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TrotskistMarx
4th May 2012, 06:22
Dear friends, read this article about the need of the Venezuelan Bolivarian Revolution to revolve and evolve further to the left, by nationalizating more corporations under workers-control:

For all revolutionaries it is perfectly clear that 2012 will be a defining year of important challenges. Currently, the Bolivarian revolution is at a cross-road. Either we radicalise the revolution and we deepen its changes, or the reformist politics which seek to simply regulate capitalism, as opposed to eliminating it, could lead the revolution to suffer a dangerous defeat in both the long and medium term.

As Marxists, however, we also understand perfectly that there is huge support for the Bolivarian revolution and our comrade-president (Hugo Chavez) from the working class and the exploited masses. That is why on October 7th the working class in our country will turn out in massive numbers in defence of our socialist revolution.

Of course this doesn’t mean that everything is a bed of roses. The vanguard of the working class and the popular movement knows that at the helm of the revolutionary process there is a layer of leaders that have gained power and which have also simultaneously acquired great privilege; they have started to leave behind the popular struggle, the struggle which will advance the cause of the working class and the exploited masses to free themselves from capitalist oppression and power, and at the same time win back some dignity in their living conditions.

This reformist leadership which is content to simply modify capitalism, for instance in controlling the selling price of items or regulating private banks, but which is not ready to break with the capitalists and actually nationalise the banks, industry or large landed-estates and put them under the control of the working class and organised communities so that both the spiritual and material needs of the people might actually be satisfied, is currently criminally putting the brakes on the revolutionary process.

It is true that the missions and social policy developed by our comrade-president have allowed for a significant improvement in life-quality for our people in terms of health, education, access to food, culture and sport. However, whilst the bourgeois state remains intact, and whilst great swathes of the economy are currently in the hands of capitalists, large landed-estate owners and bankers; it is impossible to give a definitive answer to some of the most urgent needs of the masses; the lack of housing, access to employment, transport, health and security. Whilst this continues to be the situation, there is a possibility that important sectors of the population which support the revolution will become apathetic, demobilised and worn out. History offers us harsh and tragic examples of this.

In this sense the presidential elections on October 7th will play a crucial role for the revolutionary process. As we have already said, we are confident that the revolutionary masses will defend the revolutionary process to the end; before, during and after October 7th. However, the counter-revolutionary work being done by the bureaucratic “fifth column” (opposition posing as revolutionaries within government) inside of our own rank and file also has consequences. The glorious Sandinista Revolution, although many people do not know this, was defeated at the ballot box.

Daniel Ortega was the candidate for the Sandinista front in the presidential elections of 1989, and in spite of the huge support which he had amongst the working class and farmers, it was not sufficient to overcome the bourgeois candidate at the ballot box. What was the reason for this defeat? Mainly that a great number of the revolutionary masses, having seen that their most urgent problems were never resolved by the revolution, were weakened and fell into apathy.

In this case we should also take into account the pressure that the effect of the criminal civil war, promoted by North American imperialism with the Nicaraguan bourgeoisie, had on the consciousness of the masses which supported the FSLN. However, there was a more deciding factor than this.

On taking power the leadership of the FSLN, as well as a good part of the PSUV leadership, degenerated into bureaucracy as a consequence of the opulence and privileges which they acquired. The old combative and revolutionary guerrilla leadership of the FSLN fell into reformism, and its only interest was to live off of the revolution and not for the revolution. This is why this leadership was content to merely reform Nicaraguan capitalism without intending to expropriate the capitalists, demolish the bourgeois state and build socialism.

If the FSLN leadership had nationalised the banks, expropriated the large landed estate owners, handed over the land to farmers and nationalised the country’s industries with the active participation of the Nicaraguan working class, like the Cuban Revolution did in the 1960s, then Nicaraguan workers’ and farmers’ support for the revolution would have been so strong and powerful that without a doubt, the imperialists wouldn’t have been able to defeat the revolution, not even by using the criminal and murderous “contras” plan.

The revolutionary workers and farmers of Nicaragua would have absolutely destroyed the imperialists, with even more strength than in Vietnam, and Ortega would have been swept to victory in the elections. It is important to point out that this is not just the “philosophising” of some crazy and radical Marxists as some reformists like to make out, but rather these theses are based on the science of history, which our comrade-president is constantly exhorting us to learn of and study.

The lessons for Venezuela are obvious; here are the great challenges which face us revolutionaries. On winning the October 7th elections, we must immediately radicalise the revolution and push it further to the left, as the only way of guaranteeing a forceful advance towards socialism and ensuring the definitive victory of the Bolivarian revolution over the reactionary forces.

SOURCE: http://www.marxist.com/venezuela-dangers-of-failing-to-deepen-revolution.htm

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honest john's firing squad
4th May 2012, 08:13
The "Venezuelan revolution", you say?

No, can't say I've heard of it.

Workers-Control-Over-Prod
4th May 2012, 08:23
Yes, i agree, i hope it happens. In Bolivia you might know, the government nationalised a Spanish imperialist electric company and now control over 75% of the country's electricity, on top of the huge amounts of half the world's Lithium supply that they are trying to develop themselves. Bolivia needs to radicalise even more now and spend more money on social programs as people seem to be getting rather discouraged there.

corolla
4th May 2012, 08:28
And what Venezuelan revolution might that be?

Per Levy
4th May 2012, 09:12
did the proletariat rise up and are overthrowing their bourgeois masters? i sure as hell support that. oh wait that isnt happening at all in venezuela.

hashem
4th May 2012, 10:21
there is no sign of a revolution in venezuela. left wing of bourgeoisie is ruling there. proletariat should not lose its class independence. bourgeoisie will betray proletariat sooner of later. leftist better prepare for that day instead of praising chavez.

The Hong Se Sun
4th May 2012, 16:28
I oppose imperialist intervention in Venezuela but as far as a revolution? no, they are a progressive state for the most part but revolutionaries wouldn't be arresting fellow revolutionaries and shipping them to US puppet states (I'm talking about Colombia)

hatzel
4th May 2012, 16:34
You know I'm not gonna bother...

Mass Grave Aesthetics
4th May 2012, 16:41
In this sense the presidential elections on October 7th will play a crucial role for the revolutionary process. As we have already said, we are confident that the revolutionary masses will defend the revolutionary process to the end; before, during and after October 7th. However, the counter-revolutionary work being done by the bureaucratic “fifth column” (opposition posing as revolutionaries within government) inside of our own rank and file also has consequences. The glorious Sandinista Revolution, although many people do not know this, was defeated at the ballot box.

The lessons for Venezuela are obvious; here are the great challenges which face us revolutionaries. On winning the October 7th elections, we must immediately radicalise the revolution and push it further to the left, as the only way of guaranteeing a forceful advance towards socialism and ensuring the definitive victory of the Bolivarian revolution over the reactionary forces.

SOURCE: http://www.marxist.com/venezuela-dangers-of-failing-to-deepen-revolution.htm
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Oh my...the IMT really believes that bullshit fantasy it puts forward as "analysis", doesn´t it?:rolleyes:

Raúl Duke
5th May 2012, 22:31
There's no revolution that's happening in Venezuela that I can think of.
But a strong wave of reformism and a re-assertion of sovereignty against the US; which is all good and dandy for Venezuela and South America (a region historically bossed around by the US) but let's be serious and not go around calling it a "revolution" or anything.

REDSOX
7th May 2012, 14:45
Every leftist should support the revolutionary process in Venezuela and that means voting for the PSUV and Hugo chavez despite their faults because the alternative in this election contest is neo liberalism. Simples!!!!. I would agree however that there has been no revolution in Venezuela because the old order has not been overthrown just undermined unlike say in Cuba. But i say Vote Chavez, Vote PSUV/PCV(same ticket) because for socialists and communists its the only show in town. When Chavez wins, as he will then all socialists and communists must push for even more radical and revolutionary change in Venezuela for the ultimate goal of a nationalised planned economy with workers, peasents, and community self management

Jimmie Higgins
7th May 2012, 14:59
Every leftist should support the revolutionary process in Venezuela and that means voting for the PSUV and Hugo chavez despite their faults because the alternative in this election contest is neo liberalism. Simples!!!!. I would agree however that there has been no revolution in Venezuela because the old order has not been overthrown just undermined unlike say in Cuba. But i say Vote Chavez, Vote PSUV/PCV(same ticket) because for socialists and communists its the only show in town. When Chavez wins, as he will then all socialists and communists must push for even more radical and revolutionary change in Venezuela for the ultimate goal of a nationalised planned economy with workers, peasents, and community self management

I'm not registered for the election yet... oh I just checked and I have to live there in order to vote apparently.:lol:

I don't support Chavez and I wouldn't vote for him if I lived there either. He may be better than regular neo-liberalism or a coup, but ultimately if workers don't organize their own independent force and opposition, either through coup or Chavez himself capitalism will remain (reformed in the best case scenario, but that's it). So I think most people are suspicious of these calls to support Chavez in this way because when it's not for a concrete purpose (like opposing a coup or some maneuvering by US imperialism) and you don't actually live in the country, it really just sounds like a call to be uncritical towards Chavez.

REDSOX
7th May 2012, 15:05
But there is no other show in town comrade. Its between chavez and the neo liberal candidate. Thats the reality, its between a man who has enacted a lot of reforms benefiting the working class but who has faults, and a man which would get rid of it all. Any other course of action is stupidity at the very least, criminal at worst. So vote Chavez would be my advice to any venezuelan

ForgedConscience
7th May 2012, 15:22
How do we expect anyone to rise up Redsox if they are being constantly appeased by the bourgeoisie with reforms and false promises of a better future for the workers?

I'll take permanent justice over that any day, even if it means that conditions have to temporarily worsen.

eyeheartlenin
7th May 2012, 23:58
I oppose imperialist intervention in Venezuela but as far as a revolution? no, they are a progressive state for the most part but revolutionaries wouldn't be arresting fellow revolutionaries and shipping them to US puppet states (I'm talking about Colombia)

The comrade describes himself as a Marxist-Leninist. Fine, then; in terms of Marxism, specifically, in terms of Lenin's great composition, State and Revolution, I ask, what is a progressive state?

Surely, at this late date, of capitalism's senescence, the only "progressive state" is the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat, which undertakes the historic task of abolishing the state, forever.

And, clearly, with Chávez aspiring to the position of life-long President, there is no proletarian dictatorship existing in Venezuela, just the "Bolivarian" republic, in which, under the (chavista) Constitution, private ownership of means of production is perfectly legal.

So the bourgeois Venezuelan republic, which stands guard over the extraction of surplus value from workers in Venezuela, is certainly not a "progressive state," and, remarkably, in Chávez' 13 years in power, the existing bourgeois state was never even disturbed, (has, in fact, been strengthened, with those "thousands" of Russian missiles and some Russian helicopters, in addition) much less, overthrown.

TheGodlessUtopian
8th May 2012, 00:17
Of course I support the Venezuelan Revolution, I understand that the process of revolution is a slow and steady one that has many ups and downs.There is no time frame for when Venezuela will go socialist but hopefully it will be sooner rather than later; when the working class breaks away from reformist politics and asserts themselves.

Permanent Revolutionary
8th May 2012, 00:26
I have to agree. The Bolivarian Revolution, is not happening hastily, which may be for the better, if we look at it from a historical perspective.

Blake's Baby
8th May 2012, 00:27
Well, I too support the revolution of the Venezuelan people.

I'll be really happy if it happens soon.

The Hong Se Sun
3rd June 2012, 18:03
@eyehartlenin

You got me there, you are most correct comrade. I used "progressive state" in much too broad of context. In everyday conversation (not in leftist meetings or on leftist sites) I use "progressive state" to mean 'a nicer capitalism, but still capitalism' or 'anti-imperialist, but still capitalist' or in the best case 'a state that is dedicated to attempting to build socialism'

However that should not confuse my line on Chavez which is that he is not a communist nor is he trying to accomplish socialism. The IMT only support him because they can quote him calling himself a trotskyist. If he ever said one nice thing about even Stalin stache you can bet the IMT would write books of polemics against the 'bonepartist' and Stalinist Chavez

El Oso Rojo
7th June 2012, 02:42
According to a trade unionist who goes to Venezuela a lot, they are creating laws that are going to allow people to fire their bosses. Actually someone from the consoulate stated that he wish the leftists that are critical would come down there to see.

What is going on. Which you internet communists should do.