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jdhoch
3rd May 2012, 06:22
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That is not about going back, which is impossible, Patnaik said. We have to go forward with new ideas. The call for a more robust social safety net (protecting workers rights, unemployment insurance, social security, health insurance, etc.) isnt new, but such policies can be a step towards new ideas, a transitional measure, he explained. Rather than making those policies the final goal, as part of a more-or-less permanent accommodation with capitalism, they should be seen as a stepping stone toward radical change.

We can work towards a reassertion of welfare state policies, not as an end but as a vehicle toward greater justice, as a way of making visible the inherent limitations of capitalism, he said.

In additions to the limitations of capitalism, there also are ecological limitations we cant ignore, he said, which means the goal cant be raising India and China to the material standards of the United States. Patnaik recognises the need to adjust older socialist goals to new realities.
The world simply has to be refashioned, both in the third world and in advanced capitalist countries, and specifically in the United States, Patnaik said, which means experiments in alternative ways of living that are not based on material measures.

This really is a spiritual/cultural question, about what it means to live a good life, he said, which should not be seen as foreign to socialism. Marxism shouldnt be reduced to productionism. The goal of socialism has always been human freedom, which is about much more than material wealth.



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The Idler
3rd May 2012, 19:29
The CPUSA? Really?

Book O'Dead
3rd May 2012, 19:32
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[...]The goal of socialism has always been human freedom, which is about much more than material wealth.

The goal of socialism is the emancipation of the working class.

WanderingCactus
3rd May 2012, 19:37
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This really is a spiritual/cultural question, about what it means to live a good life, he said, which should not be seen as foreign to socialism. Marxism shouldnt be reduced to productionism. The goal of socialism has always been human freedom, which is about much more than material wealth.


Hah. This whole thing is garbage. It basically translates to "I have never read a word of Marx."

Jimmie Higgins
3rd May 2012, 19:51
The goal of socialism is the emancipation of the working class.I agree, but I think it's both. The self-emancipation of the working class can lead to the emancipation of all humans because worker's don't need to exploit and oppress in order to exploit.



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“This really is a spiritual/cultural question, about what it means to live a good life,” he said, which should not be seen as foreign to socialism. “Marxism shouldn’t be reduced to productionism. The goal of socialism has always been human freedom, which is about much more than material wealth.”


Hah. This whole thing is garbage. It basically translates to "I have never read a word of Marx."Really, I've read some Marx and liberation seems to drip from many of the more exciting passages.

What is communism? The freeing of all of humanity from class divisions and the state that prop-up class rule and exploitation. Making life better for ourselves rather than being ruled by alienated powers and mechanisms which rule over us like some Faustian nightmare. Those works always seem to cross over from the economic to the cultural - how the nuclear family enslaves women, how the organization of labor makes us feel like we are dead while productive, and unproductive while alive (off-work), etc.

Luís Henrique
4th May 2012, 11:40
The goal of socialism is the emancipation of the working class.

The goal of socialism is a society without classes. Which means the abolition of the working class.

Lus Henrique

Luís Henrique
4th May 2012, 11:42
The CPUSA? Really?

Discuss his ideas, perhaps?

Lus Henrique

The Idler
4th May 2012, 20:08
Sorry, feeling a bit jaded lately.

Stadtsmasher
5th May 2012, 07:38
I have found "Freedom" to be one of those words that is essentially meaningless and can be used by anyone. Communists can talk freedom. Capitalists can talk freedom. Even freaking Nazis can talk freedom. There is freedom from and freedom to. There is this kind of freedom and that kind of freedom. Its meaningless.

Strannik
5th May 2012, 10:51
I guess idealistically understood freedom (freedom to choose actions) is part of human condition in any society. Even in slavery you can choose not to follow master's commands, for example. Bourgeois "freedom" boils down to "independence" - possibility to act as if you are objectively not part of the society and environment.

Luís Henrique
5th May 2012, 22:50
I have found "Freedom" to be one of those words that is essentially meaningless and can be used by anyone. Communists can talk freedom. Capitalists can talk freedom. Even freaking Nazis can talk freedom. There is freedom from and freedom to. There is this kind of freedom and that kind of freedom. Its meaningless.

Have you ever been to jail?

Lus Henrique