bullshit article "Egypt plans necrophilia law" goes viral...

[Manic Impressive]

Egyptian husbands will soon be legally allowed to have sex with their dead wives - for up to six hours after their death.
The controversial new law is part of a raft of measures being introduced by the Islamist-dominated parliament.
It will also see the minimum age of marriage lowered to 14 and the ridding of women's rights of getting education and employment.


Egypt's National Council for Women is campaigning against the changes, saying that 'marginalising and undermining the status of women would negatively affect the country's human development'.
Dr Mervat al-Talawi, head of the NCW, wrote to the Egyptian People’s Assembly Speaker Dr Saad al-Katatni addressing her concerns.
Egyptian journalist Amro Abdul Samea reported in the al-Ahram newspaper that Talawi complained about the legislations which are being introduced under 'alleged religious interpretations'.

The subject of a husband having sex with his dead wife arose in May 2011 when Moroccan cleric Zamzami Abdul Bari said marriage remains valid even after death.
He also said that women have the right to have sex with her dead husband, alarabiya.net (http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html) reported.
It seems the topic, which has sparked outrage, has now been picked up on by Egypt's politicians.

TV anchor Jaber al-Qarmouty slammed the notion of letting a husband have sex with his wife after her death under the so-called 'Farewell Intercourse' draft law.
He said: 'This is very serious. Could the panel that will draft the Egyptian constitution possibly discuss such issues? Did Abdul Samea see by his own eyes the text of the message sent by Talawi to Katatni?
'This is unbelievable. It is a catastrophe to give the husband such a right! Has the Islamic trend reached that far? Is there really a draft law in this regard? Are there people thinking in this manner?'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/Outrage-Egypt-plans-farewell-intercourse-law-husbands-sex-dead-wives-hours-AFTER-death.html

[Princess Luna]

First off I see no problem with the Necrophiliac part, particularly because it applies to both genders so to say that part of the law is an attack on women's rights is not entirely true. That brings up the second point, I think "and the ridding of women's rights of getting education and employment." is way more important then the fact people can fuck their dead spouse and the article says almost nothing about it.

[Manic Impressive]

yeah I agree in part. I still think that a person should have some sort of autonomy over their body even after death. Obviously they won't know about it because they're dead but giving every man the legal right to fuck his dead wife's body even if it was expressly against her wishes while she was alive is sick. You're right though the article focuses on the sensationalist aspect and not the important stuff. Lowering the age of marriage/consent to 14 is also fucked up. If I'd found a well written alternative to the article I would have posted it instead. I'd also like to hear from the members who were getting all excited about the bourgeois Egyptian revolution and if they still feel the same.

[Zav]

Excellent! Oh, wait, no it isn't. Legalizing sex with freshies is about the most progressive thing I've seen a country do this year. Lowering the marriage age is also great, but then they take away womens' rights to education and a job. Fan-fucking-tastic.
Of course, guess which part makes the headline. Sensationalizing bastards.

Edit: I detect an approaching shitstorm, so I should clarify that a person should get consent from their spouse prior to death, and that a lower age of consent is both good for the more mature young'uns and bad for the less so.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I'd also like to hear from the members who were getting all excited about the bourgeois Egyptian revolution

Well, in regards to the Egyptian revolution, I don't necessarily think that it was anyone's fault if they were excited by it while it was in it's early stages...I was pretty excited myself at the time. I was under no illusions about it's ultimate character, though, which was that of a political revolution and not something that was going to abolish the ruling class in Egypt. The ruling class in Egypt mostly stayed the same, it changed less than the state in Tunisia, IIRC, where all of the officials who served under Ben Ali were either kicked out or resigned.

I'm not sure how things in Egypt will ultimately end up. I think that people will probably get tired of the MB fast if they don't effect some economic growth and reform.

[seventeethdecember2016]

I went to Egypt about 5 years ago. It was nice, but there were so many stray cats! I haven't been to post-Mubarak Egypt, but I imagine it is just terrible.

Anyway, I expected things like this to come along with Egypt's new 'Democracy' months ago, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Oh, and we should stop associating Reactionary movements with the term 'Revolution.'

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Hmmm...necro law is interesting, in a creepy and curious way.

Women's rights getting a bashing, yet again, is of far more importance and should be the headline...but this is the Daily Mail so any opportunity to go 'ewww' at foreign brown people, fuckers.

[BE_]

That is some fucked up shit.

Religion and government shouldn't go together.

[Niall]

is this for real???

[honest john's firing squad]

Edit: I detect an approaching shitstorm, so I should clarify that a person should get consent from their spouse prior to death
well, this is golden. revleft is that one place on the internet where necrophilia is actually a contentious issue.

[Princess Luna]

well, this is golden. revleft is that one place on the internet where necrophilia is actually a contentious issue.
we are ahead of the curve

[Sasha]

is this for real???


no in fact it probably isnt:


Egypt 'necrophilia law'? Hooey, utter hooey.

'Necrophilia law'? Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, kids. At least until there's like, you know, some proof.



By Dan Murphy (http://www.csmonitor.com/About/Staff/Backchannels/Dan-Murphy), Staff writer / April 26, 2012




Today, Egypt (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Egypt)'s state-owned Al Ahram newspaper (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Al-Ahram+Weekly) published an opinion piece by Amr Abdul Samea, a past stalwart supporter of the deposed Hosni Mubarak (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Hosni+Mubarak), that contained a bombshell: Egypt's parliament is considering passing a law that would allow husbands to have sex with their wives after death.



It was soon mentioned (http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html) in an English language version of Al-Arabiya (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Al+Arabiya+TV) and immediately started zipping around social-networking sites. By this afternoon it had set news sites and the rest of the Internet on fire. It has every thing: The yuck factor, "those creepy Muslims" factor, the lulz factor for those with a sick sense of humor. The non-fact-checked Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135434/Outrage-Egypt-plans-farewell-intercourse-law-husbands-sex-dead-wives-hours-AFTER-death.html#ixzz1tAM78i00) picked it up and reported it as fact. Then Andrew Sullivan (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Andrew+Sullivan), who has a highly influential blog but is frequently lax about fact-checking, gave it a boost with an uncritical take (http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/04/we-all-hate-our-women-ctd-1.html). The Huffington Post (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Huffington+Post) went there (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04/26/farewell-intercourse-law-egypt-parliament-dead-wife_n_1455241.html), too.
There's of course one problem: The chances of any such piece of legislation being considered by the Egyptian parliament for a vote is zero. And the chance of it ever passing is less than that. In fact, color me highly skeptical that anyone is even trying to advance a piece of legislation like this through Egypt's parliament. I'm willing to be proven wrong. It's possible that there's one or two lawmakers completely out of step with the rest of parliament. Maybe.



But extreme, not to mention inflammatory claims, need at minimum some evidence (and I've read my share of utter nonsense in Al Ahram over the years). The evidence right now? Zero.
There was a Moroccan (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Morocco) cleric a few years back who apparently did issue a religious ruling saying that husbands remained married to their wives in the first six hours after death and, so, well, you know. But that guy is far, far out on the nutty fringe. How fringe? He also ruled that pregnant women can drink alcohol. Remember, alcohol is considered haram, forbidden, by the vast majority of the world's Muslim scholars. Putting an unborn child at risk to get drunk? No, that's just not what they do. Whatever the mainstream's unpalatable beliefs (there are plenty from my perspective) this isn't one of them.
It's important to remember that the structure of the Muslim clergy is, by and large, like that of a number of Protestant Christian sects. Anyone can put out a shingle and declare themselves a preacher. The ones to pay attention to are the ones with large followings, or attachment to major institutions of Islamic learning. The preacher in Morocco is like the preacher in Florida (http://www.csmonitor.com/tags/topic/Florida) who spent so much time and energy publicizing the burning of Qurans.
Stories like this are a reminder of the downside of the Internet. It makes fact-checking and monitoring easier. But the proliferation of aggregation sites, newsy blog sites, and the general erosion of editorial standards (and on-the-ground reporters to do the heavy lifting) also spreads silliness faster than it ever could before.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0426/Egypt-necrophilia-law-Hooey-utter-hooey

[Manic Impressive]

haha move to discrimination as an anti muslim article? :lol:

[Geiseric]

Jeez who would vote for a Necrophelia law? Is seems so alien living in the U.S. but is there really a demand for this law from the Egyptian male population?

[Crux]

I went to Egypt about 5 years ago. It was nice, but there were so many stray cats! I haven't been to post-Mubarak Egypt, but I imagine it is just terrible.

Anyway, I expected things like this to come along with Egypt's new 'Democracy' months ago, so it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

Oh, and we should stop associating Reactionary movements with the term 'Revolution.'
The Egyptian revolution is not reactionary and neither the Salafists or the Brotherhood played any significant part in it. The Islamists are a result of Capital striking back and are backed by the Egyptian big bussiness and likely by many former supporters of the old regime.

Psycho: How unsuprising. So uh should we trash this thread?

[Manic Impressive]

Psycho: How unsuprising. So uh should we trash this thread?
I think so :blushing:

either that or turn it into how the press are targeting muslims?

[Sasha]

i editted the thread title to more acuratly reflect reality

[Manic Impressive]

Psycho who the fuck are you calling an islamophobe?

[Ocean Seal]

I realize that the article is false, but stuff like this makes me wonder how much free time our bourgeois representatives have.

[Sasha]

Psycho who the fuck are you calling an islamophobe?

not you, just the western tabloid/huffpost people who creamed their pants on the idea and who thus didnt bother to check whether a open ed by a mubarak stooge in a mubarak newspaper might be bullshit.
But I understand this might be understood differently, ill edit it again...

[dodger]

A long history of planted stories is not news. So I'll just comment that Dodger has had a long list of sexual partners who complained about Necrophilia. Hope it was merely poor technique and not the smell. Anyone remember the Iranian Mullah instructing the faithful about correct washing procedure after sodomizng children? Oh dear now that and the other story has put me right off my tea.:(

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Would anyone object to me moving this to Chit Chat?

[Manic Impressive]

not you, just the western tabloid/huffpost people who creamed their pants on the idea and who thus didnt bother to check whether a open ed by a mubarak stooge in a mubarak newspaper might be bullshit.
But I understand this might be understood differently, ill edit it again...
Thanks and sorry for jumping to the wrong conclusions (I've had a really bad day)

Godless I think chit-chat's a good idea, it shouldn't be in women's struggle

[Franz Fanonipants]

fuck the internet

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Okay, I will move it to Chit Chat.If another mod or Admin disagrees they can move it to a forum they think would be better.

[Sasha]

Let's put in non-political instead, chitchat would be just an invite for the "I would fuck a corpse if she is hawt" crowd.

[Devrim]

I am not sure who to laugh at more here.

Devrim

[Manic Impressive]

I am not sure who to laugh at more here.

Devrim
I think me probably ;)

[gorillafuck]

Excellent! Oh, wait, no it isn't. Legalizing sex with freshies is about the most progressive thing I've seen a country do this year....really?

are you kidding or not? I actually can't tell.


Lowering the marriage age is also great, but then they take away womens' rights to education and a job. Fan-fucking-tastic.
Of course, guess which part makes the headline. Sensationalizing bastards.countries with really low marriage ages shows their dedication to youth rights!

oh wait no it's so young girls can be forced to marry older men


Jeez who would vote for a Necrophelia law? Is seems so alien living in the U.S. but is there really a demand for this law from the Egyptian male population?there obviously isn't. are you seriously considering the idea that for some reason Egypt is the one country in the world where people demand legalized necrophilia?

[Os Cangaceiros]

Oh, and we should stop associating Reactionary movements with the term 'Revolution.'

"Reactionary movements"? That's a pretty sweeping claim. The events of 2011 in Egypt can be criticized, critiqued, etc., they're certainly not beyond that, but when considering the fact that 100,000's of people were out in the street (basically evicting the initial police/security forces from the streets of Cairo through pure numbers), thousands of workers on strike, hundreds of police stations were attacked/burned throughout the country, and every ruling party office in Cairo was completely destroyed...not to mention the fact that somewhere in the neighborhood of 850 people were killed in the first weeks of protest, and the number is probably closer to 1,000 now through subsequent violence initiated by the ruling military government and their paramilitary salafist puppets...

To just label that a "reactionary movement" seems pretty dumb.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Muslims did it = permanent primitivism

[brigadista]

amazed anyone would believe this tbh

[Zav]

...really?
are you kidding or not? I actually can't tell.
?
I was half kidding. I used a necrophiliac term (freshies, as opposed to moldies, referring to the time elapsed after death) to make myself sound entirely serious. While it would be progressive if it actually happened, the context of the misogynistic law and the fact that it isn't even an issue most people consider yet made room for a bit of sarcasm.

Edit:


countries with really low marriage ages shows their dedication to youth rights!

oh wait no it's so young girls can be forced to marry older men
No shit. This part of the post was entirely sarcastic. Like the necrophilia legalization, it would be progressive on its own, but the context makes it reactionary. Of course, it almost certainly is propaganda and false.

[honest john's firing squad]

While it [the legalisation of necrophilia] would be progressive if it actually happened
Are you for real?

P.S. does 'progressive' actually mean anything to you or are you just another victim of catchy left-of-center sloganeering?

[Zav]

Are you for real?

P.S. does 'progressive' actually mean anything to you or are you just another victim of catchy left-of-center sloganeering?
*thundering voice*
I am Sardonus, god of sarcasm! Am I serious or not? None shall ever know!
*/voice*

[honest john's firing squad]

*thundering voice*
I am Sardonus, god of sarcasm! Am I serious or not? None shall ever know!
*/voice*
I dunno man, this is revleft so it's actually pretty likely someone could mean it when they say this wack shit. It's also not uncommon for some "libertarian socialists" to praise the most obscure of reforms in the name of "liberty" and the like.

[gorillafuck]

]While it would be progressive if it actually happened, the context of the misogynistic law and the fact that it isn't even an issue most people consider yet made room for a bit of sarcasm.this is the only aspect I was responding to, and that's still completely nuts.

if you're being sarcastic, then you're not very good at giving it proper context. having one sarcastic sentence with no indication of sarcasm plugged into two paragraphs is not a good idea for communicating.

[Princess Luna]

I dunno man, this is revleft so it's actually pretty likely someone could mean it when they say this wack shit. It's also not uncommon for some "libertarian socialists" to praise the most obscure of reforms in the name of "liberty" and the like.
And it is also not uncommon for people to feign moral outrage at the mere suggestion extreme sexual taboos like necrophilia, beastailty, and incest be legalized. I don't go around publicly protesting laws against necrophilia, but if the issue is brought up I will state my opinion. If you get the person's permission before they died and the corpse is "fresh" enough that is doesn't not pose a significant health risk, then yes you should be able to legally fuck it. If you have a valid reason why it should be illegal by all means say, but the burden of proof is on you for why people should be locked in prison, whey they are doing no harm. However I have a feeling the majority of people who want it illegal, do so merely because they personally find it disgusting

[Os Cangaceiros]

And it is also not uncommon for people to feign moral outrage at the mere suggestion extreme sexual taboos like necrophilia, beastailty, and incest be legalized.

I think that in some US states there aren't laws on the books regarding necrophilia. I think in most states it's a pretty low charge, anyway, I remember reading that in Texas it's a class B misdeamenor or something.

So if you get caught naked in the graveyard with a shovel, chances are you'll just get some community service. :closedeyes:

[Princess Luna]

I think that in some US states there aren't laws on the books regarding necrophilia. I think in most states it's a pretty low charge, anyway, I remember reading that in Texas it's a class B misdeamenor or something.

So if you get caught naked in the graveyard with a shovel, chances are you'll just get some community service. :closedeyes:
Holy shit, your right! That really surprises me considering how regressive most US states are with regards to sexual matters. In fact in the state I live oral sex between heterosexual adults is illegal (but not enforced of course) but there is no law against necrophilia. I learn something new everyday.However several states do in fact have it listed as a felony crime.

[honest john's firing squad]

And it is also not uncommon for people to feign moral outrage at the mere suggestion extreme sexual taboos like necrophilia, beastailty, and incest be legalized. I don't go around publicly protesting laws against necrophilia, but if the issue is brought up I will state my opinion. If you get the person's permission before they died and the corpse is "fresh" enough that is doesn't not pose a significant health risk, then yes you should be able to legally fuck it. If you have a valid reason why it should be illegal by all means say, but the burden of proof is on you for why people should be locked in prison, whey they are doing no harm. However I have a feeling the majority of people who want it illegal, do so merely because they personally find it disgusting
I'm not feigning "moral outrage". I just think the term 'progressive' has been misappropriated to describe some of the most bizarre, non-revolutionary (and in many cases, downright reactionary) shit and this is a perfect example of that. (yes, I know Zav was being sarcastic, but that didn't really seem to be evident to anyone at all at the time)

[Zav]

this is the only aspect I was responding to, and that's still completely nuts.

if you're being sarcastic, then you're not very good at giving it proper context. having one sarcastic sentence with no indication of sarcasm plugged into two paragraphs is not a good idea for communicating.
I wasn't being sarcastic.
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/191/809/me_gusta_mucho_by_megustamuchoplz-d416uqk.png

[gorillafuck]

And it is also not uncommon for people to feign moral outrage at the mere suggestion extreme sexual taboos like necrophilia, beastailty, and incest be legalized. I don't go around publicly protesting laws against necrophilia, but if the issue is brought up I will state my opinion. If you get the person's permission before they died and the corpse is "fresh" enough that is doesn't not pose a significant health risk, then yes you should be able to legally fuck it.necrophilia and adult incest are in different ballparks. adult incest is an area where lack of law would suffice because it's just a harmless sexual oddity. necrophilia is violating a deceased person.

the scenario you are giving about permission is nonexistent.


If you have a valid reason why it should be illegal by all means say, but the burden of proof is on you for why people should be locked in prison, whey they are doing no harm. However I have a feeling the majority of people who want it illegal, do so merely because they personally find it disgustingyou are making a wild, unreal scenario and saying that law should be based off of it. you're talking about how somewhere in the world, someone might ask someone if they can have sex with them after they are dead, and that person agreed to it. and you're making that a legislative issue. that's ridiculous.

nobody who has been arrested for necrophilia had gotten the corpses consent before they died.