Labour MP Posts Anti-Foreigner Crap On Twitter

[Left Leanings]

Check this stupid prick out:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135343/MP-Barry-Sheermans-twitter-rant-foreign-workers-serving-worst-bacon-sandwich.html

Man of the people, Labour MP, Barry Sheerman, went on twitter to have a pop at foreign workers. And all because his bacon sandwich wasn't up to standard.

He asked why Camden Food Company can't employ English workers, and stated that he represented peeps in Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, not Gdansk.

He maintains his little rant is okay, beacuse it was St George's Day (England's 'patron saint')

[Threetune]

The useless shit-head is competing for disgruntled voters with the British National Party in the forthcoming local elections. There will be more of this from New Labour careerists. But will the ‘socialists’ inside the New Labour demand his deselection and expulsion etc.?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

White people are serious about their bacon sandwhichs, my my.

[Left Leanings]

The useless shit-head is competing for disgruntled voters with the British National Party in the forthcoming local elections. There will be more of this from New Labour careerists. But will the ‘socialists’ inside the New Labour demand his deselection and expulsion etc.?

The joys of the rhetorical question question, comrade.

Will they fuck!

I gave up on these nobheads a long, long time ago...:)

[Manic Impressive]

White people are serious about their bacon sandwhichs, my my.
Why bring race into it?

[ed miliband]

i expect this more from labour politicians than conservative ones tbh

[Left Leanings]

i expect this more from labour politicians than conservative ones tbh

One senior Labour minister in the last government, I think it was Margaret Hodge, starting banging on about how the indigeneous working-class, felt threatened by immigration.

In my view, expect this sort of shit from both Labour and Tory. Cos they all piss in the same pot.

[brigadista]

Surely no surprise? this is the reconstructed party from the other which had an election slogan which said 'if you dont want a n..... for a neighbour vote labour"

british politicians are all vile

[Left Leanings]

Surely no surprise? this is the reconstructed party from the other which had an election slogan which said 'if you dont want a n..... for a neighbour vote labour"

british politicians are all vile

All politicians who have their heads firmly entrenched up the backsides of capital, are vile.

[Manic Impressive]

No that was a conservative slogan which went "If you want a nigger for a neighbour vote liberal or labour"

[brigadista]

All politicians who have their heads firmly entrenched up the backsides of capital, are vile.

that much is obvious but this thread was about a particular lab politician:):)

[ed miliband]

One senior Labour minister in the last government, I think it was Margaret Hodge, starting banging on about how the indigeneous working-class, felt threatened by immigration.

In my view, expect this sort of shit from both Labour and Tory. Cos they all piss in the same pot.

yeah and brown's "british jobs for british workers" shtick

but tories have more donors who benefit from a freer movement of labour (none of this is to say the tories don't do exactly the same thing)

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

What is an MP? :confused:

It's not a PM.

[ed miliband]

Surely no surprise? this is the reconstructed party from the other which had an election slogan which said 'if you dont want a n..... for a neighbour vote labour"

british politicians are all vile

yeah that was a tory slogan - something similar from the labour vaults tho:


We cannot go on like this. I do not care what those on this side of the House, or the Opposition side or anywhere else, say. Problems at local level will become worse and worse for our own people unless something is done. All hon. Members know that people come to their surgeries describing the most distressing conditions—terrifying conditions. People born and bred in their own constituencies have been on the housing waiting list for as long as six years. But, on the points system, one must give immigrants preference...People cannot come here just because they have a British passport—full stop.

- bob mellish

[Left Leanings]

yeah and brown's "british jobs for british workers" shtick

but tories have more donors who benefit from a freer movement of labour (none of this is to say the tories don't do exactly the same thing)

Indeed, comrade. The sooner we get these lackeys and the people they serve off our backs, the better :)

[W1N5T0N]

MP- Member of Parliament.

PM- Prime Minister

[Left Leanings]

What is an MP? :confused:

It's not a PM.

Sorry, comrade. I missed your post, otherwise I would have answered :blushing:

[dodger]

Labour is panicking, it was their legislation along with Brussels that led to this deeply unpopular immigration policy. Chickens coming home to roost. High unemployment, housing crises, social welfare crises Brown and Blair's answer a flood of immigrants. Logic escapes us. Labour is not the only game in town. Hence the rhetoric, empty of course. Our children need jobs Apprenticeships, training. Not robbing other countries of their skills.

[Crux]

Labour is panicking, it was their legislation along with Brussels that led to this deeply unpopular immigration policy. Chickens coming home to roost. High unemployment, housing crises, social welfare crises Brown and Blair's answer a flood of immigrants. Logic escapes us. Labour is not the only game in town. Hence the rhetoric, empty of course. Our children need jobs Apprenticeships, training. Not robbing other countries of their skills.
So basically those damn immigrants keep stealing your jobs and only live on wellfare?

[Threetune]

Labour is panicking, it was their legislation along with Brussels that led to this deeply unpopular immigration policy. Chickens coming home to roost. High unemployment, housing crises, social welfare crises Brown and Blair's answer a flood of immigrants. Logic escapes us. Labour is not the only game in town. Hence the rhetoric, empty of course. Our children need jobs Apprenticeships, training. Not robbing other countries of their skills.

“High unemployment, housing crises, and social welfare crises” are not coursed by immigrants, New labour or the Coalition government, they are integral to capitalism itself like ignorance, stupidity and sly racism are.

[OHumanista]

Unfortunately this is typical of Labour nowadays. Not very surprising.

[dodger]

So basically those damn immigrants keep stealing your jobs and only live on wellfare?

This picture you have of immigrants, is bizarre.

[Threetune]

This picture you have of immigrants, is bizarre.

The picture you present is wrong.

“High unemployment, housing crises, and social welfare crises” are not coursed by immigrants, New labour or the Coalition government, they are integral to capitalism itself like ignorance and stupidity sly racism.

[dodger]

“High unemployment, housing crises, and social welfare crises” are not coursed by immigrants, New labour or the Coalition government, they are integral to capitalism itself like ignorance, stupidity and sly racism are.

Threetune that is the point, capitalism through the EU delights in mass immigration. The laws like PPP framed in Brussels by Commissioners are a direct attack on Britons. 50% black youth unemployed is a national disgrace. Sly racism? British jobs for British workers is very clear. If there was a call here for Polish jobs for British workers I would scratch my head. Labour may well use sly racism to put distance from their disastrous policy of accepting social dumping. It is a game that will backfire. Immigration border controls are not race issues.

[Left Leanings]

Dodger mate, please don't take this the wrong way fella.

I couldn't find a job when I finished studying. I lost my head through it, so to speak. Then I had all kinds of shit trying to get a council place, despite having maximum medical points for allocation purposes.

And that was years back. The tensions are a fuck of a lot worse now, I know, with the cut backs, rising unemployment, and housing shortages.

But worker can never turn against worker. Please don't fall into this anti-immigrant, 'close the borders' crap. Leave that to the bastards trying to propr up the bosses system, who are only too happy to see British workers turn against immigrant workers.

Workers are workers, end of.

[Crux]

This picture you have of immigrants, is bizarre.
Oh I thought that was what you were trying to say? It sure seemed like it. And no the "flood of immigration" does not cause unemployment and whatever else you tried to pin on it.

[dodger]

Dodger mate, please don't take this the wrong way fella.

I couldn't find a job when I finished studying. I lost my head through it, so to speak. Then I had all kinds of shit trying to get a council place, despite having maximum medical points for allocation purposes.

And that was years back. The tensions are a fuck of a lot worse now, I know, with the cut backs, rising unemployment, and housing shortages.

But worker can never turn against worker. Please don't fall into this anti-immigrant, 'close the borders' crap. Leave that to the bastards trying to propr up the bosses system, who are only too happy to see British workers turn against immigrant workers.

Workers are workers, end of.

Always happy to here your considered views L/L and your personal experiences non less so. There is hardly a fag paper between us. Now here is where Dodger is scratching his head, what do the bosses want? In your opinion. What do we need? What is propping up the bosses system? You can see that my view is not anti immigrant, I take the view that all who settle work here are members of British Working class. The RMT has been at forefront assisting those new to struggle with material help and solidarity. Concrete results. All are strengthened. Employers are threatened and weakened. Also a slap in the kisser for any who might want to put race hate on an agenda.

We all want social cohesion, some even have more than just a stake in that. Everyone benefits from that. In truth it is essential to our civilised existence.I cannot think of a time when I have not worked or lived cheek by jowl
with immigrants. Over 80% of British Muslims get on well with their neighbours. Hooray..let it be higher. Puttiing our heads in the sand I fear will not bring the results we all desire. The issue must be met full on. Ask around...what exactly is the beef? Is it just white people moaning? Housing? Jobs? Culture? Workers are workers has never been a point of dispute. Lets look to our own, let others look to theirs. Let us not hand out to the bosses what they want and need. That would be too easy and we would be despized for it.

[Sam_b]

Lets look to our own, let others look to theirs

I'm sorry, but what is this?

[dodger]

It is a heartfelt desire to see each country develop. It is the business of each working class to come to terms with their own problems and sort them out as they see fit. Mass migrations solve nothing. Certainly robbing of skill base along with patrimony has had dire consequences here.Philippines.

[Sam_b]

Wow. Just wow.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

It is the business of each working class to come to terms with their own problems and sort them out as they see fit

But, dodger, there is only one working class. The divisions of the capitalist world into nations are irrelevant walls of no real relevance.

[dodger]

But, dodger, there is only one working class. The divisions of the capitalist world into nations are irrelevant walls of no real relevance.

Good job the globalists are kicking the doors in, breaching the walls? Stealing all the raw materials. Sending people, migrating, in their hundreds and thousands in a 21st century version of the slave trade. In addition to the gold, copper ,chrome, forestry, graduates people with enough wealth to afford plane tickets or visas(5yrs wages!) leave. They are an important resource surely. The British working class is the nation. Each working class must settle accounts at home, with it's own rulers. The more workers who take up this challenge, in more places, the healthier the working class as a whole will be. Be a little careful about writing off nations. The working class is often well in excess of 95% of them. The struggle for sovereignty, guarding against the ravages of global locusts and is on many agendas. How else might we defeat EU pans to bind us to their imperial war chariot. Undemocratic rule. Make us into itinerants.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Good job the globalists are kicking the doors in, breaching the walls? Stealing all the raw materials. Sending people, migrating, in their hundreds and thousands in a 21st century version of the slave trade. In addition to the gold, copper ,chrome, forestry, graduates people with enough wealth to afford plane tickets or visas(5yrs wages!) leave. They are an important resource surely. The British working class is the nation. Each working class must settle accounts at home, with it's own rulers. The more workers who take up this challenge, in more places, the healthier the working class as a whole will be. Be a little careful about writing off nations. The working class is often well in excess of 95% of them. The struggle for sovereignty, guarding against the ravages of global locusts and is on many agendas. How else might we defeat EU pans to bind us to their imperial war chariot. Undemocratic rule. Make us into itinerants.

The capitalists are free of borders - industrial ravages, hither thither - working class kept pacified, occupied with national concerns. Surely no one would disagree that people should not be forced out of where they live for economic concerns - but to go from this to supporting border control scum does not logically follow. The working class struggle must be international and global. The nation state is a farce. Pride and culture, mish-mash ugliness, jesters no longer merely for the king and queen; the working class is large percent of the global population, but fragmented and disenfranchised, before the international capitalist machine weak lest in unity fight.

EU, irrelevant. Whether the corrupt beasts of the EU parliament or the bloody scum in some national parliament sets the agenda - down with the lot. All capitalist government essentially of the same nature. The British government itself is more tied to the imperial war chariot already, is it not? EU no different. Same "undemocratic rule", of course - what else is capitalism ever? Farcical plays, no matter how good a masquerade they might put on. Ruled from London, Prague, Berlin or Phnom Penh; close or far away, decentralised or centralised, the rule is illegitimate all the same.

[rednordman]

It is a heartfelt desire to see each country develop. It is the business of each working class to come to terms with their own problems and sort them out as they see fit. Mass migrations solve nothing. Certainly robbing of skill base along with patrimony has had dire consequences here.Philippines.You see its refusing to face up to the problems of immigration and denying the national psyche which has cost the left very very dearly during the whole of the global economic collapse. Truely and opportunity has been missed. If people don't agree with it, it really isn't helpful to our cause to just to shout them down to size. That will only turn people more and more against us.

This is the problem, I think sometimes we underestimate the how ingrained national pride and sentiment is within countries across the world. This isn't simply something that can be beaten with an argument and definitely not by force either.

I see why people are critical of this post as they feel the need to view the working class as one systemic organism. There is nothing wrong with this and it is infact a good view....providing everyone of the working class around the world were communists. Sadly they are not, and some people would still die to defend capitalism, even though they are exploited. This problem will only be solved when people realize that it is capitalism that is the cause of the problem.

This however is something that isnt going to happen over night, and does at times seem impossible. Also to liberate people, they generally are going to need to feel like they are in control of their own collective destiny, where it be country, state, council, town, village or commune. Or they probably will feel like it is imperialism of some sort and no better off than they are right now.

Immigration fundamentally is a tool of capitalism and blindly supporting it is akin to blindly supporting the free market and capitalism. And that includes exploitation of foreign workers too.

I work with alot of immigrants and although they may like living in the UK, I wouldn't swap places with them. The real reason why they get all the jobs is because business require so much from workers nowadays that the British workers have been left behind in a sense. We have way too much rights for business to deal with. This is one of the main mechanisms of globalization. Capital always seeks the cheapest labor or easiest labor to manipulate.

British working class will always struggle from now on to get work until they give up all their rights and benefits and will to work the same wages and hours as foreign labor. So in effect, it is true that immigration is a problem but no matter how people will complain, fundamentally so long as capital rules the world, their will always be immigration.

[rednordman]

The capitalists are free of borders - industrial ravages, hither thither - working class kept pacified, occupied with national concerns. Surely no one would disagree that people should not be forced out of where they live for economic concerns - but to go from this to supporting border control scum does not logically follow. Er? Where exactly does dodger ever say that he is in support of border controls? As far as im concerned all he has done is face up to the grown discontent and scape goating there is with immigration. They may well be wrong, but trust me, is doesn't mean that they should be written off and ignored or even worse villi fed/condemned. That just makes us look elitist.

[dodger]

The capitalists are free of borders - industrial ravages, hither thither - working class kept pacified, occupied with national concerns. Surely no one would disagree that people should not be forced out of where they live for economic concerns - but to go from this to supporting border control scum does not logically follow. The working class struggle must be international and global. The nation state is a farce. Pride and culture, mish-mash ugliness, jesters no longer merely for the king and queen; the working class is large percent of the global population, but fragmented and disenfranchised, before the international capitalist machine weak lest in unity fight.

EU, irrelevant. Whether the corrupt beasts of the EU parliament or the bloody scum in some national parliament sets the agenda - down with the lot. All capitalist government essentially of the same nature. The British government itself is more tied to the imperial war chariot already, is it not? EU no different. Same "undemocratic rule", of course - what else is capitalism ever? Farcical plays, no matter how good a masquerade they might put on. Ruled from London, Prague, Berlin or Phnom Penh; close or far away, decentralised or centralised, the rule is illegitimate all the same.

Does anyone believe that Norway would have bombed Libya or Britain returned to old imperial haunts if they were not part of the EU. They come together not for any reason but they proved weak abject failures after 1945 in holding colonies and prancing around the world stage. Bottom line, we want to rule ourselves. Not be ruled by foreigners. Let the other nations of Europe do likewise. Let them indeed settle accounts with their own rulers. We are not a warrior nation but productive and hard working. Others in Europe share these common values. They too have lost much in the destruction wrought by merger. Let's not rubbish the culture of others in distant parts. Or at least make sure we understand it thoroughly. Self respect bears no resemblance to chauvinism or arrogance. We have our culture it is scored by productivity and living in peace. As with all our neighbours.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Does anyone believe that Norway would have bombed Libya or Britain returned to old imperial haunts if they were not part of the EU. They come together not for any reason but they proved weak abject failures after 1945 in holding colonies and prancing around the world stage. Bottom line, we want to rule ourselves. Not be ruled by foreigners. Let the other nations of Europe do likewise. Let them indeed settle accounts with their own rulers. We are not a warrior nation but productive and hard working. Others in Europe share these common values. They too have lost much in the destruction wrought by merger. Let's not rubbish the culture of others in distant parts. Or at least make sure we understand it thoroughly. Self respect bears no resemblance to chauvinism or arrogance. We have our culture it is scored by productivity and living in peace. As with all our neighbours.

There'd be institutions of political and economic coöperation between capitalist states without the existence of the EU as we know it, and it is very well likely that Norway or Shit-Sweden would have participated in this anyway. Do you really think the EU is an aberration that grew out of nothing? We're all ruled by foreigners, capitalist foreigners. What's it matter what worthless nation they hail from or claim to represent? We all know they talk from their sphincters rather than their mouths. Fuck national divisions.

Let's rubbish all the culture of the world and wrought from its foul & stale carcass the luminosity of the future and a new world.

[Proteus]

Capital can flow across borders, speculators can attack currency across the globe and corporations can locate, exploit and pillage anywhere, but impoverished people should stay at home because my fucking bacon roll wasn't up to scratch.

[Threetune]

Good job the globalists are kicking the doors in, breaching the walls? Stealing all the raw materials. Sending people, migrating, in their hundreds and thousands in a 21st century version of the slave trade. In addition to the gold, copper ,chrome, forestry, graduates people with enough wealth to afford plane tickets or visas(5yrs wages!) leave. They are an important resource surely. The British working class is the nation. Each working class must settle accounts at home, with it's own rulers. The more workers who take up this challenge, in more places, the healthier the working class as a whole will be. Be a little careful about writing off nations. The working class is often well in excess of 95% of them. The struggle for sovereignty, guarding against the ravages of global locusts and is on many agendas. How else might we defeat EU pans to bind us to their imperial war chariot. Undemocratic rule. Make us into itinerants.



I’m all for facing up to hard facts, calling things by their name and what I’m reading here is nothing but ‘notational socialism’ plain and simple.

In its present form here it’s sounding all paternalistic and even fraternal. A cross between Arthur Scargill’s Socialist Labour Party with its constant references the ‘the British people‘ and the English Defence League ‘Promoting The Traditions Of England While At the Same Time Being Open To Embrace The Best Other Cultures Can Offer”.

By all means let this important debate roll, but let’s not be confused or complacent, 'dodger' is obviously not a naïve writer.

[Crux]

Does anyone believe that Norway would have bombed Libya [...] if they were not part of the EU.
Well, I do. Because, you know, Norway is not in the EU.

[Thirsty Crow]

Wow. Just wow.
You know what else is wow? That dodger and other posters had the exact same discussion with dodger defending the exact same reactionary positions before, all the while nobody from the management bothered to what they're supposed to to - enforce board rules.

[Threetune]

Majokovskij,
Are we witnessing the ‘left’ marching separately but striking together for a refreshing change? ;)

[dodger]

Well, I do. Because, you know, Norway is not in the EU.

Thanks for the correction---Nato.

[robbo203]

And to think there are still groups on the left who ask us to "vote labour without illusions"
:rolleyes:

[dodger]

And to think there are still groups on the left who ask us to "vote labour without illusions"
:rolleyes:

Not even Labour party comrades at work have ever, ever, ever asked Dodger to do that!!!

[robbo203]

It is a heartfelt desire to see each country develop. It is the business of each working class to come to terms with their own problems and sort them out as they see fit. Mass migrations solve nothing. Certainly robbing of skill base along with patrimony has had dire consequences here.Philippines.


No. This is precisely the sort of thinking that sucks workers into supporting the capitalists´ agenda, The nationalistic subtext behind your "heartfelt desire to see each country develop" can only faciliate the age old divide-and-rule strategem which the ruling class has always used to keep the subject class weak and divided. The workers have no country, as Marx said, and therefore the notion that we have a vested interest in promoting the development of one particular arbitrary slice of the world called "our" country, as opposed to some other part of the world, is absurd.

The capitalists themselves increasingly dont think or act in these terms and nor should we But they want us to do so. Identification with the supposed national interests,even more than individualist ideology, is one of the most effective ways of obscuring and deflecting the class struggle since it is predicated on the assumption that there is some mythical common interest that binds together all the citizens of some national unit, workers and capitalists alike. Point is, I have vastly more in common with a fellow worker in the Phillipines than I have with a capitalist in my "own" country. His or her problems are also my problems and vice versa

There can be no compromise on this point. Nationalism needs to be opposed lock, stock and barrel. This is one of the reasons why I am so vehemently opposed to the leftist advocates of nationalisation (state capitalism) - not to mention the so called anti-imperialist advocates of "national liberation" - on this forum. It lends itself so easily to a nationalistic mindset and thus to the capitalist agenda upon which this is based

[Threetune]

... The capitalists themselves increasingly dont think or act in these terms and nor should we But they want us to do so. Identification with the supposed national interests,even more than individualist ideology, is one of the most effective ways of obscuring and deflecting the class struggle since it is predicated on the assumption that there is some mythical common interest that binds together all the citizens of some national unit, workers and capitalists alike. Point is, I have vastly more in common with a fellow worker in the Phillipines than I have with a capitalist in my "own" country. His or her problems are also my problems and vice versa

There can be no compromise on this point. Nationalism needs to be opposed lock, stock and barrel. This is one of the reasons why I am so vehemently opposed to the leftist advocates of nationalisation (state capitalism) - not to mention the so called anti-imperialist advocates of "national liberation" - on this forum. It lends itself so easily to a nationalistic mindset and thus to the capitalist agenda upon which this is based

Great, this gets to the core of the problem that all revolutionaries are always struggling with.
However, your presentation is only the reverse side of ‘dodger’s’ reactionary nationalist coin, but with far better intent.

Of course all nationalism is always ultimately reactionary, but the mighty imperialist nationalism of the US and of Britain for example, as opposed anti-US anti-British Irish and Palestinian nationalism, is obviously a greater threat and danger to the working class internationally. How can you not see that?

EDIT:
Just switch the names and the revolutionary logic stays the same.

“A difficulty is to some extent created by the fact that in Russia the proletariat of both the oppressed and oppressor nations are fighting, and must fight, side by side. The task is to preserve the unity of the proletariat’s class struggle for socialism, and to resist all bourgeois and Black-Hundred nationalist influences. Where the oppressed nations are concerned, the separate organisation of the proletariat as an independent party sometimes leads to such a bitter struggle against local nationalism that the perspective becomes distorted and the nationalism of the oppressor nation is lost sight of.” Lenin, 'The Right of Nations to Self-Determination.'

[dodger]

So threetune, Ireland and Palestine are to have their nation. Any more countries to add to your list? Which countries might enjoy sovereignty?

[robbo203]

Wheher US imperialism is a greater threat to the international working class than naionalism or imperialism elsewhere, is neither here nor there. What matters is how you repond to it.

To take sides in capitalist conflicts and to support the capitalist principle of the right of nations to self determination is preciely to succumb to the divide and rule stratey I talked of that can only weaken the working class internationally. Nationalism whether it be US nationalism or Irish nationalism or Palestinian nationalism must be opposed by communists. That stands to reason

[Threetune]

Wheher US imperialism is a greater threat to the international working class than naionalism or imperialism elsewhere, is neither here nor there. What matters is how you repond to it.

To take sides in capitalist conflicts and to support the capitalist principle of the right of nations to self determination is preciely to succumb to the divide and rule stratey I talked of that can only weaken the working class internationally. Nationalism whether it be US nationalism or Irish nationalism or Palestinian nationalism must be opposed by communists. That stands to reason



Ok, I can only conclude that you along with so many others ‘on the left’ have adopted an opportunist stance in relation to ‘the national question’ in order to head off domestic sanction from the bourgeois ‘public opinion’ and that you will continue in this vain. So let Lenin have the last word. ‘The Right of Nations to Self-Determination’ Lenin (Italics in the original)


“To the workers the important thing is to distinguish the principles of the two trends. Insofar as the bourgeoisie of the oppressed nation fights the oppressor, we are always, in every case,and more strongly than anyone else, in favour, for we are the staunchest and the most consistent enemies of oppression. But insofar as the bourgeoisie of the oppressed nation stands for its own bourgeois nationalism, we stand against. We fight against the privileges and violence of the oppressor nation, and do not in any way condone strivings for privileges on the part of the oppressed nation.”

“If, in our political agitation, we fail to advance and advocate the slogan of the right to secession, we shall play into the hands, not only of the bourgeoisie, but also of the feudal landlords and the absolutism of the oppressor nation. Kautsky long ago used this argument against Rosa Luxemburg, and the argument is indisputable. When, in her anxiety not to “assist” the nationalist bourgeoisie of Poland, Rosa Luxemburg rejects the right to secession in the programme of the Marxists in Russia, she is in fact assisting the Great-Russian Black Hundreds. She is in fact assisting opportunist tolerance of the privileges (and worse than privileges) of the Great Russians.”