More about the Chechens

[NorwegianCommunist]

SOVIET DEPORTATIONS
Stalin deported about a dozen entire nationalities from western regions of the USSR to Central Asia between 1941 and 1944
He accused most of these 1.4 million people of collaboration with the invading Nazi army
About 387,000 Chechens and 91,000 Ingush were deported on 23 February 1944 and the next few days
The deportations were a taboo subject until Stalin's successor, Nikita Khrushchev, condemned them in 1956
Chechen and Ingush survivors were allowed to return home in 1957
Their exile left deep scars which helped fuel separatism in the 1990s


Stalin deported about a dozen entire nationalities from western regions of the USSR to Central Asia between 1941 and 1944.
He accused most of these 1.4 million people of collaboration with the invading Nazi army.
About 387,000 Chechens and 91,000 Ingush were deported on 23 February 1944 and the next few days.
The deportations were a taboo subject until Stalin's successor, Nikita Khrushchev, condemned them in 1956.
Chechen and Ingush survivors were allowed to return home in 1957
Their exile left deep scars which helped fuel separatism in the 1990s.
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3509933.stm)

Is there any facts today wether or not the Chechens did collaborate with the Nazi army.
Or does anybody have some information on why he deported so many nationalities?

[Geiseric]

How can an entire nationality collaborate with Nazis? Wouldn't the Nazis just of killed them along with everybody else? I mean they're really racist...

[Blanquist]

Stalin deported them because he hated them as a race. It has to do with his life-long prejudice. He was from a place that despised Chechens, it left its mark on him, like the small-pox on his sick twisted face.

[ForgedConscience]

^^ Agreed Syd.

Infact, I had a Stalinist Russian friend who was complaining a couple of months back about the Chechen terrorist attacks which keep taking place. He didn't really stop to think exactly why they were so fucking angry :rolleyes:

[Nox]

Stalin deported them because he hated them as a race. It has to do with his life-long prejudice. He was from a place that despised Chechens, it left its mark on him, like the small-pox on his sick twisted face.

Stalin was Georgian, Georgians and Chechens have never had any major fall-outs, in fact they have gotten along relatively well.

There is a theory that Stalin was actually Ossetian and his real name was Dzugayev which he then changed to Dzhugashvili which could explain his hatred of the Chechens, but again I don't think Ossetians and Chechens have ever hated each other enough for Stalin to want to ethnically cleanse them.

Conclusion: It was just a product of Stalin's paranoia

[dodger]

Stalin was Georgian, Georgians and Chechens have never had any major fall-outs, in fact they have gotten along relatively well.

There is a theory that Stalin was actually Ossetian and his real name was Dzugayev which he then changed to Dzhugashvili which could explain his hatred of the Chechens, but again I don't think Ossetians and Chechens have ever hated each other enough for Stalin to want to ethnically cleanse them.

Conclusion: It was just a product of Stalin's paranoia

Nox --the theory is noted. Dodger is speechless. Hardly surprising ,as I lack your formal education. Now you have started to make me paranoid. Which begs the question dear Nox "Has your hatred of Stalin made you paranoid?" or "Has your paranoia over Stalin made you hate?"

Conclusion.........all starting to make perfect sense!!!

[NorwegianCommunist]

I still would not call Stalin himself a rascist, because people from chechenya aren't exactly a different rase.
Wondering why he sent away almost 400 thousands of chechens ;o

[Nox]

I still would not call Stalin himself a rascist, because people from chechenya aren't exactly a different rase.
Wondering why he sent away almost 400 thousands of chechens ;o

Actually they are. Chechens are from a different race to Russians and Ossetians (Stalin may have been Ossetian and he worked for Russian imperial interests mainly)

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

(Stalin may have been Ossetian and he worked for Russian imperial interests mainly)

WOW, another ultra-leftist conspiracy theory. This one is fresh and completely . . . fucking stupid. Do you guys have any proof? No, but the real funny thing is that you guys criticize us Marxist-Leninists for refusing to trust the bourgeois imperialist media and call us conspiracy theorists for it, yet, what is this shit? Some of you guys are crazy. Stalin was from Georgia, end of story, no discussion. I have never read anything about Stalin from the people who actually knew him suggesting such bullshit.

[Khalid]

BBC NEWS :rolleyes:

It's totally not cool to deport and punish people collectively but there was not much options. This article has some very good points:


In the case of the Chechen-Ingush and the Crimean Tatars, collaboration with the Nazis was massive, involving most of the population. To try to isolate and punish “only the guilty” would have been to split the nation up. This would probably have destroyed the nation and there would have been very few young men for the young women to marry. Instead, the national group was kept together, and their population grew. http://www.geotimes.ge/index.php?m=home&newsid=23107

[Nox]

WOW, another ultra-leftist conspiracy theory. This one is fresh and completely . . . fucking stupid. Do you guys have any proof? No, but the real funny thing is that you guys criticize us Marxist-Leninists for refusing to trust the bourgeois imperialist media and call us conspiracy theorists for it, yet, what is this shit? Some of you guys are crazy. Stalin was from Georgia, end of story, no discussion. I have never read anything about Stalin from the people who actually knew him suggesting such bullshit.

Hence why I said theory. I also never said that I agree with the theory - because I don't. I just shared it with you because it explains why Stalin may have hated the Chechens.

[Omsk]

Too bad Stalin didn't "hate" the Chechens,or any other specific nationality of the USSR. The actions of the Vanguard party of the proletariat and the Politburo were not based on personal opinions or 'feelings'.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Hence why I said theory. I also never said that I agree with the theory - because I don't. I just shared it with you because it explains why Stalin may have hated the Chechens.

He didn't hate the Chechens. If you really think that he did "bad things" to them because he hated them, then I guess he also hated his fellow Georgians because he advocated tough action against Menshevik Georgia and also kept a very close eye on Georgians during WWII. He didn't hate any race or ethnicity.

[Nox]

He didn't hate the Chechens. If you really think that he did "bad things" to them because he hated them, then I guess he also hated his fellow Georgians because he advocated tough action against Menshevik Georgia and also kept a very close eye on Georgians during WWII. He didn't hate any race or ethnicity.

That's where the theory about him being Ossetian comes in to play, that's why I said it. I do not agree with the theory at all, I'm just saying it's a theory that provides an explanation.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

That's where the theory about him being Ossetian comes in to play, that's why I said it. I do not agree with the theory at all, I'm just saying it's a theory that provides an explanation.

Sorry, I was not trying to attack you specifically. I know you are not that crazy. :p

Also, to everyone else; you guys do know that Stalin had a daughter, right? Her name was Svetlana Alliluyeva and she wrote a book about him (not only about him, but a good chunk of it is about him) in the sixties. In Twenty Letters to a Friend, she talked about her father, but she never once said in that book that he was anything but Georgian. She hated her father's legacy, so, hypothetically, she should have easily been able to make one of his biggest secrets public without feeling guilty about it, but she did not say anything even remotely similar to what you guys are saying. He was not Ossetian; he was Georgian.

Talking about Stalin's daughter, I found this really cool picture of her with her benevolent father:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Joseph_Stalin_with_daughter_Svetlana%2C_1935.jpg

[Rooster]

It's totally not cool to deport and punish people collectively but there was not much options.

What kind of crazy logic is this?

[Khalid]

What kind of crazy logic is this?

It's called not being a liberal.

[Blanquist]

Stalin should have deported everyone not in the politburo, then the USSR would still exist and they would have socialism.

[Rooster]

It's called not being a liberal.

So you're advocating punishing someone based just on their ethnicity?