What class am I exactly?

[Angry Young and Red]

I'm a student. I live off the student benefits I get. My dad worked for quite a long time in his life as a journalist, until he became a journalist teacher which he still is. My mother worked has worked with several different kinds of jobs(mostly free-lance journalist), and now works as a Public Relations Officer.

Would this make me upper working class or lower middle-class, or something else? I haven't been able to decide where to place myself...

[Deicide]

Proletariat.

Marxists don't define class by income brackets or by the 'prestigiousness' or 'social rank' that our society associates with certain professions, but by your relation to the means of production.

But there are 'Marxists' who believe this conception is no longer completely adequate.

[Railyon]

Lumpen. We are all Lumpen.


I'm a student. I live off the student benefits I get.

Get a fucking job, hippie! :sneaky:

[Zukunftsmusik]

your parents are proletariat. In marxist terms there aren't such things as "middle class", except petit-bourgeois, but that's also decided from relations to means of production, not income.

But I'm under the impression that students aren't a part of the class relations? However, most students are future proletarians.

[Angry Young and Red]

Lumpen. We are all Lumpen.



Get a fucking job, hippie! :sneaky:

Haha, trying like hell to get one this summer. No good results yet though. And how dare you insult me by using the H-word?! :cursing:

Anyhow, I know of course that I'm a prole as my family doesn't own any means of productions, but I was wondering about what term is the precise one if we want to get down to details... "Privileged workers" perhaps, as my parents has mostly been working as journalists and/or teachers...

That's another thing.. Is there any actual difference between the Privileged workers and the petit-bourgeoisie, or are they the same? And where exactly is the line drawn between the petit-bourgeoisie and the rest of the proletarians?

[Ostrinski]

It is possible not to belong to any class, if you have no relationship to the means of production.

[Railyon]

And how dare you insult me by using the H-word?! :cursing:
To me it is a compliment actually... commies hate the word so much that I love it again



Anyhow, I know of course that I'm a prole as my family doesn't own any means of productions, but I was wondering about what term is the precise one if we want to get down to details... "Privileged workers" perhaps, as my parents has mostly been working as journalists and/or teachers...

That's another thing.. Is there any actual difference between the Privileged workers and the petit-bourgeoisie, or are they the same? And where exactly is the line drawn between the petit-bourgeoisie and the rest of the proletarians?
Privileged in the sense that they are managers and professionals?

Well, they're not petit bourgie as they don't own the MoP, but they have a different relation to them compared to your average prole. They don't own, but they call the shots in the owner's name, acting in the interest of capital all the same (lest they also want to get the boot...)

[dodger]

Haha, trying like hell to get one this summer. No good results yet though. And how dare you insult me by using the H-word?! :cursing:

Anyhow, I know of course that I'm a prole as my family doesn't own any means of productions, but I was wondering about what term is the precise one if we want to get down to details... "Privileged workers" perhaps, as my parents has mostly been working as journalists and/or teachers...

That's another thing.. Is there any actual difference between the Privileged workers and the petit-bourgeoisie, or are they the same? And where exactly is the line drawn between the petit-bourgeoisie and the rest of the proletarians?

WORKING CLASS--Working CLASS--working class--working class and working class.