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Guest
16th November 2001, 17:59
The Floors May Be Dirty, But in Kabul It's the Ritz
With Taliban Gone, the Joint Is Jumpin'

By Lucian Perkins
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 16, 2001; Page A24


KABUL, Afghanistan, Nov. 15 -- Standing at the doorway of his restaurant, dressed in black pants and a sports jacket, Azim Niazi has a warm welcome for each arriving customer -- a consummate restaurateur.

If his restaurant were in Washington, he would probably be greeting politicians and lobbyists. Here in Kabul he is embracing the commanders of the Northern Alliance as they swagger in, surrounded by troops carrying assault rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and machine guns slung over their backs. Soon the weapons are lying on the floor or leaning against tables and chairs as everyone sits down to eat.

Niazi's restaurant, the Herat, is a big room with dirty floors, shabby tables and worn chairs. The large windows are covered with dust. The bar is filled with soft drinks only. But for anyone who has been in Afghanistan for a while, this place is the Ritz. The menu of kebabs, rice, yogurt and rich meat sauces is delicious by any standard.

And now, after the Taliban's flight from Kabul, the Herat has become a hot spot. Niazi loves it. "We can now play music, wear trousers, and trim our beards," he reports with obvious delight. "Today this is a cheerful place to be." Behind him, Afghan music blares from the stereo. Music had not been heard in the Herat under the Islamic strictures that prevailed during the five years that the Taliban ruled most of Afghanistan.

By 1 p.m., Niazi's tables are filled with Northern Alliance soldiers, young men and a few journalists. Most customers eat large portions of the food with their hands, but forks and spoons are available for those who prefer to be daintier. Waiters scurry in all directions to please their customers who, after a hearty lunch, order dessert, green tea and Pepsis.

As the lunch crowd cleared out today, a group of Northern Alliance troops arrived with two guests -- Taliban prisoners they had just captured. They all sat together like friends. The troops ordered food for the whole group. "They tried to escape by dressing as Northern Alliance soldiers," said Najeeb Khan, one of the Northern Alliance fighters. "They had machine guns and a stolen jeep. We stopped them at our checkpoint because they looked Talib from their beards. We asked them who their commander was and they just got flustered, so we arrested them."

The two prisoners, Najeeb and Nazar, sat smiling as food was brought. Asked if they would have taken Northern Alliance soldiers to lunch if they had captured them, Naza chuckled and said, "No, we would have shot them." The soldiers laughed. "See how nicely we treat our prisoners," said Khan.

Niazi watched in amusement. In the seven years since he opened the Herat, he has seen pieces of Afghan history pass through his restaurant. Business has been painfully slow for several years. Many of Kabul's young people left the city because of the Taliban. And Taliban members were frugal customers.

Niazi's last Taliban patrons came Monday night -- his only customers that night. "When they got up to leave they started to argue over the bill," Niazi recounted. "I told them this was no time to argue. At that moment Kabul was under heavy attack from American planes. The ground and windows were shaking. They told me that I must have been enjoying this. I just told them that we all know why this happened. The Taliban brought this on themselves. They left the city later that night."



© 2001 The Washington Post Company

CommieBastard
16th November 2001, 18:13
but ofcourse, that isn't propoganda, and ofcourse, absolutely none of us have seen footage of the Talib soldiers having the shit beaten and shot out of them...

Guest
16th November 2001, 18:39
Oh, poor Taliban. After all the nice things they've done, why would anyone be sore? If anyone deserves to be beaten, the Taliban does, even if the Northern Alliance does too. What do you think war is? Didn't your hero Che snuff out an imperialist or two? Yeah, but that's different. What you like is truth, what you don't is propaganda. Ask the people in Kabul what they would prefer. The nice treatment of the Taliban, I'm sure.

CheGuevara
16th November 2001, 19:33
I wouldn't mind seeing the Taliban soldiers getting the shit kicked out of them. Tortued and killed, no, I'd rather not see that, unless they are associated with war crimes, but a nice beating would suffice.

Moskitto
16th November 2001, 19:48
As I've said.

Don't side with the Taliban just to oppose America, The Taliban are sick but the Northern Alliance aren't much better.

CommieBastard
17th November 2001, 16:27
This guest is a true idiot.

You post those lies, and when i say that they are lies all you can say is "aha! so you sympathise with the taliban then!"

no, i think you will find all i said is that what you had written was lies, and you've proven it.
Moron.

El Commandante
17th November 2001, 22:35
I don't blame the residents of Kabul living in fear. They have been under the rule of the liberating General before (I think his name is Dustom, not sure of the spelling). This is the man in his short time in charge before the Taleban came to power killed over 20,000 civillians for minor offences similiar to the Talebs, but he did it on a much bigger scale and faster. This is also the man whose favoured punishment for petty thieves was tying each arm to the gun barrel of a tank and getting them to slowly reverse tearing the person in two.

If you don't think that there are reprisals going on as we speak then you truely have been manipulated by the media.

Guest
18th November 2001, 00:01
The residents are happy to be rid of the Taliban, regardless of whether or not there are still problems. Does that bother you, Bastard? You want the side that the U.S. is fighting with to be just as bad as the Taliban, but wishing won't make it true. Can you show that the residents prefer the Taliban? I think their opinion means a lot more than CommieMoron's opinion. Tell me how you know that those are lies? You have know way of being able to see the truth because you are too biased against the U.S. or anything associated with it. You are a blind jackass. :D

DaNatural
18th November 2001, 06:32
well guest in the begining the people did prefer the taliban. the northern alliance ruled for some time and itwas nothing but chaos. taliban came in and enforced a twisted form of islamic law. so think about it, if they approved the taliban over the NA, then imagine how bad they were. stop living in denial my friend life is much better that way. peace

CommieBastard
18th November 2001, 16:14
what was the website again? www.rawa.com?
just look at what the women of afghanistan have to say about your precious northern alliance. Both the NA and Taliban are organisations who have onyl ever achieved one thing: pain.

My friend, i would much rather the US could for once in it's histroy find someone ethical to back, but sadly, this just isn't true.
As for the NA treating Taliban prisoners well....
in the US it seems they want to blind you...
here in the UK our papers are jingoistically showing pictures of Taliban being beatan by the NA and saying "hurrah! hurrah! the taliban are getting the shit beatan out of them by the virtuous, conquering NA!". sorry, but neither story washes with me. Your cries fall on deaf ears my friend, for only the truth will reach mine.

Maaja
19th November 2001, 21:56
I saw an emisson about the Northern Alliance and it was very choking. Those men are dangerous. I saw them caressing their weapons, i think that they didn't realize it. They touched them as they would be women. It was discusting. I am sure that they'll wan't to have a new war in the future. They told that war is very important for them, like the only thing a man should do is to fight.

Guest
20th November 2001, 07:09
Quote: from CommieBastard on 5:14 pm on Nov. 18, 2001
My friend, i would much rather the US could for once in it's histroy find someone ethical to back, but sadly, this just isn't true.
As for the NA treating Taliban prisoners well....
in the US it seems they want to blind you...
here in the UK our papers are jingoistically showing pictures of Taliban being beatan by the NA and saying "hurrah! hurrah! the taliban are getting the shit beatan out of them by the virtuous, conquering NA!". sorry, but neither story washes with me. Your cries fall on deaf ears my friend, for only the truth will reach mine.
Silly Bastard. Try to listen. I never said the Northern Alliance was "ethical". But I do say that the general population prefers to have the Taliban out of power. I never said the NA treated its Taliban prisoners well either. The article gave one anecdote. But for all I care, they can beat the shit out of them. Why were Afghans celebrating the departure of the Taliban? Shaving beards? Removing burkas? Flying kites? Bringing out hidden radios and TVs? But who cares what they think? They only live there. I'm sure CommieBastard's wisdom is much more relevant. Why don't you tell them how they don't have it any better? Silly Bastard.

CommieBastard
20th November 2001, 17:08
they celebrate their new-found freedom with the knowledge that there is another freedom they will soon lose - The Freedom to live.
As i said, check out what the RAWA have to say about it. The people of afghanistan are not 'happy' about the NA coming in, they are merely slightly less sad than before, which doesnt equate to the same thing.
Any Afghan will willingly tell you how they don't have it any better.

Also, however, how the hell did those people get those nice new shiny radios that we see them pictured holding? a little suspicious methinks, especially when i even saw footage with a person surreptisiously pushing it nearer to an afghans ear from off-shot because he couldnt hear it, and wasnt using it properly....
anyway, i am going off on a tangent again...

Son of Scargill
20th November 2001, 18:56
Let's face it the Afghan people are fucked whatever happens,the Taliban aren't defeated yet,and will probably break up into smaller guerrilla groups anyway,the NA are a bunch of psycho's who hate the Pashtan majority,and the"broad-based coalition"proposed by NATO and the UN feel alienated by the US Govt. They also probably don't have the solidarity and confidence to hold Afghanistan together if another long drawn-out civil war begins.Yep!Things are looking up.
As Vice-Prez Cheney said about his beloved oil pipeline project in1998"An Emir,no parliament and lots of Sharia Law.We can live with that."
BTW,there's still women wearing burkas...something to do with their religion I suppose.But it is good that they now have the choice........I'm just wondering for how long?

Kez
20th November 2001, 19:29
i agree with cb and sos, the people are happier the taliban have gone , but are not happy the na is here.
its like the uk being ruled by fascists, then liberated by the national front? yeah, better but still the bollocks.

comrade kamo

Son of Scargill
20th November 2001, 19:43
Good analogy Kamo,but you forgot to mention the US oil corporations taking the North Sea oil reserves and only paying the NF Govt. 15cents for every 1000 square metres of oil........mind you,they'd be dumb enough to accept the offer!

Kez
20th November 2001, 20:11
ey?
nf government?

help meeeee

comrade kamo

Guest1
21st November 2001, 04:09
I'm not sure what the hell son of scargill means...

I was born in Saudi Arabia, so I know what it's liek to live in a state based on a religion. The Taliban are much more fanatic than that. It's for that reason that I'm not sad that they lost power. But that doesn't mean I support the Northern Alliance, either. What I fear is this: The U.S. is sick of getting oil from the Arab countries. the reason they supported the Taliban and Bin Laden in the beginning was that. They wanted to build an oil pipeline from the former Soviet states in Central Asia, through Afghanistan and to the Indian Ocean where it can be loaded onto ships. Now, with the Northern Alliance in power, they'll do the same thing. They're going to fund them, give them supplies and turn a blind eye to human rights violations just like they did with the Taliban because they want to build that pipeline. That's what I fear, and that's why I'm not happy the Northern Alliance are in power.

Son of Scargill
21st November 2001, 06:45
Exactly my point,Che 'n' weed,in fact the Northern Alliance had signed an agreement to the pipeline before this shit kicked off!
Incidentally,another pipeline from the Caspian to Europe happens to traverse the Balkans,you know,Macedonia Kosovo,Albania.I'm sure it's just coincidence,but hey!you never know when big bucks are involved.

P.S. Son of Scargill is a nickname of mine from the '84 miners strike,another glorious defeat that we english love. Arthur Scargill led the miners.

P.P.S.Meant to type" cubic metres"not"square metres" in the last post,before anyone gives me any flak!