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Grenzer
2nd May 2012, 21:46
TOKYO — Analysts who have studied photos of a half-dozen ominous new North Korean missiles showcased recently at a lavish military parade say they were fakes, and not very convincing ones, casting further doubt on the country's claims of military prowess.

Since its recent rocket launch failure, Pyongyang's top military leaders have made several boastful statements about its weapons capabilities. On Wednesday, Vice Marshal Ri Yong Ho claimed his country is capable of defeating the United States "at a single blow." And on Monday, North Korea promised "special actions" that would reduce Seoul's government to ashes within minutes.

But the weapons displayed April 15 appear to be a mishmash of liquid-fuel and solid-fuel components that could never fly together. Undulating casings on the missiles suggest the metal is too thin to withstand flight. Each missile was slightly different from the others, even though all were supposedly the same make. They don't even fit the launchers they were carried on.

"There is no doubt that these missiles were mock-ups," Markus Schiller and Robert Schmucker, of Germany's Schmucker Technologie, wrote in a paper posted recently on the website Armscontrolwonk.com that listed those discrepancies. "It remains unknown if they were designed this way to confuse foreign analysts, or if the designers simply did some sloppy work."

The missiles, called KN-08s, were loaded onto the largest mobile launch vehicles North Korea has ever unveiled. Pyongyang gave them special prominence by presenting them at the end of the parade, which capped weeks of celebrations marking the 100th anniversary of the country's founding father, Kim Il Sung.

The unveiling created an international stir. The missiles appeared to be new, and designed for long-range attacks.

That's a big concern because, along with developing nuclear weapons, North Korea has long been suspected of trying to field an intercontinental ballistic missile, or ICBM, capable of reaching the United States. Washington contends that North Korea's failed April 13 rocket launch was an attempt to test missile technology rather than the scientific mission Pyongyang claims.

But after poring over close-up photos of the missiles, Schiller and Schmucker, whose company has advised NATO on missile issues, argue the mock-ups indicate North Korea is a long way from having a credible ICBM.

"There is still no evidence that North Korea actually has a functional ICBM," they concluded, adding that the display was a "dog and pony show" and suggesting North Korea may not be making serious progress toward its nuclear-tipped ICBM dreams.

North Korea has a particularly bad track record with ICBM-style rockets. Its four launches since 1998 — three of which it claimed carried satellites — have all ended in failure.

Though North Korea frequently overstates its military capabilities, the missiles displayed this month might foreshadow weapons it is still working on.

David Wright, a physicist with the Union of Concerned Scientists who has written extensively about North Korea's missile program, said he believes the KN-08s could be "somewhat clumsy representations of a missile that is being developed."

Wright noted that the first signs the outside world got of North Korea's long-range Taepodong-2 missile — upon which the recent failed rocket was based — was from mock-ups seen in 1994, 12 years before it was actually tested on the launch pad.

"To understand whether there is a real missile development program in place, we are trying to understand whether the mock-ups make sense as the design for a real missile," he said. "It is not clear that it has a long enough range to make sense for North Korea to invest a lot of effort in."

Theodore Postol, a professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and former scientific adviser to the U.S. Chief of Naval Operations, said the Taepodong-2 design remains the more real future threat — though even that remains at least a decade away — and the KN-08 is simply a smoke screen.

"I believe that these missiles are not only mock-ups, but they are very unlikely to be actual mock-ups of any missiles in design," he said. "Fabricating a missile like the KN-08 would require a gigantic indigenous technical effort. ... The only way North Korea could develop such a missile with its pitiful economy would be if someone gave it to them."

He noted that a comparable U.S. missile, the Minuteman III, required "decades of expertise in rocket motors, and vast sums of intellectual, technological and financial capital."

Much attention, meanwhile, has been given to the 16-wheel mobile launchers that carried the missiles during the parade, which experts believe may have included a chassis built in China. That raises questions of whether China has violated U.N. sanctions against selling missile-related technology to Pyongyang.

Some missile experts say the launchers were designed to carry a larger missile than the 18-meter-long KN-08, and argue that North Korea would not have spent millions of dollars on them unless it has, or intends to have, a big missile to put on them.

But Wright said the launchers, like the missiles they carried, could also have been more for show than anything else.

"Given the international attention it has gotten from parading these missiles you could argue that the cost of buying the large trucks — which add a lot of credibility to the images of the missiles — was money well spent in terms of projecting an image of power," he said.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/analysts-say-north-koreas-1426240.html

Krano
2nd May 2012, 22:03
What clowns, the sooner that regime is taken down the better.

Sir Comradical
2nd May 2012, 22:21
What clowns, the sooner that regime is taken down the better.

Lol. We probably do have folks on here saying that.

China studen
2nd May 2012, 22:37
What clowns, the sooner that regime is taken down the better.

He He,When your imperialist godfather bombing of Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, wanton, you do not have dogs barking. Defense security is threatened, the DPRK to enhance the defense forces, you follow the Japanese right-wing dog, barking "Toy Rockets ", "clown".

Of course, your wish will not be realized. Your godfather is already 60 years ago to pray for the the colonial entire Korean Peninsula. But they were trounced by the Korean army. Up until today, Korea is still the world's most stable countries. Your imperialist godfather, also suppressed the occupation movement.

You're such a clown: as a low-energy dog.

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
2nd May 2012, 22:39
He He,When your imperialist godfather bombing of Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, wanton, you do not have dogs barking. Defense security is threatened, the DPRK to enhance the defense forces, you follow the Japanese right-wing dog, barking "Toy Rockets ", "clown".

Of course, your wish will not be realized. Your godfather is already 60 years ago to pray for the the colonial entire Korean Peninsula. But they were trounced by the Korean army. Up until today, Korea is still the world's most stable countries. Your imperialist godfather, also suppressed the occupation movement.

You're such a clown: as a low-energy dog.

Did you made all this clown,bark,godfather stuff up, or do you copy everything straight from the North-Korean propaganda?

Grenzer
2nd May 2012, 22:45
The Kim regime sucks, but let's not have any illusions; the moment it goes down, the big corporations will swoop in to fuck the North Koreans over. I don't think we should be cheering the collapse of the Kim dynasty to anything other than a successful proletarian revolution.

@ China studen

What the fuck are you talking about? Krano is from Finland; his ancestors have fuck all to do with the Korean War. Typical drivel coming from one who praises the "Juche idea" as a "great theory".

Blanquist
2nd May 2012, 22:49
I said it before. North Korea is on it's death bed. Expect a capitulation within 16 months.

Mass Grave Aesthetics
2nd May 2012, 22:55
I said it before. North Korea is on it's death bed. Expect a capitulation within 16 months.

why 16 months?

Rooster
2nd May 2012, 23:02
It's obvious that these rockets are propelled through the air using dialectics. The contradictions of weight and flight are in opposition to each other creating an upward lift, elevating the rockets into the air and the thin sheet metal is held in shape by the antagonistic relations between air pressure and the tensile strength of tinfoil. You guys just don't understand it. Rocket dialectics, ya dig?

They should have just gone the whole hog and paraded death rays, robot soldiers, light sabers and earthquake machines.


What the fuck are you talking about? Krano is from Finland; his ancestors have fuck all to do with the Korean War. Typical drivel coming from one who praises the "Juche idea" as a "great theory".

One's ancestry shouldn't have any impact at all on the Korean war. Reminds me of Americans saying "hey, we saved your asses in the war!", yeah, you and your buddies personally saved my ass.

Ostrinski
2nd May 2012, 23:05
Reminds me of Americans saying "hey, we saved your asses in the war!", yeah, you and your buddies personally saved my ass.Still waiting for the perfect opportunity to use the Bill Hicks joke: "Hey, my father fought for that flag!"
"No shit? I got mine at K mart"

Grenzer
2nd May 2012, 23:07
Still waiting for the perfect opportunity to use the Bill Hicks joke: "Hey, my father fought for that flag!"
"No shit? I got mine at K mart"

K-Mart! Damn.... I miss the nineties.

Vyacheslav Brolotov
2nd May 2012, 23:09
North Korea is becoming increasingly more and more pathetic.

Mass Grave Aesthetics
2nd May 2012, 23:14
They should have just gone the whole hog and paraded death rays, robot soldiers, light sabers and earthquake machines.


I was reminded of this film. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089851/)
They should use the monster costume from in their military parades.

jookyle
3rd May 2012, 03:42
I said it before. North Korea is on it's death bed. Expect a capitulation within 16 months.

Although I agree it's on it's deathbed, I'd be curious as to why you think 16 months specifically.

China studen
3rd May 2012, 09:19
Did you made all this clown,bark,godfather stuff up, or do you copy everything straight from the North-Korean propaganda?


Did you made all this clown,"toy rockets ","taken down xx" stuff up, or do you copy everything straight from the Imperialist mouthpiece?

Zealot
3rd May 2012, 10:38
Bourgeois media never stops ranting about North Korea's rockets and military...next minute they tell us that the DPRK can do no better than toy rockets. Why do you people take them seriously?

Rusty Shackleford
3rd May 2012, 17:25
This thread:

"oh no, the DPRK is taking part in military posturing! Quick, call Seoul and Washington, we need to overthrow them!"



seriously, some of you have got to be kidding.

Rooster
3rd May 2012, 17:27
Bourgeois media never stops ranting about North Korea's rockets and military...next minute they tell us that the DPRK can do no better than toy rockets. Why do you people take them seriously?

Next they'll tell us that it's the last of the socialist states. Jeez, who believes this media stuff anyway?