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TrotskistMarx
8th May 2012, 06:30
Dear friends, I thought that The Huffington Post, was a progressive newspaper. But it seems to me that after Ariana Huffington became rich, with a business deal she made, she has to be loyal to her new upper class status. This article says that the solution for the economic crisis is capitalism. Not socialism, these people are lying and crazy

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/the-answer-isnt-socialism_b_1491243.html

Francois Hollande's victory doesn't and shouldn't mean a movement toward socialism in Europe or elsewhere. Socialism isn't the answer to the basic problem haunting all rich nations. The answer is to reform capitalism. The world's productivity revolution is outpacing the political will of rich societies to fairly distribute its benefits. The result is widening inequality coupled with slow growth and stubbornly high unemployment.
In the United States, almost all the gains from productivity growth have been going to the top 1 percent, and the percent of the working-age population with jobs is now lower than it's been in more than thirty years (before the vast majority of women moved into paid work). Inequality is also growing in Europe, along with chronic joblessness. Europe is finding it can no longer afford generous safety nets to catch everyone who has fallen out of the working economy. Consumers in China are gaining ground but consumption continues to shrink as a share of China's increasingly productive economy, while inequality in China is soaring. China's wealthy elites are emulating the most conspicuous consumption of the rich in the West.

At the heart of the productivity revolution are the computers, software, and the Internet that have found their way into the production of almost everything a modern economy creates. Factory workers are being replaced by computerized machine tools and robotics; office workers, by software applications; professionals, by ever more specialized apps; communications and transportation workers, by the Internet. Some work continues to be outsourced abroad to very low-wage workers in developing nations but this is not the major cause of the present trend. This work now comprises such a tiny fraction of the costs of production that it's becoming cheaper for companies to do more of it at home with computers and software, and even bring back some of it ("in-source") from abroad. Consumers in rich nations are reaping some of the benefits of the productivity revolution in the form of lower prices or more value for the money -- consider the cost of color TVs, international phone calls, or cross-country flights compared to what they were before.

But most of the gains are going to the shareholders who own the companies, and to the relatively small number of very talented (or very lucky and well-connected) managers, engineers, designers, and legal or financial specialists on whom the companies depend for strategic decisions about what to produce and how. Increasingly, via stock options and bonuses, the owners and the "talent" are one and the same. While many other people indirectly own shares of stock through their pensions and 401-K plans, 90 percent of the value of all financial assets in the U.S. belongs to the richest 10 percent of the American population. Meanwhile, a large number of low-paid service workers sell personalized comfort and attention -- something software can't do -- in the retail, restaurant, hotel, and hospital sectors (most U.S. job growth since 2009 has occurred here.) Others -- temps, contract workers, the under- and partially-employed, fill in where they can. A growing number are not working.

The problem is not that the productivity revolution has caused unemployment or under-employment. The problem is its fruits haven't been widely shared. Less work isn't a bad thing. Most people prefer leisure. A productivity revolution such as we are experiencing should enable people to spend less time at work and have more time to do whatever they'd rather do. The problem comes in the distribution of the benefits of the productivity revolution. A large portion of the population no longer earns the money it needs to live nearly as well as the productivity revolution would otherwise allow. It can't afford the "leisure" its now experiencing involuntarily. Not only is this a problem for them; it's also a problem for the overall economy. It means that a growing portion of the population lacks the purchasing power to keep the economy going. In the United States, consumers account for 70 percent of economic activity. If they as a whole cannot afford to buy all the goods and services the productivity revolution is generating, the economy becomes stymied. Growth is anemic; unemployment remains high.

That's why "supply-side" tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy are perverse. Corporations and the rich don't need more tax cuts; they're swimming in money as it is. The reason they don't invest in additional productive capacity and hire more people is they don't see a sufficient market for the added goods and services, which means an inadequate return on such investment. But more Keynesian stimulus won't help solve the more fundamental problem. Although added government spending has gone some way toward filling the gap in demand caused by consumers whose jobs and incomes are disappearing, it can't be a permanent solution. Even if the wealthy paid their fair share of taxes, deficits would soon get out of control. Additional public investments in infrastructure and basic research and development can make the economy more productive - but more productivity doesn't necessarily help if a growing portion of the population can't absorb it.

What to do? Learn from our own history.

The last great surge in productivity occurred between 1870 and 1928, when the technologies of the first industrial revolution were combined with steam power and electricity, mass produced in giant companies enjoying vast economies of scale, and supplied and distributed over a widening system of rails. That ended abruptly in the Great Crash of 1929, when income and wealth had become so concentrated at the top (the owners and financiers of these vast combines) that most people couldn't pay for all these new products and services without going deeply and hopelessly into debt -- resulting in a bubble that loudly and inevitably popped. If that sounds familiar, it should. A similar thing happened between 1980 and 2007, when productivity revolution of computers, software, and, eventually, the Internet spawned a new economy along with great fortunes. (It's not coincidental that 1928 and 2007 mark the two peaks of income concentration in America over the last hundred years, in which the top 1 percent raked in over 23 percent of total income.)

But here's the big difference. During the Depression decade of the 1930s, the nation reorganized itself so that the gains from growth were far more broadly distributed. The National Labor Relations Act of 1935 recognized unions' rights to collectively bargain, and imposed a duty on employers to bargain in good faith. By the 1950s, a third of all workers in the United States were unionized, giving them the power to demand some of the gains from growth. Meanwhile, Social Security, unemployment insurance, and worker's compensation spread a broad safety net. The forty-hour workweek with time-and-a-half for overtime also helped share the work and spread the gains, as did a minimum wage. In 1965, Medicare and Medicaid broadened access to health care. And a progressive income tax, reaching well over 70 percent on the highest incomes, also helped ensure that the gains were spread fairly. This time, though, the nation has taken no similar steps. Quite the contrary: A resurgent right insists on even more tax breaks for corporations and the rich, massive cuts in public spending that will destroy what's left of our safety nets, including Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, fewer rights for organized labor, more deregulation of labor markets, and a lower (or no) minimum wage.

This is, quite simply, nuts.

And this is why a second Obama administration, should there be one, must focus its attention on more broadly distributing the gains from growth. This doesn't mean "redistributing" from rich to poor, as in a zero-sum game. To the contrary, the rich will do far better with a smaller share of a robust, growing economy than they're doing with a large share of an economy that's barely moving forward. This will require real tax reform -- not just a "Buffett" minimal tax but substantially higher marginal rates and more brackets at the top, with a capital gains rate matching the income-tax rate. It also means a larger Earned Income Tax Credit, whose benefits extend high into the middle class. That will enable many Americans to move to a 35-hour workweek without losing ground -- thereby making room for more jobs. It means Medicare for all rather than an absurdly-costly system that relies on private for-profit insurers and providers.

It will require limiting executive salaries and empowering workers to get a larger share of corporate profits. The Employee Free Choice Act should be an explicit part of the second-term agenda. It will require strict limits on the voracious, irresponsible behavior of Wall Street, from which we've all suffered. The Glass-Steagall Act must be resurrected (the so-called Volcker Rule is more ridden with holes than cheese), and the big banks broken up. And it will necessitate a public educational system - including early child education - second to none, and available to all our young people. We don't need socialism. We need a capitalism that works for the vast majority. The productivity revolution should be making our lives better -- not poorer and more insecure. And it will do that when we have the political will to spread its benefits.

Vyacheslav Brolotov
8th May 2012, 06:33
Wow, a bourgeois Internet newspaper defending a certain type of capitalism. Amazing.

FYI: progressivism is still bourgeois pro-capitalism.

pluckedflowers
8th May 2012, 06:41
Seriously, dude, this is like getting shocked that Obama doesn't want to demolish capitalism.

NewLeft
8th May 2012, 06:43
I enjoy reading your blogs marxist-socialist. ;)

Prometeo liberado
8th May 2012, 07:20
Please refer to my recent post on shocking news that the sun had risen again this morning. Your killing me TM, slowly killing me!

CynicalIdealist
8th May 2012, 08:25
I think TrotskistMarx is 12

Ned Kelly
8th May 2012, 08:27
Cheers friend

Zealot
8th May 2012, 08:43
Well I am horrified, truly horrified, that the bourgeois press would have the gall to defend capitalism. Next thing you know Mitt Romney will be defending the Republican Party. Oh how times have changed!

honest john's firing squad
8th May 2012, 10:36
take it back he is my idol

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I think TrotskistMarx is 12

Jimmie Higgins
8th May 2012, 10:52
Will this thread collapse in on itself if I make a sarcastic post about all the sarcastic posts?

Just living in capitalism is hard enough on the morale, being a minority-revolutionary in capitalism is even more demoralizing; if a posters is sincere, even if they post something you think it wrong or naive, maybe try a little patience.

This article may not come as a shock to most of us, but it's useful to read and see what kinds of things the people around us at work or school (and who might be sympathetic to movements we're involved in) might be hearing and reading. I never get bored of the diversity and skill that establishment liberals have for equivocation.

Zealot
8th May 2012, 12:23
Will this thread collapse in on itself if I make a sarcastic post about all the sarcastic posts?

Just living in capitalism is hard enough on the morale, being a minority-revolutionary in capitalism is even more demoralizing; if a posters is sincere, even if they post something you think it wrong or naive, maybe try a little patience.

I would understand that point if every one of TrotskistMarx's threads weren't like this... but, unfortunately, they are. And if his blog is anything to go by, he's been into leftist politics for several years now and still makes posts that seem as if a troll was writing. In fact, he owns over 12 blogs (http://www.blogger.com/profile/13669780917397223522) with posts as long as half a book, including one blog (http://revleft-family.blogspot.com/) that is supposedly entirely dedicated to Revleft which is ironic since in this post (http://tennessee-trotskist-party.blogspot.com/2008/04/beware-of-httpwwwrevleftcom-it-is-not.html) he warns us that Revleft is "not a real leftist forum, it is a stalinist, USSR, soviet empire, dogmatic, revisionist, fascist website" after he was banned in 2008 for antisemitism. Now I don't advocate rebanning him but it seems that such a well-read person still has not learned fundamental truths about the revolutionary left and the reactionary right.

To be honest, I can't figure out what TrotskistMarx's game is and his blogs and threads slightly creep me out at times. However, they mostly provide me with some very hilarious comedy.

Caj
8th May 2012, 12:30
http://revleft-family.blogspot.com/

DEAR FRIENDS, WE HAVE TO THANK THE REPUBLICAN PARTY FOR BEING THE PARTY OF KARL MARX. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL OVERTHROW THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM IN USA. BY CUTTING THE FOOD STAMPS TO THE POOR AMERICANS, REPUBLICANS ARE BEGGING FOR A DICTATORSHIP OF THE WORKING CLASS AND POOR PEASANTS IN AMERICA. BECAUSE POOR HUNGRY AMERICANS WOULD CONVERT TO MARXISM-LENINISM A LOT FASTER THAN AMERICANS WITH THEIR FULL STOMACHS !!!

Wow, just wow.

honest john's firing squad
8th May 2012, 14:55
Is there something here you don't agree with?

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http://revleft-family.blogspot.com/


Wow, just wow.

Raúl Duke
8th May 2012, 15:47
It's not surprising that this is published in a "progressive liberal" kind of news service.

What I find interesting is the questions it presents: who really is the audience for this news?

The French probably know that Hollande's 'socialists' ARE (supposed to be; they might as well renegade and continue austerity like the Spanish 'Socialists') reformists; electoral 'socialism' being reformism whether in the social democratic sense or, rarely and at most, in the democratic socialist ("we can achieve socialism via reforms and the ballot box").

Personally, I feel this article may be directed towards an Anglo, particularly American, audience in an effort to shy away the discontented people from an anti-capitalist perspective.

I feel it's mere propaganda, notice the vagueness of this article when talking about socialism. Also, it breaks no new ground: Occupy has more or less somewhat (not officially) demanded such things.

But to be honest, I wouldn't mind if reforms did come at all. But here's the thing: I don't believe reforms will come at all unless there's a strong, powerful grassroots movement and maybe even then there may well be no reforms due to it possibly being a structural problem within capitalism in "advanced capitalist" nations that doesn't allow it.

Geiseric
8th May 2012, 16:38
The magazine is a buisness just like any other media for profit, its readers are usually just young or union people instead of conservative old people.

Mr. Natural
8th May 2012, 17:06
Arianna Huffington? Bah, humbug! She can be fun, but she's a political opportunist and chameleon.

She first came to my attention a couple of decades ago when she wrote a very conservative book attacking feminism. Next she married the closeted homosexual, Michael Huffington, and used his money to run him/herself on a conservative platform for the US Senate and almost beat the formidable Diane Feinstein.

My last memory of her comes from the California gubernatorial contest in which she debated Arnold Schwarzenegger. She had become "progressive" by then.

The Huffington Post and Arianna Huffington are political crap.

Revolution starts with U
8th May 2012, 19:22
Francois Hollande's victory doesn't and shouldn't mean a movement toward socialism in Europe or elsewhere. Socialism isn't the answer to the basic problem haunting all rich nations. The answer is to reform capitalism. ...

But most of the gains are going to the shareholders who own the companies, and to the relatively small number of very talented (or very lucky and well-connected) managers, engineers, designers, and legal or financial specialists on whom the companies depend for strategic decisions about what to produce and how. Increasingly, via stock options and bonuses, the owners and the "talent" are one and the same. While many other people indirectly own shares of stock through their pensions and 401-K plans, 90 percent of the value of all financial assets in the U.S. belongs to the richest 10 percent of the American population. Meanwhile, a large number of low-paid service workers sell personalized comfort and attention -- something software can't do -- in the retail, restaurant, hotel, and hospital sectors (most U.S. job growth since 2009 has occurred here.) Others -- temps, contract workers, the under- and partially-employed, fill in where they can. A growing number are not working.


:lol: Cognitive dissonance at its finest.


The problem is not that the productivity revolution has caused unemployment or under-employment. The problem is its fruits haven't been widely shared. Less work isn't a bad thing. Most people prefer leisure. A productivity revolution such as we are experiencing should enable people to spend less time at work and have more time to do whatever they'd rather do. The problem comes in the distribution of the benefits of the productivity revolution.
And it continues :lol:




But here's the big difference. During the Depression decade of the 1930s, the nation reorganized itself so that the gains from growth were far more broadly distributed. The National Labor Relations Act of 1935 recognized unions' rights to collectively bargain, and imposed a duty on employers to bargain in good faith. By the 1950s, a third of all workers in the United States were unionized, giving them the power to demand some of the gains from growth. Meanwhile, Social Security, unemployment insurance, and worker's compensation spread a broad safety net. The forty-hour workweek with time-and-a-half for overtime also helped share the work and spread the gains, as did a minimum wage. In 1965, Medicare and Medicaid broadened access to health care. And a progressive income tax, reaching well over 70 percent on the highest incomes, also helped ensure that the gains were spread fairly. This time, though, the nation has taken no similar steps. Quite the contrary: A resurgent right insists on even more tax breaks for corporations and the rich, massive cuts in public spending that will destroy what's left of our safety nets, including Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid, fewer rights for organized labor, more deregulation of labor markets, and a lower (or no) minimum wage.

Socialism = (to put it simply) advancement of working class struggle. But according to her what we don't need is socialism, instead we need more advancement of working class struggle :lol:


This is, quite simply, nuts.

Yes, Arriana. Yes, you are.

Vyacheslav Brolotov
8th May 2012, 20:57
is there something here you don't agree with?

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lollolollollolollollolol!

Vyacheslav Brolotov
8th May 2012, 21:03
http://revleft-family.blogspot.com/


Wow, just wow.

Bottom of that page:

I AM THINKING ABOUT THE NEED OF A UNITED JEFFERSONIAN SOCIALIST FRONT IN U.S.A. IN SOLIDARITY WITH THE BOLIVARIAN-REVOLUTION AND OTHER MORALIST GOOD-INTENTIONED MOVEMENTS IN THIS WORLD. i am thinking about the need in USA of a United Jeffersonian-Socialist Front composed of small socialist and alternative anti-war, anti-fascism, anti-rich people, anti-upper classes, anti-concentration of wealth, pro-workers, pro-economic democracy, pro-moralism, pro-humanism, pro-egalitarianism parties in USA.

I loled so hard. :laugh:

ridethejetski
9th May 2012, 00:14
Doesn't the Huffington post accept articles from loads of different political positions though?

Pretty Flaco
9th May 2012, 00:24
Doesn't the Huffington post accept articles from loads of different political positions though?

he's right. this article needs to be attributed to Robert Reich.

TrotskistMarx
9th May 2012, 07:47
Dear friend: I have to think like a child, because adults are too legalists, too boring, too pessimists, too negative for me. The child is the last stage of the metamorphosis toward the superman.

People that are too square, too psychorigid can't overthrow the capitalist system



I think TrotskistMarx is 12

TrotskistMarx
9th May 2012, 07:51
Dear Stalinist friend: what the hell is your problem? I do, and write what ever I want to. Nobody tells me what to do and what to write, I am a free spirit !!

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I would understand that point if every one of TrotskistMarx's threads weren't like this... but, unfortunately, they are. And if his blog is anything to go by, he's been into leftist politics for several years now and still makes posts that seem as if a troll was writing. In fact, he owns over 12 blogs (http://www.blogger.com/profile/13669780917397223522) with posts as long as half a book, including one blog (http://revleft-family.blogspot.com/) that is supposedly entirely dedicated to Revleft which is ironic since in this post (http://tennessee-trotskist-party.blogspot.com/2008/04/beware-of-httpwwwrevleftcom-it-is-not.html) he warns us that Revleft is "not a real leftist forum, it is a stalinist, USSR, soviet empire, dogmatic, revisionist, fascist website" after he was banned in 2008 for antisemitism. Now I don't advocate rebanning him but it seems that such a well-read person still has not learned fundamental truths about the revolutionary left and the reactionary right.

To be honest, I can't figure out what TrotskistMarx's game is and his blogs and threads slightly creep me out at times. However, they mostly provide me with some very hilarious comedy.

TrotskistMarx
9th May 2012, 07:55
if you were here I would have to physically fight with you. I fight with people who tell me what to do. There is nothing more in this world that I hate more than strangers telling me what to do.


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Please refer to my recent post on shocking news that the sun had risen again this morning. Your killing me TM, slowly killing me!

honest john's firing squad
9th May 2012, 07:57
The child is the last stage of the metamorphosis toward the superman.
the wisdom in your words brings tears to my eyes.

Zealot
9th May 2012, 08:09
Sorry I forgot your obsession with Nietzsche's Übermensch. Please Comrade, teach us your ways.


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Dear friend: I have to think like a child, because adults are too legalists, too boring, too pessimists, too negative for me. The child is the last stage of the metamorphosis toward the superman.

E: P.S. can I join your United Jeffersonian-Socialist Front after we voted for Comrade Ron Paul?

TrotskistMarx
9th May 2012, 08:23
You can clone Stalin if you want to help us overthrow the capitalist system. But Stalin would install a Pinochet fascist system not a socialist system, thanks



Sorry I forgot your obsession with Nietzsche's Übermensch. Please Comrade, teach us your ways.


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E: P.S. can I join your United Jeffersonian-Socialist Front after we voted for Comrade Ron Paul?

cb9's_unity
9th May 2012, 11:19
At being a capitalist online news source, the Huffington post is definitely one of the best. As for having any sort of decent content, that's a totally different story.

Basically the Huffington post is getting huge because it is shameless in putting profit before journalistic integrity. It's sensationalist headlines are blatantly formulated in order to get clicks, and its articles are written in order to be search engine friendly. It is proof that American liberalism thrives when it is explicitly capitalist.

Huffington knows how to be a capitalist in the age of the internet. I only go on that site because it is dangerous to completely disconnect oneself from modern capitalism's image of itself (if you do your critique of it becomes less substantive). I also derp around on the comments section occasionally for fun. But the main use for that site is really just to see how totally sensationalist garbage can dominate the modern media.

Small Geezer
9th May 2012, 13:08
Huffington has always been a disgusting right-wing liberal. She just wants to be a member of high society where soft liberal crap is all too fashionable. We don't need people who behave flagrantly like they're above the working class to agree with us. People like this can talk all the innocuous verbal shite they want. It has no social value.

Jimmie Higgins
9th May 2012, 13:16
Huffington has always been a disgusting right-wing liberal. She just wants to be a member of high society where soft liberal crap is all too fashionable. We don't need people who behave flagrantly like they're above the working class to agree with us. People like this can talk all the innocuous verbal shite they want. It has no social value.Actually she got her start by supporting the candidacy of her disgusting conservative husband when he ran for Gov. of Cali. She was fond of the media spotlight then and was basically his spokesperson and the worst of it at the time was hearing her complain about illegal immigration with her thick Greek accent! I think she did the talk-show rounds back then as a right-winger. Then it turned out that her conservative-christian husband was gay and closeted and she revealed that she was now a progressive. While I fully believe that people change and ideas change and political consciousness changes, somehow her whole career seems less than principled. At her best in her new incarnation though, she is sometimes willing to criticize the Democratic party from the left... although it seems like this is less-so since she helped found that website. But yeah, she's never been left and her progressiveness has never seemed to have any class consideration to it compared to Michael Moore or some other US progressives.

I don't know if his politics changed - I doubt it aside from maybe being more flexible on gay-rights issues - but it's a vast improvement at any rate.

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Zealot
9th May 2012, 14:28
Dear Chavezite friend: I am not telling you what to do but I do disagree with you and am trying to point this out.


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Dear Stalinist friend: what the hell is your problem? I do, and write what ever I want to. Nobody tells me what to do and what to write, I am a free spirit !!

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I am surprised you don't like Pinochet my friend.

I was actually half serious about wanting to learn of your Superman doctrine but fortunately I found your blog how-to-be-a-nietzsche-superman.blogspot.com (http://how-to-be-a-nietzsche-superman.blogspot.com) to help me with that. However, it has not been updated in quite some time. Your last topic was "DO THIS KETOGENIC, LOW-CARB DIET AND EXERCISE ROUTINE TO LOOK LIKE FRANK MARTIN OF TRANSPORTER 3" and you've listed the Superman diet but the exercise routine was not posted as promised.

P.S. I recommend you put a Search function on your blogs because I found it tedious navigating through everything.


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You can clone Stalin if you want to help us overthrow the capitalist system. But Stalin would install a Pinochet fascist system not a socialist system, thanks

Hexen
9th May 2012, 15:47
Huffington Post (among so many overwhelming others) is a bourgeoisie news source what do you expect?

I always knew that there was something suspicious about this "TrotskistMarx" character since he reminds me of a member who was banned here before who kept posting conspiracy crap which no wonder he praised Micheal Rivero's "What Really Happened.com" site from my other thread (http://www.revleft.com/vb/whatreallyhappened-com-t168151/index.html) which was when I knew something was up about him (Kinda ironic and hypocritical he criticizes a bourgeois liberal site but yet he praised a right wing libertarian conspiracy site in the past as shown).