Israel

[Luka]

I would like to know what people here think about Israel, it's right to exist and to defend itself.
Also I wantéd to ask if there are significant parts of the anarchist/communist left in your country that support Israel/Zionism.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Since when did countries have the right to exist? Especially stolen land. That was stolen because of some old book.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Fuck Israel and their Para-Fascist shit.

No legitimate leftist supports Zionism, same for the concepts of countries/nations.

[NewLeft]

Since when did countries have the right to exist? Especially stolen land. That was stolen because of some old book.
We could say that about all land.. hah

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

We could say that about all land.. hah

I do.
I don't think countries should exist... obviously.

[Yefim Zverev]

smells troll

[Anarcho-Brocialist]

Zionism :thumbdown:

[Brosip Tito]

No nation has a "right" to exist. Israel, however, does exist, and is existing at the expense of millions of people.

The quick solve, which in my opinion would be an aid to the international class struggle, would be the abolition of the Israel and Palestinian governments, a one state solution, with equal rights. This will likely, however, only occur through workers' revolution in the region.

[El Oso Rojo]

i smell anti german.

[NewLeft]

No nation has a "right" to exist. Israel, however, does exist, and is existing at the expense of millions of people.

The quick solve, which in my opinion would be an aid to the international class struggle, would be the abolition of the Israel and Palestinian governments, a one state solution, with equal rights. This will likely, however, only occur through workers' revolution in the region.
Would it be to the benefit of the Palestinian proletariat? A two state solution for apartheid would just leave Palestine poverty ridden.

[Drosophila]

and to defend itself.

By killing innocents in other lands? The Israeli military doesn't seem to do much else to "defend itself".


Also I wantéd to ask if there are significant parts of the anarchist/communist left in your country that support Israel/Zionism.

No communist group should support Zionism, as it pretty much contradicts everything we stand for.

[blake 3:17]

I guess I don't get it when radicals say that nations have no right to exist. They do exist and will continue to exist, so let's get over that. I am sympathetic to a one state secular democratic solution, but there are other options.

I support the BDS campaign against Israeli apartheid. The three main demands of the movement are:
Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands occupied in June 1967 and dismantling the Wall;

Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality;

and
Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN Resolution 194.

source: http://www.bdsmovement.net/

[Per Levy]

I would like to know what people here think about Israel, it's right to exist and to defend itself.

alot of people will have a lot of different views on certain topics, my view is that i dont see israel as something special, its a bourgeoisie state and should be treated and judged as being that.


Also I wantéd to ask if there are significant parts of the anarchist/communist left in your country that support Israel/Zionism.

i dont know to many commies and anarchs that are to high on nationalistic ideaoligies like zionism. since you come from germany you probally mean: are there things like the anti-germans outside of germany? not to my knowledge. just proves how german the anti-germans are, not only in that regard.

and now if you ever return and if this is not just a troll thread what are your positions on your questions? why is israel so importent to you?

oh and if this is just a troll atemp, next time you should ask something about kronstadt or stalin/trotsky things can get really "funny" that way.

[Regicollis]

As long as we are stuck with states I think the only fair solution would be for Israel/Palestine to exist as one unitary secular state. As long as there is a state in that area that is for one culture only there will be conflict.

It goes without saying that no state has the right to conduct terror against random civilians.

[gorillafuck]

I would like to know what people here think about Israel, it's right to exist and to defend itself.it is a regime built upon racial supremacy, extreme violence, and stolen land.

I do not support its right to defend itself or exist. I don't see why people talk about Israels right to defend itself though, because it's an aggressor. self defense doesn't apply to aggressors.


Also I wantéd to ask if there are significant parts of the anarchist/communist left in your country that support Israel/Zionism.no.

[Bostana]

Israel was off of stolen land.

What they did is called Imperialism. Which is why America likes them so much. I mean they're kinda just like us, they go there kill the natives, claim it's a better country now that they're their.

And if you protest them people will call you anti-Semitic. To quote Stalin:

"The Jews are not a nation."

You can hate Stalin but you know this quote is right.

[Misanthrope]

Zionism is reactionary plain and simple. It's statism; incompatible with communism.

[Brosip Tito]

Would it be to the benefit of the Palestinian proletariat? A two state solution for apartheid would just leave Palestine poverty ridden.
Huh?

[ВАЛТЕР]

Fuck Israel.

I'll put it this way: If Israel was a person, I'd kick them in their balls.

[Gatto Nero]

as a citizen of the state of israel and as a person who was raised by the zionist doctrine on the educational system of israel , and as an anarchist - i can say that no state has the right to exist because of it's nationalist-bourgeois-hierarchical and authoritarian values, but zionism isn't even a pure nationalist political program, it's more like nazism rather than like german nationalism, that's because of it's Isolationist and exclusionist paradigm.
while nationalism claims to contain all of the human beings who lives in a certain country ,and give them all the same equal rights and opportunities - israel doesn't pretend to contain all of the people who lives in it's territories - israel calls itself plain and simple - a "jewish state", meaning that all of the non-jews (by religion of course) who lives in israel are a second class citizens (within the pre-six day war borders) and Subjects to the occupation military rule in the territories which were occupied on the six day war.
the zionist movement was the western imperalism delegate to the middle east and still maintaining that role, it's intentions were to build a jewish pseudo socialist society upon a territory which most of it's residents were not jews but rather arabs (muslims,christians,etc).
jews and arabs lived very well along each other most of the history , my great-grandmother family who came to palestine in 1903 because of the Kishinev pogrom lived a peaceful life on that land with their arab neighbours, but in 1917 - eveything has changed after the zionist movement got it's legitimacy to it's separatist values from the occupiers of the land - the british empire who delivered the Balfour Declaration of 1917.
that declaration started a war between two reactionaries movements - The zionist movement in one hand and the Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini's forces on the other.
years after that, on the 1948 war the zionist movement carried out the ethnic cleasning of palestine in order to create jewish majority on this land by force (so they can accomplish their intentions to create a jewish state), while the only strong army on the region who has the force to threat israel (The Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan Army) - has created an alliance with the zionist movement which gave king Abdullah I of Jordan the territories of east jerusalem and the west bank in exchange to non-fighting agreement.
israel uses the holocaust to it's advantage until present day, but hasn't produced any universal conclusions from this horrible event by itself and using a racist political program towards the arab-palestinians.
by using the holocaust israel is being forgiven for many actions it mades, by using the holocaust israel reffering to every non-jew who criticize it's actions as an "anti-semitic" and every jew who criticize it's actions as a "self hating jew/auto anti-semitic".
everyone who want to make a change in palestine/israel need to Join the BDS campaign for helping the israelis and palestinians to eliminate the unberable situation which is created by the zionists rulers of israel.