KKE and Golden Dawn members in public fight

[Delenda Carthago]

Ξύλο μεταξύ ΚΚΕ και Χρυσής Αυγής στη Ρόδο!

http://www.tsantiri.gr/wp-content/media/2012/05/21-300x228.jpgΑφίσα της 21ης Απριλίου όπου είχε τοποθετηθεί έξω από το εκλογικό κέντρο του 1ου δημοτικού σχολείου στο δημοτικό διαμέρισμα Κοσκινού!
Μέλος του ΚΚΕ προσπάθησε να την κατεβάσει και μέλη της Χρυσής Αυγής πιάστηκαν στα χέρια με μέλη του Κομμουνιστικού κόμματος στην προσπάθεια να τους αποτρέψουν.
Αμέσως 2-3 άτομα, μέλη της Χρυσής Αυγής, επιτέθηκαν φραστικά και προπηλάκισαν τον ενοχλημένο από το θέαμα Κομουνιστή ο οποίος ανταπάντησε στην επίθεση.
Η επέμβαση της Αστυνομίας ήταν άμεση και επανήλθε η τάξη και η ομαλή διεξαγωγή της ψηφοφορίας ενώ στο σημείο παραμένει ισχυρή αστυνομική δύναμη υπό τον φόβο νέων επεισοδίων.
Σε λίγο το video



A poster of April 21(i.e. the day the military Junta started in 1967) which was placed outside the polling station of the first elementary school in the Koskinou district !

A member of the Communist Party tried to tear it and members of the Golden Dawn were caught in the hands with members of the Communist Party in an attempt to deter them.

Immediately 2-3 persons, members of the Golden Dawn, and verbally attacked the irritated by the sight communist who countered the attack.

The police intervention was immediate and came back order and proper conduct of the vote while point remains strong police force in fear of new attacks.
Video coming soon.But, but, how? Dont they collaborate with the nazis? Arent they best friends? Buddies?Amigos? Essays? Someone from the othe side of the Atlantic can explain please? :confused:

[bcbm]

people argying over a poster is news now?:

[Delenda Carthago]

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Right. In here if someone farts in an elevator with a nazi in it is news, exept when KKE fights in the street with them right?

[Sasha]

The SPD had a militant military wing that fought brutal street conflicts with the SA, that doesn't detract from the fact they still ended up on the wrong side of history..
You seriously need to stop equaling our problems with the KKE leadership and its ideological/practical path with an attack on its rank and file members, of course these are mostly solidly revolutionary proletarian comrades that is exactly the problem as class make up of the membership says little about the party as a whole. Like said, plenty of leftist workers in the pre-war SPD, hell I'm sure you could even find plenty in the SA.

[ed miliband]

yo that poster is so small, the kke gave golden dawn much more publicity when they let them speak on that picket line

[Delenda Carthago]

The SPD had a militant military wing that fought brutal street conflicts with the SA, that doesn't detract from the fact they still ended up on the wrong side of history..
You seriously need to stop equaling our problems with the KKE leadership and its ideological/practical path with an attack on its rank and file members, of course these are mostly solidly revolutionary proletarian comrades that is exactly the problem as class make up of the membership says little about the party as a whole. Like said, plenty of leftist workers in the pre-war SPD, hell I'm sure you could even find plenty in the SA.
There is no distinction between the leadership and the base of that party. KKE members are really active in the politics descision making of the party and they support the leadership because they agree with it. I have no idea about the internal function of SPD, but I really doubt it was that organic.

And as far as the fascists go, PSD and KKE have two completly different analyses on the subject. SPD was talking about the "rise of the extremes", and presented itself as the secure way for society to avoid that, KKE is being attacked with the same argument(and its not by luck that the bourgeois politics use the name of Weimar Republic all the time when they talk about KKE and GD).

[Delenda Carthago]

yo that poster is so small, the kke gave golden dawn much more publicity when they let them speak on that picket line

They must have it prescheduled so that they would promote GD!

[Delenda Carthago]

Pf, FAIL.

The video is after the fight.

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[Sasha]

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There is no distinction between the leadership and the base of that party. KKE members are really active in the politics descision making of the party and they support the leadership because they agree with it

That's sad, I had some good hopes for Greece its future, guess some social-democratic reformism would be the best to come out of it then, it will that or another pointless struggle between a new junta vs a state-capitalist dictatorship that will leave countless workers dead and capitalist exploitation solidly intact.

[Delenda Carthago]

That's sad, I had some good hopes for Greece its future, guess some social-democratic reformism would be the best to come out of it then, it will that or another pointless struggle between a new junta vs a state-capitalist dictatorship that will leave countless workers dead and capitalist exploitation solidly intact.
Poor us.:crying:

I hope social democracy would be the outcome too, because 2,5 years of PASOK was the best years of our lives.

[Sasha]

Poor us.:crying:

I hope social democracy would be the outcome too, because 2,5 years of PASOK was the best years of our lives.


only a throug and through confused leftist would descibe PASOK as social-democratic...

i meant to say that i hope that the KKE ballance falls in the direction of the dutch SP (ex-maoist), the several euro"communism"parties or the nepalese maoists... because no matter how bad that is it will still be better than the only other alternative the KKE seem to have as a potential for the greeks... it sure as hell doesnt have any communism in its future...

[Animarossa]

KKE and the Golden Dawn are two faces of the same coin.

Both parties filled with patriotic retoric, defense of the motherland and stuff...

not to forget the fact that the KKE placed himself, well actually is labour union "Pame", in front of the greek parliment to protect it against so called autonomous-anarchist and other leftist who don't agree with their stalinist line.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

couldn't have put it better myself comrade!

[Kornilios Sunshine]

KKE and the Golden Dawn are two faces of the same coin.

Both parties filled with patriotic retoric, defense of the motherland and stuff...

not to forget the fact that the KKE placed himself, well actually is labour union "Pame", in front of the greek parliment to protect it against so called autonomous-anarchist and other leftist who don't agree with their stalinist line.
Yes, let me also remind you that Golden Dawn is NOT a patriotic party but a shitty nazi nationalist one and if you think their places are the same with the KKE, you should think it again or consult a psychiatrist. As for the supposed parliamentary "protection" from P.A.ME I will not speak again for this, I have argued in a whole thread about this and I can tell you I have lost 5 hours of my life during this.

[Ravachol]

But, but, how? Dont they collaborate with the nazis? Arent they best friends? Buddies?Amigos? Essays? Someone from the othe side of the Atlantic can explain please? :confused:

I'll stay on topic. It's not uncommon for conservative, liberal, christian-democrat or social-democrat party members to remove nazi posters from Germany to Spain, so what? In fact, 'autonomous nationalists' have been known to remove propaganda by the traditional far right and sometimes even engage in physical confrontation with them.

What are you trying to prove with these topics? Are your panties in such a bunch after the GD incident at the steelworks? Are you so desperate to convince us the KKE isn't in bed with GD? If that doesn't speak for itself (to us or to you) that should be food for thought...

[Kornilios Sunshine]

I'll stay on topic. It's not uncommon for conservative, liberal, christian-democrat or social-democrat party members to remove nazi posters from Germany to Spain, so what? In fact, 'autonomous nationalists' have been known to remove propaganda by the traditional far right and sometimes even engage in physical confrontation with them.

What are you trying to prove with these topics? Are your panties in such a bunch after the GD incident at the steelworks? Are you so desperate to convince us the KKE isn't in bed with GD? If that doesn't speak for itself (to us or to you) that should be food for thought...
You are fucking up someone that GD is collaborating with KKE which is very slandering and after he proves this is not true, you are telling him why is he so upset with proving GD has no relation with KKE? WTF?

[Ravachol]

You are fucking up someone that GD is collaborating with KKE which is very slandering and after he proves this is not true, you are telling him why is he so upset with proving GD has no relation with KKE? WTF?

No, we pointed out that the obvious presence of GD members and their rather warm welcome at the steel works, with the knowledge of KKE cadre, was unacceptable. We're not saying they're structurally working together, that'd be an absurd claim (at least, without proper evidence).

[Anarchist Skinhead]

oh.. that guy again :)

[gorillafuck]

people argying over a poster is news now?:it is in this context. especially on a website where people hear about four nazis who live in different states meeting and start acting like there's a nazi threat.


Yes, let me also remind you that Golden Dawn is NOT a patriotic party but a shitty nazi nationalist one and....etcgolden dawn is obviously a patriotic party. how are they not patriotic?

[Raúl Duke]

No, we pointed out that the obvious presence of GD members and their rather warm welcome at the steel works, with the knowledge of KKE cadre, was unacceptable. We're not saying they're structurally working together, that'd be an absurd claim (at least, without proper evidence). The fact that KKE got into a fight with GD and this makes me think history repeats itself.

The GD is a far-right, nazi and/or fascist party, correct?

In the past, there was a strike in Berlin (or some Northern German city) which the KPD was organizing. Nazis showed up and joined them. Than both the KPD and the Nazis were fighting cops, allegedly the head of the police in the city was a member of the SPD.

Nevertheless, besides that one moment the KPD spent a lot of time fighting Nazis in the streets.

But to be honest, what's so note-worthy about a scuffle over posters?
Are the KKE going to go on a campaign to street-fight the GD now?

[PhoenixAsh]

personally I applaud anybody who attacks Nazi's and defends their streets and schools from the propganda and presence. So good for those KKE members....

That said....the way this thread is brought is offcourse passive aggressive defense. Which is understandable since the KKE has come under increasing criticism for their actions and behaviour and subsequently politics and tactics.
Rightfully so IMO. But opinions differ.

But the motivation behind the op...well....that leaves a couple of questions...

Now...how and why exactly is it possible for a handful of induvidual KKE members to attack Nazi's at a school and election place...but not in their factories and their demonstrations when in that last place the concern was for the plurality of the strike and argumenst were made that everybody was allowed to speak (this naturally counts more so for elections). Why exactly doesn't this count for the schools and elections in the eyes of the KKE. What is different? Seeing as the KKE places, as a supposed and self proclaimed revolutionary party, a huge amount of energy in focussing on workplace organisation one simply has to wonder why this excluded the kicking out of Nazis?

Where and when exactly did the KKE organise a (clandestine??) militia force to oppose the GD and swipe the streets clean...you know...as party policy to give no platform to Nazi's? Or is this in the process of happening???

[PhoenixAsh]

personally I applaud anybody who attacks Nazi's and defends their streets and schools from the propganda and presence. So good for those KKE members....

That said....the way this thread is brought is offcourse passive aggressive defense. Which is understandable since the KKE has come under increasing criticism for their actions and behaviour and subsequently politics and tactics.
Rightfully so IMO. But opinions differ.

But the motivation behind the op...well....that leaves a couple of questions...

Now...how and why exactly is it possible for a handful of induvidual KKE members to attack Nazi's at a school and election place...but not in their factories and their demonstrations when in that last place the concern was for the plurality of the strike and argumenst were made that everybody was allowed to speak (this naturally counts more so for elections). Why exactly doesn't this count for the schools and elections in the eyes of the KKE. What is different? Seeing as the KKE places, as a supposed and self proclaimed revolutionary party, a huge amount of energy in focussing on workplace organisation one simply has to wonder why this excluded the kicking out of Nazis?

Where and when exactly did the KKE organise a (clandestine??) militia force to oppose the GD and swipe the streets clean...you know...as party policy to give no platform to Nazi's? Or is this in the process of happening???

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

There is no distinction between the leadership and the base of that party.
In your dreams, comrade. That is a ridiculous statement unless the KKE is a completely homogeneous organization. Seems highly dubious.

[NoPasaran1936]

This will be the only time I've looked forward to Parliamentary debates. GD have to sit next to the KKE.

[Anarchist Skinhead]

and I assume nothing will happen as KKE has done fuck all against GD during all those years..

[Imposter Marxist]

two state capitalists fighting for their own path to 'socialism'

[Luís Henrique]

But, but, how? Dont they collaborate with the nazis?

Yes, and that is actually an instance of that. Golden Dawn wants to degrade politics into street brawls between paramilitary organisations, and the left, as usual, is willing to oblige...


Arent they best friends? Buddies?Amigos?

Nope, they aren't. They are frères enemmis, sibling foes, and of course they will be at each other throats as often as possible. Both are necessary parts of a process of fascitisation, though - as are their reciprocal hatred and their physical confrontations.

Luís Henrique