Swastika

[Don't Change Your Name]

Have you noticed that this symbol was used by many cultures as a symbol for life, luck and love? Of course we all know that an insane german bastard used this symbol to represent his dirty racist fascist militarist ideology and killed millions with it.

If you do a search on a place like google for the word swastika you will find mostly sites which show how American Aborigins, Sumerians, Greeks, Indians and people from different cultures (even Jews!) used this symbol before as a positive thing. It seems it was addopted by some german nationalists to look better or something.

I have come to the conclussion that Hitler and his dumb white comrades succeeded with it: nowadays it is a bad symbol and in some places it's even banned. Maybe this means they won in destroying it's meaning...

What do you think?

[(*]

Yeah, a friend mine told me this (hindu). It's not identical, but very close.

[IHP]

Well, the word svastika is a sanskrit word. I think it means peace or love or something (ironic with Nazi Germany, no?)

I believe that among one other, this is the about the oldest symbol recorded. The Egyptians are thought to have used it first, I believe.

(*, the Hindu symbol is very similar, but instead of being on an angle as the Nazis used it, it was set square.

Indeed the symbol has become taboo these days. Only because it's so recognizable, and can so easily be related to Nazism.

[Pete]

The difference is not how it is positioned. The Hindu swastika points the other way.

[canikickit]

The Falun gong (sp?) movement use a similar symbol also.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

didn't hitler have his minions search places in the east for a holy grail and shit, maybe that's where he found the first swatika-like emblems, yes?
I heard this on the history channel, by the way.

[Hampton]

And Indiana Jones.

[IHP]

Pete,

Yeah it is too. I thought it was also set square as well. You seem quite defensive about that too.

[hazard]

that pic is mortifying

goes to show what happens when a good symbol goes bad

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Personally,I think there is no way to change what people identify it with.It represents so much pain and suffering for people,that it is simply irreversable to change what it stands for to many,including myself.Too bad really,because putting aside all my prejudices,it is a very cool looking symbol.

[dannie]

hitler stole more symbols than the swastika, for example the celtic cross

http://sharepoint.ngc.edu/studentservices/square-celtic-cross-198x197.gif

the eagle is used by many cultures too including native american

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 02:46 AM
didn't hitler have his minions search places in the east for a holy grail and shit, maybe that's where he found the first swatika-like emblems, yes?
I heard this on the history channel, by the way.
Yeah they went to Central Asia. To Afganistan, Tibet and some other places. They were searching "Aryans". They investigated some blond and blue eyed Afgans and some Tibetan Monks. The believe was that when Atlantis sunk, some of this "übermenschen" went to Germany and some to Central Asia. All based of fairy tales.

[monkeydust]

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[email protected] 7 2003, 02:46 AM
didn&#39;t hitler have his minions search places in the east for a holy grail and shit, maybe that&#39;s where he found the first swatika-like emblems, yes?
I heard this on the history channel, by the way.
Yeah they went to Central Asia. To Afganistan, Tibet and some other places. They were searching "Aryans". They investigated some blond and blue eyed Afgans and some Tibetan Monks. The believe was that when Atlantis sunk, some of this "übermenschen" went to Germany and some to Central Asia. All based of fairy tales. [/b]
Soe of it was actually ridiculous, he had his guys go to Tibet to search for an entrance to a supposed race of gaint aryans who lived under the crust of the earth and had done so for ages.........he was quite mad that bloke

[Jesus Christ]

the was an issue when Pokemon cards came out that there was a swastika on one of the cards, but it was a Buddhist symbol for peace

[Zorio]

The swastika has been used by many religions over the years (Hindu, Jainism, Buddhist). I don&#39;t think Hitler completely ruined it&#39;s use. In Asia, they&#39;re still used on temples and still considered sacred (and meaning peace).

[gawkygeek]

Hitler and his nazi party picked the symbol not because they wanted to destroy its fine history, but because they thought they were adding to it, Hitler thought he was doing the right thing, he was horribly mistaken, but he really thought that he was helping the world, and with this as his goal it makes sense that he would choose a symbol with such a meaning

[Comrade Ceausescu]

hitler stole more symbols than the swastika, for example the celtic cross


Also,the iron cross wasn&#39;t Nazi..But Hitler stole it :(

[Misodoctakleidist]

I think ive made good use of the swatstika
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[Comrade Ceausescu]

I think ive made good use of the swatstika

I would have to agree with this.

[lostsoul]

in hinduism, ganesh represents peace and good luck, and he usually has the swatstika symbol on it.

The symbol itself i was told means "overcome an obstacles". I think that was the reason hitler tried to use it. I am kind of reminded of a quote from hitler "If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower", which is basically simlair to the meaning of the symbol.

I also think he flipped over the swatstika as to not to offend the indians(which since they were part of the arian race, he wanted to join him).

[Pete]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 12:24 AM
Pete,

Yeah it is too. I thought it was also set square as well. You seem quite defensive about that too.
Sorry, didn&#39;t mean to be defensive. Their are many pictures of Ginisha with the swastika on angles or set straight, which shows that it doesnt matter either way.. :D

[lostsoul]

i haven&#39;t never seen it totally flipped(the way the nazi&#39;s have it) in india or any temples or anything.

the most i have seen it is sometimes they rotate the symbol on a 45 degree angle, i&#39;m not totally sure if it means something different.

[crazy comie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 01:14 AM
The difference is not how it is positioned. The Hindu swastika points the other way.
incorrect the nazi one goes both ways and it was first used by the indus valley civillisation.

[LiquidX]

Heres what i know about the swastika (svastika):

Basically it was a simbol used by mainly Bouddhists and Hindouists. Basically the meaning of the Svastika pre-Hitler was Good Fortune and Prosperity. The original Svastika was indeed squared and not on a 45 degree angle (that was Hitler&#39;s personal touch) and was generally hung in front of houses in Bouddhist/Hindouist villages. A major change that I don&#39;t believe that anybody noted was the red around the white. Hitler added the red around the white (which by the way signified Purity...or the "Aryan Race") to represent all those that were not pure, or in other words not of the Aryan race. Another change that Hitler made was the positioning of the Svastika. He wanted to change it so as not to completly plagerize off of the ancient religions (how nice of him...). As for the direction of the Svastika, if im not mistaken the original always went in a clockwise fashion, whereas with Hitlers version it didnt matter what side it was on.

Sickening how much one man can contort something with such rich history into something with such a bloody and cruel history.

[crazy comie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2003, 12:46 AM

Sickening how much one man can contort something with such rich history into something with such a bloody and cruel history.
indeed.

[Xvall]

One of the reasons I hate Hitler. He ruined the swastika. Entirely ruined it. I agree that it was a nice looking symbol; nowadays just looking at it enrages most people. Unfortunately few people realize that this symbol was origionally used as a symbol of peace, and those that do refuse to display the swastika in any shape or form because of the &#39;history&#39; it was &#39;affiliated&#39; with. Many cultures did use the swastika. Many still do today. In fact, if you look at some of the old doors and designs of pre-WWII synagouges, many have designs depicting swastikas. I&#39;ve seen fences in asian communities with the swastika somewhat designed into it. Hitler stole the salute also. It was origionally a Roman Salute, used in the days of old. As a matter of fact. It used to be manditory to do that salute whilst pledging to the flag before the Second World War.

http://www.falange.org/salute2.jpg

Ain&#39;t that sweet?

[crazy comie]

the romans had a simler salute but the fist was clenched and beaten on the cheast befor raising the salute.

[LiquidX]

Actually its so badly viewed nowadays that I once got suspended from high school a few years back for 2 days...for drawing one on a sheet of paper which my teacher subsequently saw....uninformed morons...

[Hooverfox]

Mussolini also stole the Roman salute when he came to power. That made slightly more sence though as he was Italian - like roamans - and they wanted to remake the old roman empire.

The swashtika also was known as a very good piece of artwork but the Nazis destroyed it. It just goes to show how important the conotations of a symbol are.

[praxis1966]

I&#39;m not sure about the salute specifically, but I do remember from a History Channel documentary that he stole most of the mannerisms and gestures used in his speaches from a German biergarten comedian.

[BOZG]

I think that to Egyptians and other cultures the Swastika was a symbol for the wheel.

[Soviet power supreme]

Also,the iron cross wasn&#39;t Nazi..But Hitler stole it


I dont think that Hitler stole it.It was used by German army before Hitler become fuhrer and it was also used in his time by the German army.

[airavata]

Hitler stealing the swastika is true... that moron defiled it. It&#39;s still widely used in hinduism though - the belief of thousands of years can&#39;t be changed by one ignorant madman. The hindu swastika is square and has four dots set in the spaces between the arms of the swastika. Along with Om, it&#39;s a pretty sacred symbol of hinduism.

[AryaN BLitZKrieG]

Unfortunately, you are all mistaken. Although the "record" states that the swatika originated from either Egypt or India, the truth of the matter is, it originated in Iran. To Iranians, it is the Wheel of Mithras, which still exists today, in Zoroastrianism, the first religion which worshipped a monogod.... The West has subverted Iranian discoveries and innovations in order to subdue the Aryan identity.


Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2003, 02:46 AM
didn&#39;t hitler have his minions search places in the east for a holy grail and shit, maybe that&#39;s where he found the first swatika-like emblems, yes?
I heard this on the history channel, by the way.

Yeah they went to Central Asia. To Afganistan, Tibet and some other places. They were searching "Aryans". They investigated some blond and blue eyed Afgans and some Tibetan Monks. The believe was that when Atlantis sunk, some of this "übermenschen" went to Germany and some to Central Asia. All based of fairy tales.

The first expedition sent out by Himmler himself, wanted the SS-waffen to explore the Fars province of Iran but was unable to do so. The reason? The Tsarist Russians occupied northern Iran and the British, who wanted to control both Iran&#39;s southern oil concessions and to halt revolutionary activity in India from further support by Iranian constitutionalists and the other way around. This is the reason why the Nazi&#39;s were forced to explore frontier country, which included Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, etc.


Also,the iron cross wasn&#39;t Nazi..But Hitler stole it


I dont think that Hitler stole it.It was used by German army before Hitler become fuhrer and it was also used in his time by the German army.

It was Prussian, prior to the collapse of the Prussian Empire.

[Jesus Sanchez]

I remember many years ago that Hitler had a huge heraldry book to choose a symbol for the Nazi party. He chose the swastiker cos it represented good luck and ment unconqurerable.