would say because people were incompetent in their tasks. Then I went on to say how do we educate the masses on such labor techniques. I like the concept of the ICWP teaching workers' all the trades necessary to survive and provide.
Prometeo liberado
11th May 2012, 06:32
I referenced the GLP because it failed. I would say because people were incompetent in their tasks. Then I went on to say how do we educate the masses on such labor techniques. I like the concept of the ICWP teaching workers' all the trades necessary to survive and provide.
I uderstand that it failed I just assumed that most, if not all communist, held the belief that cross training would be as norm as OMP.
Here is their quote from their pamphlet, Mobilize the Masses for Communism:
Breaking down the division between
manual and mental labor, and
between the “experts” and the rest
of us is a principle established
during the Cultural Revolution. It’s
part of eliminating the material
basis for the capitalist idea that
some people are more important
than others and deserve a bigger
say or an easier life.
This mass mobilization for
communist production
requires breaking down the
barrier between education and
work.
Under capitalism, full time expert
teachers do teaching. Under
communism everyone will share
their experience and knowledge
with young and old. Everyone will
learn both the skills and the
underlying theory of work.
Farmworkers and agronomists,
machinists and engineers will not
only learn from each other, they will
actually be the same person. Every
student will be a worker and every
worker, no matter how experienced,
will be a student, their entire lives.
All
work will be necessary; the
communist commitment to the
collective will help everyone
understand the importance of even
the boring or dangerous aspects of
work
Revolution starts with U
11th May 2012, 07:46
I think the principles of engineering and "how things work," logic and critical thinking, etc should have a higher priority than even reading and math in grade schools. Idk how much this helps in a revolutionary situation. I just thinking knowing "how" to think is much greater than knowing "what" to think (as if that isn't obvious).
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