Log in

View Full Version : Together Social Democrats - opportunists in Andalucia



Delenda Carthago
3rd May 2012, 12:04
Seville. -

Just around the corner is the co-ruling in Andalusia, the Socialist Party «PSOE» and the United Left «IU» (single party involving the Communist Party in Spain, from the protagonists with the SYN / SYRIZA opportunist in formation of the European Left Party). </span>In Andalusia, the 8.3 million residents expected the inauguration of the regional government. The program of these two parties dominated by proposals geared towards the better "management" of the capitalist system with proclamations of "more" social state ", job creation, tax the rich." </span>However, both parties promise to comply with the principles of "austerity" in view of forecasts of the European Union's cap on budget deficit amid major reactions of the people against the austerity policy implemented throughout the country.

</span>This followed on April 24 internal party vote to the members of the United Left, the 82.4% of whom voted for the proposal to form a government with the Socialists in Andalusia, paving the way for the above agreement.

</span>Previously, on March 25, had held regional elections in which party first came to the ruling People's Party with 40.6% (50 seats), while the Socialists received 39.5% and the United Left 12%, and together hold </span>59 seats in regional parliament out of 109. Andalusia ruled continuously by the Socialists since 1982, but the Popular Party continues to prevail in 11 of the 17 regional governments in Spain.

google translated by Rizospastis (http://www.rizospastis.gr/wwwengine/story.do?id=6831981)

Crux
3rd May 2012, 12:34
Basically the IU leadership have overruled the will of it's membership. An internal revolt is brewing. From what I understand the vote was not properly conducted.

DDR
3rd May 2012, 12:54
Nope, the vote was conducted to the militants of IU-LVA not IU-A. Also the question to the referendum was tricky, the two options were to support the PSOE. But the important matter is what is going to do Gordillo and the CUT-BAI, are they finally gonna leave or is the same old story?

If you want me this evening I can post more info on the subject.

Delenda Carthago
3rd May 2012, 16:00
Nope, the vote was conducted to the militants of IU-LVA not IU-A. Also the question to the referendum was tricky, the two options were to support the PSOE. But the important matter is what is going to do Gordillo and the CUT-BAI, are they finally gonna leave or is the same old story?

If you want me this evening I can post more info on the subject.
Elaborate, cause I didnt undestand a thing!:confused:

DDR
5th May 2012, 15:46
Sorry, I was in a hurry.

The story is something like this: last year there were municipal elections in spain (except in Euskadi, Catalonia, Galicia and Andalucia) where the PSOE lost every State, province and mayor town even Castilla-La Mancha where they had ruled since the transition. In Extremadura was a draw between PP and PSOE, the only way to break it was with the votes of IU. IU-Extremadura made a referendum to see what to do in all the local assemblies while the CC of IU was pushing for a pact with the PSOE arguing that voting it was to stop the right. The bases said no to the pact and IU-Extremadura didn't vote the PSOE, so the PP won the presidency and goverment of Extremadura, first time ever, just like C-LM.

In order to prevent that from happening again this year in Andalucia, the CC of IU plus all the revis in the PCE and PCA made a wonderfull trick, a referendum with only two options, to vote PSOE and enter the gov. or to vote it and no enter in the gov. Some elements of IU-A (the CUT-BAI and all the people arround the SAT) made another referendum, but this time same way that was in Extremadura. In this second referendum the mayority of the votes where not to vote PSOE, but because this wasn't ordered from the CC it was ruled as fake. So the other day the votes of IU gave Griñan the presidency and goverment of Andalusia. The only one who didn't vote what the CC wanted was Gordillo (spokesman of the CUT-BAI, former mayor of Marinaleda, and probably the last good person in IU).

And pretty much this is the whole story. If something is unclear, ask :D

Delenda Carthago
5th May 2012, 22:34
Sorry, I was in a hurry.

The story is something like this: last year there were municipal elections in spain (except in Euskadi, Catalonia, Galicia and Andalucia) where the PSOE lost every State, province and mayor town even Castilla-La Mancha where they had ruled since the transition. In Extremadura was a draw between PP and PSOE, the only way to break it was with the votes of IU. IU-Extremadura made a referendum to see what to do in all the local assemblies while the CC of IU was pushing for a pact with the PSOE arguing that voting it was to stop the right. The bases said no to the pact and IU-Extremadura didn't vote the PSOE, so the PP won the presidency and goverment of Extremadura, first time ever, just like C-LM.

In order to prevent that from happening again this year in Andalucia, the CC of IU plus all the revis in the PCE and PCA made a wonderfull trick, a referendum with only two options, to vote PSOE and enter the gov. or to vote it and no enter in the gov. Some elements of IU-A (the CUT-BAI and all the people arround the SAT) made another referendum, but this time same way that was in Extremadura. In this second referendum the mayority of the votes where not to vote PSOE, but because this wasn't ordered from the CC it was ruled as fake. So the other day the votes of IU gave Griñan the presidency and goverment of Andalusia. The only one who didn't vote what the CC wanted was Gordillo (spokesman of the CUT-BAI, former mayor of Marinaleda, and probably the last good person in IU).

And pretty much this is the whole story. If something is unclear, ask :D
So if I understood right, the first article is right, right?:confused:

DDR
6th May 2012, 03:48
Yes and no, there where two votes.