Incest

[Nox]

I'm just curious as to what the general leftist view on incest is. I haven't seen anyone talk about the subject here so far and I'm a little confused about my feelings towards it.

[Ostrinski]

As long as it's consensual I think it's fine.

[Nox]

As long as it's consensual I think it's fine.

Yeah that is what I'm thinking mainly, but what keeps bothering me is the greatly increased risk of genetic problems etc. I don't see much wrong with marrying a second cousin or maybe first, but what about brother/sister?

I'm no expert on the subject so correct me if I'm wrong.

[LeftAtheist]

The only problem I can see is pregnancy. Barring that, I see no problems with (consentual) incest.

[Ostrinski]

Yeah that is what I'm thinking mainly, but what keeps bothering me is the greatly increased risk of genetic problems etc. I don't see much wrong with marrying a second cousin or maybe first, but what about brother/sister?

I'm no expert on the subject so correct me if I'm wrong.Idk, I think if two people want to fuck they're going to whether or not it's legal.

[Hermes]

I don't have anything against it, so long (like Brospierre said) as it's consensual, as well as both parties knowing what they have a chance of producing(specifically male/female pairs).

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To the argument about genetic defects, it's really their own prerogative. If they're willing to take care of the kid, I don't see any reason why it should be different from people with, for example, Down's syndrome.

[Drosophila]

Yeah that is what I'm thinking mainly, but what keeps bothering me is the greatly increased risk of genetic problems etc. I don't see much wrong with marrying a second cousin or maybe first, but what about brother/sister?

I'm no expert on the subject so correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm pretty sure that would be inbreeding, not incest.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

It's disgusting as fuck but if it is consensual than whatevs.

[Bronco]

Yeah that is what I'm thinking mainly, but what keeps bothering me is the greatly increased risk of genetic problems etc. I don't see much wrong with marrying a second cousin or maybe first, but what about brother/sister?

I'm no expert on the subject so correct me if I'm wrong.

Is that any different to disabled people having children, or people with certain illnesses or defects which will likely be passed on?

Edit - I see this was already mentioned by Hermes

[Nox]

Is that any different to disabled people having children, or people with certain illnesses or defects which will likely be passed on?

Edit - I see this was already mentioned by Hermes

Yeah that's a good point I guess. I don't have anything against people with genetic defects reproducing so I guess it's kinda the same thing.

[Pretty Flaco]

As marxists we should work for the development of incest programs to encourage incest in our communities.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NO. If we look at it from a materialist viewpoint, putting aside all moralist arguments and the fact that it is just gross as fucking shit, it would still be best to make it illegal. You cannot restrict incest to only "consensual" incest, because what will happen is that not only will family members force other family members into sexual relationships and then say it was consensual to law enforcement, incest in general will be encouraged. Allowing a brother and sister to marry each other (which is sooo fucking gross) might encourage a mentally ill father to have sexual relations with his underaged daughter. We can never tell how the minds of people work. Also, another materialistic argument against legalizing incest is the fear of the ill effects of interbreeding, which happens to be a real fear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

As a result, first-generation inbred individuals are more likely to show physical and health defects, including:
Reduced fertility both in litter size and sperm viability
Increased genetic disorders
Fluctuating facial asymmetry
Lower birth rate
Higher infant mortality
Slower growth rate
Smaller adult size
Loss of immune system function


Just because a brother and sister want to fuck does not mean that the many generations after them should have to suffer for it. And, yes, even a union of that kind should be illegal. What usually happens when you have a partner? You have sex with them. Is the government going to force them to use contraception all the time in order to prevent interbreeding?

And, to the people who say, "Well, people already do it, so making it legal would just increase freedom and not really change how many people are doing it," I say this: "I bet there are also a lot of people who would love to experiment with incest once it becomes legal who have not had the urge or the guts to do it beforehand."

[Blanquist]

The state has no business in peoples private sex lives.

I don't care if it's incest or bestiality. It isn't a police or government issue.

This was the view of the Bolsheviks and it is my view.

[gorillafuck]

As marxists we should work for the development of incest programs to encourage incest in our communities.some places have programs called big brother and big sister programs that I think may be for that

[dodger]

As long as it's consensual I think it's fine.

My great aunt is 97yrs, whether she is capable of giving consent I don't know.

[Franz Fanonipants]

this fucking forum

[MustCrushCapitalism]

To the argument about genetic defects, it's really their own prerogative. If they're willing to take care of the kid, I don't see any reason why it should be different from people with, for example, Down's syndrome.
Except, you know, that the kid is going to suffer his whole life because of it.

[Prometeo liberado]

As marxists we should work for the development of incest programs to encourage incest in our communities.

When you people write shit like that its just a matter of time before some yahoo copies and posts it elsewhere totally out of context. I can see it now, "See, this is Socialism!". Hope you had fun writing it.

[shankane]

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NO. If we look at it from a materialist viewpoint, putting aside all moralist arguments and the fact that it is just gross as fucking shit, it would still be best to make it illegal. You cannot restrict incest to only "consensual" incest, because what will happen is that not only will family members force other family members into sexual relationships and then say it was consensual to law enforcement, incest in general will be encouraged. Allowing a brother and sister to marry each other (which is sooo fucking gross) might encourage a mentally ill father to have sexual relations with his underaged daughter. We can never tell how the minds of people work. Also, another materialistic argument against legalizing incest is the fear of the ill effects of interbreeding, which happens to be a real fear:


Just because a brother and sister want to fuck does not mean that the many generations after them should have to suffer for it. And, yes, even a union of that kind should be illegal. What usually happens when you have a partner? You have sex with them. Is the government going to force them to use contraception all the time in order to prevent interbreeding?

And, to the people who say, "Well, people already do it, so making it legal would just increase freedom and not really change how many people are doing it," I say this: "I bet there are also a lot of people who would love to experiment with incest once it becomes legal who have not had the urge or the guts to do it beforehand."

A teenage boy throwing around buzzwords is not a materialist perspective, by the way, lol.

[Yuppie Grinder]

As marxists we should work for the development of incest programs to encourage incest in our communities.
what the fuck am i reading

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

In my head it's really disgusting but really, who gives a shit.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

As marxists we should work for the development of incest programs to encourage incest in our communities.

I don't find that humorous if you are trying to be funny, and I don't think you are a real Marxist if you are being serious. That is not Marxism and, most importantly, that is not a joke. Consensual incest creates diseased offspring and non-consensual incest creates shattered individuals and destroyed lives. It is not funny at all.

[Os Cangaceiros]

When you people write shit like that its just a matter of time before some yahoo copies and posts it elsewhere totally out of context. I can see it now, "See, this is Socialism!". Hope you had fun writing it.

A blow to socialism just as damaging as the fall of the USSR, I'm sure.

[Franz Fanonipants]

most cases of incest are basically rape or a pattern of repeated sexual assault with familial power structures keeping that shit up

[Franz Fanonipants]

its like anarchists and left communists have taken this site over

e: oh wait

[bcbm]

Consensual incest creates diseased offspring

http://thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/condom.jpg

[Yuppie Grinder]

its like anarchists and left communists have taken this site over

e: oh wait
those are the hip ideologies
get with the times

[Hermes]

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NO. If we look at it from a materialist viewpoint, putting aside all moralist arguments and the fact that it is just gross as fucking shit, it would still be best to make it illegal. You cannot restrict incest to only "consensual" incest, because what will happen is that not only will family members force other family members into sexual relationships and then say it was consensual to law enforcement, incest in general will be encouraged. Allowing a brother and sister to marry each other (which is sooo fucking gross) might encourage a mentally ill father to have sexual relations with his underaged daughter. We can never tell how the minds of people work. Also, another materialistic argument against legalizing incest is the fear of the ill effects of interbreeding, which happens to be a real fear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding


Just because a brother and sister want to fuck does not mean that the many generations after them should have to suffer for it. And, yes, even a union of that kind should be illegal. What usually happens when you have a partner? You have sex with them. Is the government going to force them to use contraception all the time in order to prevent interbreeding?

And, to the people who say, "Well, people already do it, so making it legal would just increase freedom and not really change how many people are doing it," I say this: "I bet there are also a lot of people who would love to experiment with incest once it becomes legal who have not had the urge or the guts to do it beforehand."

You're absolutely right. Legalizing something encourages people to do it, which is why the most egalitarian societies are also usually the ones with the least amount of crime.

Also, I for one respect your ability to separate your moral views from your political views, as is evident with the unbiased tone of your post and several parenthetical statements.

I, for one, am all for eugenics. Why should we let anyone who isn't perfect have any chance to add to the gene pool? It's easier, and safer, in the long run to just get rid of them.

Most family members will obviously force other family members into non-consensual relationships, you're right. It's because all people who practice incest are mentally ill. It isn't as if the same exact thing happens with regular marriages or intercourse, and maybe we should try to actually treat the problem. The problem obviously results from deviants, so why not subjugate all the deviants?

[Franz Fanonipants]

those are the hip ideologies
get with the times

actually i just stopped giving a fuck

[Pretty Flaco]

Hope you had fun writing it.

i had more fun than a barrel of monkeys. communist incestual monkeys

[Franz Fanonipants]

I, for one, am all for eugenics. Why should we let anyone who isn't perfect have any chance to add to the gene pool? It's easier, and safer, in the long run to just get rid of them.

ban this nazi fuckstick

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I, for one, am all for eugenics.

Me too. I eat ultra-leftist babies. You happy?

[Bronco]

ban this nazi fuckstick

Yeah because he was being completely 100% serious and not sarcastic at all..

[Franz Fanonipants]

Yeah because he was being completely 100% serious and not sarcastic at all..

restrict his ass for making a stupid boring joke

[Pretty Flaco]

Yeah because he was being completely 100% serious and not sarcastic at all..

context dont matter when youre banning motherfuckers!

[bcbm]

well this has been fun