Hello Comrades

[TheMyth]

Hi, i am from Portugal and I'm a strong supporter of marxism-leninism. Apart from the theory, my major political reference is Josef Stalin since he was the socialist leader who applied leninist main principles more rigorously from my point of view. It's not by chance that he was also the most successful socialist leader.
I Hate Revisionism and nations .

I hope i learn more about Marxism-Leninism

[MustCrushCapitalism]

Welcome to RevLeft comrade. Always great to see another ML here.

[Comrade Samuel]

Greetings comrade, you've come to the right place!

[TheMyth]

Thanks :)

It was JAM who brought me to ML

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Greetings comrade, you've come to the right place!

HAHA HAHAHA!
RevLeft=the right place for us Marxist-Leninists?

It's a good place, but not the best place. I feel that the OP will soon see all the evidence he needs to learn that the ultra-left side of the revolutionary leftist movement is a scary and intellectually dark place.

[Caj]

Welcome to the forum.


I feel that the OP will soon see all the evidence he needs to learn that the ultra-left side of the revolutionary leftist movement is a scary and intellectually dark place.

Thanks for the laugh.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Welcome comrade!

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Howdy and a welcome.

[JAM]

Welcome Myth. It's a case to say: finally.

[TheMyth]

Thanks to everyone . I will stick with MLsince it was the most sucesseful .

[OHumanista]

Welcome depite the fact you're a revisionist.:D (nothing better than a trot joke at MLism to get things started). Anyway have fun and learn what you can from Revleft.

[Robespierres Neck]

HAHA HAHAHA!
RevLeft=the right place for us Marxist-Leninists?

It's a good place, but not the best place. I feel that the OP will soon see all the evidence he needs to learn that the ultra-left side of the revolutionary leftist movement is a scary and intellectually dark place.

There seems to be a lot more MLs have been signing up here recently.

Strength in numbers. ;)

Welcome, comrade.

[Omsk]

Welcome comrade.Feel free to ask questions when in doubt or ask for opinions among other ML's. You should also join the Marxist-Leninist user group.I am sure you will learn a lot about the path which is Marxism-Leninism.The influx of new members the ML group is experiencing is is not disappointing,in fact,it's one of the reasons why i am still regularly posting on this forum. But it's good that we are getting members which are active both here,and more importantly in the 'real world'.

Again,welcome.

[NorwegianCommunist]

Welcome to this forum comrade =)

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Hola from a anti-Stalinist, left communist.

[TheMyth]

Thanks :)
I already join the Ml group and Humanist the fact shows that trots are the revisionists but that it's a thread to other place .

[OHumanista]

Thanks :)
I already join the Ml group and Humanist the fact shows that trots are the revisionists but that it's a thread to other place .

Hehehehe, no worries. Have fun.:D
As coisas estão bem agitadas aqui em Portugal.

[Offbeat]

Welcome!

We have another comrade from Portugal, he's called TheRedAnarchist23. I'm sure you'll get along great with him.

:rolleyes:

[Brosip Tito]

Hey, welcome to revleft!

I'm one of those scary "ultra-leftists" that everyone talks about. So, if you fear learning, being open to reading things that disagree with Stalin and Marxism-Leninism, stay away from us "ultra-leftists".

I'm sure you're like the rest of the ML crowd, and would rather just call everyone who disagrees with you "ultra-leftists" or "revisionist" or "Trot scum", and refuse to read the "bourgeois" or "ultra-left" propaganda we suggest anyways.

[Omsk]

Would you read something i would recommend to you,Order? Because,in most of the cases, you and the rest of your like-minded friends simply ignore things which prove your 'arguments' are not that precise,correct,and well..arguments.

[Brosip Tito]

Would you read something i would recommend to you,Order? Because,in most of the cases, you and the rest of your like-minded friends.If I haven't already read it. I've read Stalin, and I've read Hoxha. Not everything, of course. Then, we can't believe everything one writes in a book now, cvan we? We must also look at practice, and the practice is where we find reasoning NOT to read Stalin in the first place.

What do you have in mind?

Note: I'm not expecting you to suggest any Marx or Lenin to support your ideals. I'm expecting only ML's.

[Rooster]

Would you read something i would recommend to you,Order? Because,in most of the cases, you and the rest of your like-minded friends.

I've read all of that anti-revisionist economic crap that gets posted.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Would you read something i would recommend to you,Order? Because,in most of the cases, you and the rest of your like-minded friends simply ignore things which prove your 'arguments' are not that precise,correct,and well..arguments.

They (the demagogic ones) are full of shit; what do you expect?

[Omsk]

If I haven't already read it. I've read Stalin, and I've read Hoxha. Not everything, of course.


Not what i had in mind.I was more thinking of non-fiction books,various books.


Note: I'm not expecting you to suggest any Marx or Lenin to support your ideals. I'm expecting only ML's.

What do you mean with this? Lenin can't 'support me' if the subject is something he was not alive to see.



I've read all of that anti-revisionist economic crap that gets posted.


I really doubt that.And i was not thinking of 'economic crap'.

[Brosip Tito]

Not what i had in mind.I was more thinking of non-fiction books,various books.What do you recommend?

And you mean you were thinking of "fiction" books.



What do you mean with this?I mean, when it comes to supporting Marxism-Leninism, it's neither Marx nor Lenin which is used to support the ideals of Marxism-Leninism, but Stalin, Hoxha or whichever ML apologist is out there with a book.

Sure, Stalin may claim to be using Marx and Lenin, but why can't you do it, rather than go through the proxy of Stalin.

[Rooster]

I really doubt that.And i was not thinking of 'economic crap'.

I have. And I really doubt that a text that starts of with stuff like "The Glorious Leader Comrade Stalin" are going to unbiased and present things in a materialist way. I've read other crap from anti-revisionists as well and it still amounts to the same thing; a non-materialist outlook that bases it's outlook on political example.

[Omsk]

What do you recommend?



My question was a rhetorical one,i just wanted to recommend how closed you people can be to literature which is going against your arguments.



And you mean you were thinking of "fiction" books.



No,no,i was thinking about non-fiction books,works on history,theory etc etc.


I mean, when it comes to supporting Marxism-Leninism, it's neither Marx nor Lenin which is used to support the ideals of Marxism-Leninism, but Stalin, Hoxha and other Marxist-Leninists.

I usually quote Lenin when i argue for my points.


I have. And I really doubt that a text that starts of with stuff like "The Glorious Leader Comrade Stalin" are going to unbiased and present things in a materialist way. I've read other crap from anti-revisionists as well and it still amounts to the same thing; a non-materialist outlook that bases it's outlook on political example.

Do you even know what i am talking about? What historians starts his work with : "Glorious Leader Comrade Stalin" ?

[Ismail]

I really doubt that a text that starts of with stuff like "The Glorious Leader Comrade Stalin" are going to unbiased and present things in a materialist way.But publications extolling the greatness of Luxemburg, or the clear and present necessity of the Revolutionary Internationalist Committee of the Fifth International and its role in saving humanity, are?

I know what article (http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv13n1/smolin.htm) you're talking about. It is indeed a good article which explains the Marxist-Leninist basis of Stalin's calls for the replacement of commodity circulation in the countryside with products-exchange. I don't know why you're looking for "unbiased" information when you specifically want Marxist-Leninist views on economics, nor do I see what impact praising Stalin at the start has on anything. Albanian articles tended to praise Hoxha at the start as well.

[Brosip Tito]

But publications extolling the greatness of Luxemburg, or the clear and present necessity of the Revolutionary Internationalist Committee of the Fifth International and its role in saving humanity, are? Can you really compare the fanboy attitude toward Stalin, calling him "glorious leader comrade Stalin", to anything written about Luxemburg?

Sure, you can find words of praise in almost every text about her (usually in the introduction), yet she is rarely even labelled "Comrade Rosa" or "Comrade Luxemburg". Merely Luxemburg or Rosa.

The language used is totally different, even in Frolich's biography of Luxemburg, compared to shit wrote about Stalin.

[honest john's firing squad]

HAHA HAHAHA!
oh god the font size why do you do this to us

[Ismail]

Can you really compare the fanboy attitude toward Stalin, calling him "glorious leader comrade Stalin", to anything written about Luxemburg?

Sure, you can find words of praise in almost every text about her (usually in the introduction), yet she is rarely even labelled "Comrade Rosa" or "Comrade Luxemburg". Merely Luxemburg or Rosa.

The language used is totally different, even in Frolich's biography of Luxemburg, compared to shit wrote about Stalin.Rosa Luxemburg also lived in Germany, not peasant-majority Russia where, as Stalin himself noted, people were accustomed to such worship so long as their consciousness remained low. In any case Trotsky was all like "HOW DARE STALIN COMPARE LUXEMBURG TO CENTRISTS RNNNGHH" when Stalin noted some of her faults.

Of course if we look at the article I linked to, the author described Stalin's Economic Problems of Socialism in the U.S.S.R. as a "work of genius." It is indeed an important work and one which the revisionists attacked as "left-deviationist" after Stalin's death. The rest of the article is just fine.