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TrotskistMarx
7th May 2012, 03:41
Dear friends, here is a link of the article in spanish by James Petras where he says that Obama, Hillary and Leon Panetta along with pro-war hardliner Republican Party congressmembers of the right-wing Cuban Lobby are thinking about invading Venezuela to overthrow president Hugo Chavez. In order to crush the Venezuelan Revolution and install in its place, probably Capriles who is a neoliberal puppet loyal and servant to Wal Mart, Exxon, Shell, Mcdonalds and other US and European Companies

El Gobierno estadounidense está planeando derrocar al presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, tras la imposibilidad de la victoria de la oposición en las elecciones presidenciales del próximo 7 de octubre, ha revelado este lunes James Petras, académico y analista político de Estados Unidos.

"Es evidente. Todas las encuestas muestran que Chávez tiene entre un 20 y un 30 por ciento de margen de ventaja sobre la derecha y su candidato, (Henrique) Capriles", declaró Petras después de ser preguntado sobre la situación preelectoral venezolana durante una entrevista con la emisora Radio Centenario de Uruguay.

El analista estadounidense dijo que el presidente norteamericano, Barack Obama, la secretaria de Estado, Hillary Clinton, y el director de la Agencia Central de Inteligencia (CIA, por sus siglas en inglés), León Panetta, planean la caída del Gobierno de Chávez, pero no podrán lograrlo, "por eso ahora están en la línea de varias intrigas".

A juicio de Petras, al principio, los estadounidenses tratarán de descalificar la victoria, después, tratarán de desestabilizar el Gobierno y luego van a intentar acciones para provocar la violencia.

"Obama es un terrorista. Ya hemos visto como lanza guerras contra Libia, contra Siria, amenaza a Irán, utiliza drones para asesinar, tiene toda una biografía de violencia. Y frente a Venezuela, Clinton, Obama, Panetta, esta troika de mafiosos obviamente está pensando en cualquier acción que pudiera crear el caos en ese país", puntualizó el analista norteamericano.

Para concluir, Petras aseguró que Chávez ha llamado a crear un Comando para preparar medidas preventivas contra estas amenazas.

SOURCE: http://www.rnv.gov.ve/noticias/?act=ST&f=29&t=183077


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Q
7th May 2012, 03:45
In an election year while only just closing the book on Afghanistan and with sabre rattling currently more on Iran? I doubt it.

Also, is there an English translation of that article?

Vyacheslav Brolotov
7th May 2012, 03:55
None of this is gonna happen. Just another conspiracy theory. Moving on.

Prometeo liberado
7th May 2012, 04:03
10% of people who are neither a minority of or with the 38.25% of others favoring.....Makes no sense does it comrade? Thats how I feel when every time I read your posts! Please clarify with beforehand that it is in Spanish, please!! YOU ARE KILLING ME, A-B-S-O-L-U-T-E-L-Y KILLING ME!!!!. dear friend.

jookyle
7th May 2012, 04:03
It was tried when he was first elected into office. He was kidnapped, and the soldiers that kidnapped him had to much respect for him to kill him. And the people rioted in the streets for his return. He was back in his presidential chair with in 24 hours after the coup first started.

Considering they failed that time because of how the people organized and fought back, and that the South American countries are so united now, it seems like it would be hard to pull off at the present time. Although I'm sure they'd love to do it.

Bronco
7th May 2012, 04:09
In an election year while only just closing the book on Afghanistan and with sabre rattling currently more on Iran? I doubt it.

Also, is there an English translation of that article?

This is the (quite poor) translation Google gave me:



The U.S. government is planning to overthrow the president of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, after the failure of the opposition victory in the presidential election on October 7, revealed on Monday James Petras, academic and political analyst for the United States. "It evident. All polls show that Chavez has between 20 and 30 percent lead over the right candidate, (Henrique) Capriles, "Petras said after being asked about the Venezuelan pre-election situation in an interview with the Radio Centenario in Uruguay. The U.S. analyst said the U.S. president, Barack Obama, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA, for its acronym in English), Leon Panetta, plan the Chavez's government fell, but they can not do, "so far are in line with various intrigues." According to Petras, at first, the Americans will try to disqualify the victory, then try to destabilize the government and then go actions to try to provoke violence. "Obama is a terrorist. We have seen how wars launched against Libya, against Syria, Iran threat, use drones to kill, has a whole biography of violence. And against Venezuela, Clinton, Obama , Panetta, this troika of mobsters obviously are thinking about any action that would create chaos in that country, "the American analyst. In conclusion, Petras said that Chavez has called for creating a Command to develop preventive measures against these threats.

No mention of the "invasion" the OP referred to though

TrotskistMarx
7th May 2012, 04:13
Indeed, I guess this is just a theory by James Petras, but it might be a theory that might come true. I think leftist leaders should be realists, and rely on political realism on the evil nature of capitalist imperialist governments. Many leftist leaders of the past have been too inocent and too naive like Salvador Allende, Manuel Zelaya, JFK and even Gabrielle Giffords. The world of politics is very evil, and full of treason, vengeance and all kinds of dark passions.

And you have to realize that the hardliners of the ultra-right wing side of the US government like Connie Mack, Liliahna Rohs, The Lincoln Diaz Balart Family (Of The Cuban right-wing lobby of Florida), John Mccain, Bob Menendez, and other extremist ultra-right wingers representatives and senators. Are hissing, forcing, tempting Obama, Hillary and The US Armed Forces into the great need of invading Venezuela. Remember that these extremist ultra-right wing pro-war militarist terrorists have the best psychologic tools at their disposal to mind-manipulating psychologists graduated from state of the art linguistic colleges Yale, Harvard College, etc, that write this damn psychological manipulating speeches, where even smart people fall into their trap. And remember that they also control the media of USA. Specially the spanish speaking TV news channels like Univision and Telemundo that are ultra-right wing extremist TV channels. And you have to realize that James Petras is one of the best writters out there about Latin American related politics, he has contacts with the politicians and burocracy of the left-leaning governments of Latin America like Bolivia, Ecuador, Cuba and Venezuela.

Watch this video of a show by the ultra-right spanish TV station Univision, doing a propaganda for the Cuban right-wing lobby of the US government that are supporting an invasion of Venezuela and the smashing and overthrow of the Hugo Chavez Revolution:


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this show is called "La Amenaza Irani", where according to that show the government of Venezuela is building nuclear bombs. According to these pro-invasion of Venezuela shows, the US Empire is preparing the stage, with the help of CNN en espanol, Univision and Telemundo for the official overthrow of Hugo Chavez.

This is not really a theory, this is a preventive measure by James Petras, warning and preventing Hugo Chavez to be alert against the axis of evil of USA-NATO.

Besides, look at how they overthrow Qaddafi, and they even killed him, how they overthrew Saddam Hussein, and how they tried to overthrow Hugo Chavez in 2002. And how they overthrew Manuel Zelaya in Honduras.

The US government has a history of overthrowing presidents from other countries. Overthrowing presidents is as normal as baseball for America !!


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None of this is gonna happen. Just another conspiracy theory. Moving on.

Yazman
7th May 2012, 05:58
None of this is gonna happen. Just another conspiracy theory. Moving on.

Just another conspiracy theory? You're talking about a regime that has had at least two US-backed coups occur in recent years. One of them was almost successful, too.

Now I don't know about these claims - I'm not sure what to think - BUT, such claims are NOT "conspiracy theory" - in fact, with multiple coups firmly in the realm of conspiracy fact, it seems ignorant to suggest they wouldn't try it again. Especially given their record with shit like this.

Vyacheslav Brolotov
7th May 2012, 06:05
Just another conspiracy theory? You're talking about a regime that has had at least two US-backed coups occur in recent years. One of them was almost successful, too.

Now I don't know about these claims - I'm not sure what to think - BUT, such claims are NOT "conspiracy theory" - in fact, with multiple coups firmly in the realm of conspiracy fact, it seems ignorant to suggest they wouldn't try it again. Especially given their record with shit like this.

A coup in the current state of things, especially in the US, would be unlikely.

Plus, the way TrotskistMarx described it sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Obviously, US backed coups are real, but they don't just happen whenever.

honest john's firing squad
7th May 2012, 06:07
you make the worst posts trotskistmarx, completely devoid of content. please stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

REDSOX
7th May 2012, 14:20
So what's new? The United states has been constantly trying to undermine Chavez since he was elected to power in 1999. They have been trying to overthrow castro since 1959 and failed, they have tried to destabalise evo morales, and Ecuador's Rafael correa as well. Christina Fernandez better watch out as well, she has been descibed as populist in some circles in the USA and Hilary clinton has reportedly asked the CIA to do a psycological profile on her. Whats new

brigadista
7th May 2012, 14:30
they tried that once before - didnt work :)