"uncool" music that you like

[ed miliband]

obv we can't all be paragons of musical taste like i am, but even i battle with "uncool" tastes. i'm not ashamed tho, which makes this slightly different from yr usual "guilty pleasure" threads

fleetwood mac - actually got into them when there was a "hipster" revival of their music via people like ariel pink's haunted graffiti. they're proper amazing tho - in particular 'tusk' and 'rumours' (the former album even has a following amongst the noise crowed which makes me think everyone loves the mac)


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(fucking mental drums on this track)

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grateful dead - i ain't no deadhead (aha apple autocorrect actually recognises that term) but yah, the dead wrote some good shit (feel like hippie scum sayin that):

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i'll think of some other stuff

[Bostana]

So catchy and stupid:
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[Railyon]

Fleetwood Mac and Grateful Dead "uncool"? I feel so hipster right now...

I listen to My Chemical Romance and Marilyn Manson, that uncool enough? :cool:

[ed miliband]

shit son idk what to say

[Os Cangaceiros]

Liking the Grateful Dead was definitely not uncool where I come from. I like the Grateful Dead, too, though. A lot, actually...Workingman's Dead is probably one of my favorite albums of all time. I like their album American Beauty quite a bit, too. Don't really like a lot of their more self-indulgent jam sessions/live sets, though. It's a shame that Garcia had to ride the white horse as much as he did though, he was a good musician IMO

Anyway, I listen to/like a lot of insipid pop music. Like, top 40 songs and such.

[Art Vandelay]

The grateful dead are one of those things you either hate or love. Garcia was undeniably a talent on guitar though. As for uncool music I am not sure...my favorite band is sublime, but I also listen to a lot of punk. Other than pop music I do not think there is a style of music I do not like.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

I listen to My Chemical Romance and Marilyn Manson, that uncool enough? :cool:
My 12 y/o self would've been proud of you.

[teflon_john]

my favorite band is sublime





you win!

[Ostrinski]

Fleetwood Mac and Grateful Dead "uncool"? I feel so hipster right now...

I listen to My Chemical Romance and Marilyn Manson, that uncool enough? :cool:Shit, why'd you have to do this bro? It's supposed to be uncool in an ironic way, "go big or go home" doesn't necessarily apply here :lol:

[Ostrinski]

For me idk. Is thrash uncool yet?

[Os Cangaceiros]

I actually like a lot of crappy nu-metal type music:

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That's my shitty contribution! Although I don't care what people say of Disturbed as a band, everytime I hear "Down with the Sickness" I can't help but smile.

[Bronco]

90's boy band shit

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

I'm a big fan of jodeling and while I think it's cool, I realize it's probably not.

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I'm also pretty good at it.

I win

[Ostrinski]

Is Deftones uncool? If so then there's mine.

[Railyon]

I was only half joking there. "The Black Parade" is not that bad and I quite like Manson's "Mechanical Animals" and especially "Holy Wood".

Here's something "uncool" I like (which is more like what my taste in music is actually like lol):
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and

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Of course uncool is entirely subjective but it's not hip with my peeps exactly

[Art Vandelay]

you win!

Wicked, I never win at anything.:crying:

[ed miliband]

I was only half joking there. "The Black Parade" is not that bad and I quite like Manson's "Mechanical Animals" and especially "Holy Wood".

Here's something "uncool" I like (which is more like what my taste in music is actually like lol):
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and

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Of course uncool is entirely subjective but it's not hip with my peeps exactly

shit son obscure psych stuff ain't uncool!

[Os Cangaceiros]

With regards to Marilyn Manson, I like a few of his songs as well.

[Metacomet]

Ricky Martin

[#FF0000]

idk is jethro tull uncool?

i like jethro tull a bunch

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[Os Cangaceiros]

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^I like that song in a non-ironic way hahaha. Although supposedly it holds the world record in the category of "song most karaoked", so I don't know...:lol:

[brigadista]

stephen sondheim...

[Luc]

what qualifies as "uncool" I'm sorta confused :confused:

Marilyn Manson is great (as far as I know) idk wtf y'all are talking about :sleep:

[Art Vandelay]

what qualifies as "uncool" I'm sorta confused :confused:

I am officially the authority on "cool," so direct your questions to me.

[gorillafuck]

the Grateful Dead aren't considered "uncool" at all where I live. they're very popular.

[Luc]

I am officially the authority on "cool," so direct your questions to me.

what is uncool relative to itt?:confused:

[Leonid Brozhnev]

Coheed & Cambria... have no idea if they're 'uncool', but I used to hear people hating on them all the time. They don't exactly fit with what I usually listen to but I enjoy them nonetheless.

[Art Vandelay]

what is uncool relative to itt?:confused:

Anything I do not like.

[the last donut of the night]

aw fuck what people think is cool or not but i def. dig MIA's bad girls

[Luc]

aw fuck what people think is cool or not but i def. dig MIA's bad girls

Anyone else think this said Marxist Internet Archive's Bad Girls? :blushing:

I gotta get a life :glare:

ontopic,

eisbrecher, Ooomph! etc.

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and of course Marilyn Manson :D my fav song :D

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[seventeethdecember2016]

Well I don't listen to any 'uncool' music, so I'm at a conflict here. Ah!! I will just list my three favorite songs!

1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky
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Requiem by Mozart
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Turkish March by Mozart
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I will have you kids know that this music was the hip-hop of its day! By the way, Tchaikovsky and Mozart cannot be matched with that riffraff you people call music!

[#FF0000]

aw fuck what people think is cool or not but i def. dig MIA's bad girls

I love MIA

[Ostrinski]

Coheed & Cambria... have no idea if they're 'uncool', but I used to hear people hating on them all the time. They don't exactly fit with what I usually listen to but I enjoy them nonetheless.I listen to C&C and I'm pretty much a bastion of supreme music taste so

[o well this is ok I guess]

I listen to C&H and I'm pretty much a bastion of supreme music taste so No such thing as untarnished cred, bro.

[black magick hustla]

i sitll have a soft spot for dream theater and some really bad cheese metal

[Ostrinski]

I like DT and will say so in a court of law

[NewLeft]

I know its not cool to like santigold, but I rediscovered her album and I can't stop repeating it now.

[#FF0000]

I know its not cool to like santigold

Since when?

[o well this is ok I guess]

I guess the worst thing I do is unironically listen to ITAOTS.

[Rusty Shackleford]

everything i like is cool.

[Ostrinski]

I guess the worst thing I do is unironically listen to ITAOTS.That is one of the best things you could do as a human being.

[#FF0000]

I guess the worst thing I do is unironically listen to ITAOTS.

that is great though (i liked avery island better i think!)

[Tenka]

everything i like is cool.

Me too.

Except this band:
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Their lyrics were always reactionary and dull shit, and their new stuff is too uncool for me to listen to.

edit: remembered something, added spoiler tags.

[Ostrinski]

I love Dir En Grey, especially the record they released last August. Man, I must really not be that cool.

[Red Rabbit]

I get a lot of shit for liking Skrillex. Does that count?

[A Revolutionary Tool]

What's uncool is I have no idea who the Grateful Dead are.

I'll admit that I like some Kid Rock songs:
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I know, I'm so reactionary, what can I say?

[Ostrinski]

What's uncool is I have no idea who the Grateful Dead are.http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRsPP0S7vOc-gRZ1arh2E2kI4EKnU8Eq9BmQTEwmcVmpJ4e0gOX

[Rusty Shackleford]

What's uncool is I have no idea who the Grateful Dead are.




and you live in california? WHAT? :lol:

[#FF0000]

I get a lot of shit for liking Skrillex. Does that count?

I'd say so, yes. I have heard Skrillex described as "the Nickelback of dubstep".

[Ocean Seal]

Nightcore, yep. I'm not proud of it either.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

I suppose there are a few one could deem as being uncool on my em pee free playah...chiefly it would be Bat Out of Hell (1979) and OST Transformers: The Movie (1986)..both are instant audio joygasms :)

[Railyon]

shit son obscure psych stuff ain't uncool!
Depends on who you ask... people I know are all like, wtf are you listening to there?


Their lyrics were always reactionary and dull shit, and their new stuff is too uncool for me to listen to.
I get the vibe that a lot of Japanese bands either have their heads in the clouds or are reactionary (well, escapism is reactionary too innit...), which kinda surprises me and at the same time not so much... and then there are the crusties lol.

[Fawkes]

It's been years since I've heard a top 40 song I didn't like.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

and you live in california? WHAT? :lol:
Yeah. Maybe I've heard some of their songs but I really have no idea. When it comes to music I'm like a recluse. I have no idea about so much of the stuff that comes out nowadays, I don't really put much effort into following music. Tell me a popular mainstream band right now and I'll have never heard of them probably, same with rappers.

[Landsharks eat metal]

I listen to My Chemical Romance and Marilyn Manson, that uncool enough? :cool:
I fucking love My Chemical Romance and feel no shame for it :D
Especially Danger Days...

[BE_]

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Céline Dion motherfuckers!

[kashkin]

Never Gonna Give You Up-Rick Astley
The entire soundtrack of Macross Frontier by Yoko Kanno
And Promise by Kohmi Hirose

[Railyon]

Never Gonna Give You Up-Rick Astley

I made my band take it into our setlist... I'm that uncool

But actually, instant rickrolling whenever you feel like it.

[fabian]

How bout thrash, speed, and death metal, also jungle and first & second wave ska. Not so popular genres of music as far as I know..

[NoOneIsIllegal]

christian metalcore, or metalcore in general


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[fabian]

Never metalcore, only NWAHM.

[Ostrinski]

Fuck that, metalcore is great

[gorillafuck]

is primus uncool to like?

[fabian]

LoG > BfMV, 5FDP, KE and anything similar.

[Railyon]

is primus uncool to like?
Primus sucks.

Also

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[Princess Luna]

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[#FF0000]

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How did I ever forget Iced Earth?

[Left Leanings]

I don't know about Fleetwood Mac being uncool. When I turned 21, my next door neighbour bought me their greatest hits. At first I thought wtf thanks a lot. But I like them now. Especially this:

Everywhere

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvAd6c3xHzU

The Beloved, Sweet harmony.

It's as sweet as treacle syrup. But I like it :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-41xQ8ki1Y

I got this on an Eighties compiltion CD. Just to be clear, I don't have an Amazulu CD lol. But I still love this song:

Amazulu, Too Good To Be Forgotten

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtqY-hQf6c4

[Invader Zim]

All the uncool music I like suddenly became coom again without my knowing. Like all the old post-punk bands, such as the Chameleons and the Comsat Angels, from the 70s and 80s that dropped of the radar only to be revived in recent years by modern indie bands. I.e. all those modern bands who try so desperately to sound like Joy Division, Wire and Magazine but never quite succeed.

[Ose]

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I win.

Also, I will strike down with great vengeance and furious anger anyone who calls Fleetwood Mac uncool.

[Ostrinski]

I think people are confusing uncool with not good. Fleetwood Mac and Dream Theater make good music but aren't considered cool by any popular social group.

[BE_]

I guess uncool may not be the right word for it, but I think ironic might. I am a definite atheist who likes to listen to gospel bluegrass and gospel folk songs.

[Ele'ill]

korn

[gorillafuck]

All the uncool music I like suddenly became coom again without my knowing. Like all the old post-punk bands, such as the Chameleons and the Comsat Angels, from the 70s and 80s that dropped of the radar only to be revived in recent years by modern indie bands. I.e. all those modern bands who try so desperately to sound like Joy Division, Wire and Magazine but never quite succeed.which is funny because, while Joy Division have an awesome really original sound, it's not very complex at all. but somehow all the bands that try to sounds like them just sound like pop bands.

[Conscript]

I like gabber & happy hardcore

[Fawkes]

I like gabber & happy hardcore

fuck anyone who says gabber and happy hardcore are uncool

[gorillafuck]

what's happy hardcore?

[Fawkes]

I actually don't listen to happycore too much really, but it's always good when you need something to just make you smile and dance


If you wanna get technical, this is more hardstyle than happycoreYWbz6MXoAto

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[gorillafuck]

oh it's a type of electronic music. okay, that makes sense I guess.

rave music written in major keys, basically?

[MustCrushCapitalism]

I listen to My Chemical Romance and Marilyn Manson, that uncool enough? :cool:
What about Nine Inch Nails? Emos of the world unite! :p

Does Frank Turner count as uncool?

[Fawkes]

oh it's a type of electronic music. okay, that makes sense I guess.

rave music written in major keys, basically?

Throw in some autotuned, pitched-up vocals and set your tempo around 170 and you're golden


I actually only really like it when listened to very sparingly, too rhythmically bland for me to fully get into

[Conscript]

Some people can't stand the 4 beat, I love the shit. All those drum samples at a fast tempo...oh god. Even just the hi hat makes me wanna cream myself :D

It's easier to imagine if you think of a sped up, more intense, and happier/crazier house. Too bad it mostly died by the end of the 90s :(

It's pretty much the stuff you want to hear on something like MDMA.

[coda]

It's creeped out that anyone would mention the Grateful Dead, Fleetwood Mac and Jethro Tull as "uncool"... What then is the baseline "cool"? You probably don't realize that They're all pioneers of modern Rock music from which all the successors and imitators have sipped at the bowl from...

Early Fleetwood Mac with Peter Green are a great pure-base Blues band. The second lineup with Buckingham---one of the rare amazing virtuoso guitar fingerpickers. (He doesn't play guitar with a pic.)

Pete Green
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSutFqtkHTs

Lindsey Buckingham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxfxcEH8_Co

[dodger]

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This song is probably the reason they invented Rock'n Roll !

[Jimmie Higgins]

It's creeped out that anyone would mention the Grateful Dead, Fleetwood Mac and Jethro Tull as "uncool"... What then is the baseline "cool"? You probably don't realize that They're all pioneers of modern Rock music from which all the successors and imitators have sipped at the bowl from...

Early Fleetwood Mac with Peter Green are a great pure-base Blues band. The second lineup with Buckingham---one of the rare amazing virtuoso guitar fingerpickers. (He doesn't play guitar with a pic.)

Pete Green
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSutFqtkHTs

Lindsey Buckingham
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxfxcEH8_Co

Sorry, for me these bands at one time would have been the epitome of crap in "classic rock". As well as any band which might have this in a description of their music: "virtuoso guitar".

But those are my old punk rock prejudices. Beatles, Yardbirds, Little Richard, Stones, Dylan, James Brown, are all OK but no Tull, Dead, Byrds, and ESPECIALLY no Pink fuckin' Floyd. I want my hippie music done by people on Speed and Acid, not Quaaludes.

And with Blues, anything past Bo Diddly is most-likely uncool crap as well. Blues went to Chicago and began grinding, rocking and rolling and that was the apex - then some marketing people split the rhythm from the blues and the Chicago style went from grungy dirty industrial lovemaking music to a long sad moaning guitar.

[rednordman]

Speedcore metal gabber and oldskool TERRRROOOOOOOORRRRR!:D

[coda]

<<Sorry, for me these bands at one time would have been the epitome of crap in "classic rock". As well as any band which might have this in a description of their music: "virtuoso guitar".But those are my old punk rock prejudices. Beatles, Yardbirds, Little Richard, Stones, Dylan, James Brown, are all OK but no Tull, Dead, Byrds, and ESPECIALLY no Pink fuckin' Floyd. I want my hippie music done by people on Speed and Acid, not Quaaludes.And with Blues, anything past Bo Diddly is most-likely uncool crap as well. Blues went to Chicago and began grinding, rocking and rolling and that was the apex - then some marketing people split the rhythm from the blues and the Chicago style went from grungy dirty industrial lovemaking music to a long sad moaning guitar>>

The Dead did play music on Acid-- back when acid was Acid and music was Music.

No doubt that music is a matter of individual taste, with lots of room for criticism. I'm old enough and lucky enough to have heard the last four decades worth of popular music of the time, (not counting back catalogues of what came before me and hundreds of live performances). Still, none of those bands would have crossed the threshold of my brain as "uncool" -- what with all the manufactured, banal uninspired complete and utter garbage of the last decade and a half. I seriously mourn the state of current music-- both in the way of it's canned production, flippant consumption and vapid appreciation.

[Fawkes]

The Dead did play music on Acid-- back when acid was Acid and music was Music.

No doubt that music is a matter of individual taste, with lots of room for criticism. I'm old enough and lucky enough to have heard the last four decades worth of popular music of the time, (not counting back catalogues of what came before me and hundreds of live performances). Still, none of those bands would have crossed the threshold of my brain as "uncool" -- what with all the manufactured, banal uninspired complete and utter garbage of the last decade and a half. I seriously mourn the state of current music-- both in the way of it's canned production, flippant consumption and vapid appreciation.

There are few things that annoy me more than romanticization of the past. How is Justin Bieber any more manufactured than the Rolling Stones whose manager had Ian Stewart kicked out of the band because he didn't have the right image? And "uninspired"? You mean like all those white boy blues bands that copped every Muddy Waters riff they could get their fingers around? Or Led Zeppelin and the Stones as just two examples of bands that blatantly copied both lyrics and progressions from black blues musicians without giving them any credit whatsoever? What's the difference between Bieber Fever and Beatlemania?

Every decade is full of lots of great music and loads of absolute shit, the only reason the past is looked at differently from the present is that:

1. We romanticize certain artists without recognizing the context

2. We only remember a select few artists


Current music is just as amazing and inventive as it always was, it's just a matter of turning off the radio and finding stuff through other means.

If anything, musicians now are living in far more advantageous circumstances than those of past decades. Whereas Leadbelly had to wait for Alan Lomax to pop up on his doorstep in order for his music to be heard by a larger audience, modern musicians can record and distribute their own music for incredibly cheap.

easy access to distribution = easy access to a broad range of music = more diverse and inventive music being produced


And "music was Music"? Come on, please don't tell me you're one of those "if it doesn't have guitar, it's not music" type d-bags

[coda]

Blasphemy against Led Zeppelin..You obviously know little and read little about the band or you would know that Jimmy Page and Robert Plant have both acknowledged their debt to Mississippi delta blues.. both Sonny Boy Williamson and Willie Dixon among many many others.. if they didn't credit them outright it's because they were traditional blues riff uncopyrighted and in the public domain that all Bluesmen borrowed from--- much like traditional Folk tunes.

Secondly, if you can't tell the difference between Beiber's contribution and the 50 year output of the Stones then you obviously lack musical perspective, of which I am sure of. The problem with the 2000 decade, is that it's dominant music was plucked from the sources as the "Mickey Mouse Club" (Brittney, Christina and Justin Timberlake), manufactured Boy Bands, tv music contests-- American Idol.. and other tv kid shows...all groomed to become mega moguls with clothing and perfume lines, films and tv hosting duties, hawking cars and all kinds of products and ad placements. It's not about music at all, but corporate sponsorship and everything that use to signify "selling out".. (and still does in some circles).... That's uncool non-music.. point to that!

[Fawkes]

Blasphemy against Led Zeppelin..You obviously know little and read little about the band or you would know that Jimmy Page and Robert Plant have both acknowledged their debt to Mississippi delta blues.. both Sonny Boy Williamson and Willie Dixon among many many others.. if they didn't credit them outright it's because they were traditional blues riff uncopyrighted and in the public domain that all Bluesmen borrowed from--- much like traditional Folk tunes.


haha, blasphemy :lol:

Zeppelin took a bunch of riffs and lyrics and re-used them, something that in and of itself is fine, but they then went on to get filthy rich off of it and achieve massive levels of recognition and still refused to credit previous musicians, even in cases like Dazed and Confused where the song is a direct ripoff.



Secondly, if you can't tell the difference between Beiber's contribution and the 50 year output of the Stones then you obviously lack musical perspective, of which I am sure of.
Um, context buddy. Justin Bieber's been around for 2 years, so how about we look at the first 2 years of the Stones's existence:
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I think that kind of speaks for itself


The problem with the 2000 decade, is that it's dominant music was plucked from the sources as the "Mickey Mouse Club" (Brittney, Christina and Justin Timberlake), manufactured Boy Bands, tv music contests-- American Idol.. and other tv kid shows
As opposed to the 1960s where the dominant musicians were picked out, groomed, and largely constructed by record company A&Rs? Manufactured boy bands? Oh, you mean like The Monkees? Of the Mickey Mouse club members, only the three you listed are the ones that anyone remembers, not too many when placed in the context of a decade's worth of popular music.

Which season of American Idol was Justin Bieber on? What about Lady Gaga? Beyonce? Adele? Lil Wayne? Rihanna? Nicki Minaj? Eminem? The White Stripes?


all groomed to become mega moguls with clothing and perfume lines, films and tv hosting duties, hawking cars and all kinds of products and ad placements. It's not about music at all, but corporate sponsorship and everything that use to signify "selling out".. (and still does in some circles)....
For how many of the musicians I just listed is that the case?



edit: And for what it's worth, I like a lot of stuff by the Dead, Stones, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, etc. A lot of those bands produced some pretty great music, but it's total bullshit to suggest that they as a whole were somehow more legit than contemporary pop musicians (and yes, that is exactly what most classic rock bands were: pop)

[gorillafuck]

speaking of Led Zeppelin and modern music, John Paul Jones is pretty active in modern music with younger musicians.

[Invader Zim]

Um, context buddy. Justin Bieber's been around for 2 years, so how about we look at the first 2 years of the Stones's existence:
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Yes; let. They released an album that got to number 1 in the UK charts and stayed in the charts for 51 weeks in the UK. Their second album got to number 1 and stayed in the charts for 37 weeks in the UK. Justin Bieber released an album that got to number 3, his second got to 18 and sold about 3 times less than the first album, and both stayed in the UK charts for about 5 minutes.

The rolling stones then proceeded to go on to sell half a billion records. I somehow doublt that Justin Bieber will match that achievement.

[Dr Doom]

yea but justin biebers 'baby' video has 730 million views on youtube so suck that bro.

[Fawkes]

Yes; let. They released an album that got to number 1 in the UK charts and stayed in the charts for 51 weeks in the UK. Their second album got to number 1 and stayed in the charts for 37 weeks in the UK. Justin Bieber released an album that got to number 3, his second got to 18 and sold about 3 times less than the first album, and both stayed in the UK charts for about 5 minutes.

The rolling stones then proceeded to go on to sell half a billion records. I somehow doublt that Justin Bieber will match that achievement.

Again, look at the context. How do most people acquire music now? The internet. Between youtube, last.fm, torrenting/filesharing, it's incredibly easy to access music now without actually buying anything. UK Album Charts base their numbers off of amount of music purchased. In 1964, unless you wanted to wait for a radio DJ to play your favorite song, you had to buy the record.

[Rocky Rococo]

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[Rocky Rococo]

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[Jimmie Higgins]

Blasphemy against Led Zeppelin..You obviously know little and read little about the band or you would know that Jimmy Page and Robert Plant have both acknowledged their debt to Mississippi delta blues.. both Sonny Boy Williamson and Willie Dixon among many many others.. if they didn't credit them outright it's because they were traditional blues riff uncopyrighted and in the public domain that all Bluesmen borrowed from--- much like traditional Folk tunes.

Secondly, if you can't tell the difference between Beiber's contribution and the 50 year output of the Stones then you obviously lack musical perspective, of which I am sure of. The problem with the 2000 decade, is that it's dominant music was plucked from the sources as the "Mickey Mouse Club" (Brittney, Christina and Justin Timberlake), manufactured Boy Bands, tv music contests-- American Idol.. and other tv kid shows...all groomed to become mega moguls with clothing and perfume lines, films and tv hosting duties, hawking cars and all kinds of products and ad placements. It's not about music at all, but corporate sponsorship and everything that use to signify "selling out".. (and still does in some circles).... That's uncool non-music.. point to that!

I guess to take the middle ground, first I totally agree that "borrowing" in music shouldn't be seen as anything wrong or contrary to art in an idealist sense. All art has been and should be in dialogue with other art as well as the material world. The main deformation/fetter on music by capitalism isn't individual artists borrowing from other artists, it's the comodification of and private ownership of music or art or writing IMO. Blues, jazz, folk, rock, hip-hop MCing and DJing are all based on an organic artistic call and response. Most Woodie Guthrie songs came from folk music Christian melodies, Shakespeare (if he existed as one individual) took all his plots from other English plays and Italian plays, blues techniques were stolen from Gospel, R&B and Rock then stole from blues innovations, every Renaissance painter began as an apprentice making exact imitations of other people's work.

Originality in capitalist art is fetishized and creates barriers to artistic exploration and development. So in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with Led Zephlin taking blues riffs and reworking them into something else, nothing wrong with hip-hop lyricists taking someone else's refrain and tweaking it or a DJ juxtaposing different loops and sound clips to create something new that speaks to a tradition that came before. If people couldn't copy Bo Diddly rhythms, then post-war pop music would have sucked. Copyrights have slowed innovation in sampling and turntableism to the point that wealth and established artists only take one sample and loop it for cost efficiency and up-and-comers have to do free mix-tapes or go in a different musical direction.

But, on the other hand, I think sometimes manufactured music can result in some genuinely interesting things. While most of Hollywood or Brill-style music no doubt is disposable and vapid, the concentration of musical resources (or film-making) and skills did result in some amazing things. Motown was consciously making "pre-fab" music and bands and yet some of that is really amazing and classic pop-music. I think there are often romantic ideas of the lone songwriter living like a bard, but Woodie, Dylan, etc were all engaged in a social process, looking back at the collective techniques developed by blues and folk and country musicians as well as collaborating with individual contemporary artists they liked. Capitalism in the more managed pop culture production kind of recreates this socialized artistic creation but through the concentration of skills and creating a division of labor for the collective process.

[Fawkes]

I guess to take the middle ground, first I totally agree that "borrowing" in music shouldn't be seen as anything wrong or contrary to art in an idealist sense. All art has been and should be in dialogue with other art as well as the material world. The main deformation/fetter on music by capitalism isn't individual artists borrowing from other artists, it's the comodification of and private ownership of music or art or writing IMO. Blues, jazz, folk, rock, hip-hop MCing and DJing are all based on an organic artistic call and response. Most Woodie Guthrie songs came from folk music Christian melodies, Shakespeare (if he existed as one individual) took all his plots from other English plays and Italian plays, blues techniques were stolen from Gospel, R&B and Rock then stole from blues innovations, every Renaissance painter began as an apprentice making exact imitations of other people's work.

Originality in capitalist art is fetishized and creates barriers to artistic exploration and development. So in my opinion, there's nothing wrong with Led Zephlin taking blues riffs and reworking them into something else, nothing wrong with hip-hop lyricists taking someone else's refrain and tweaking it or a DJ juxtaposing different loops and sound clips to create something new that speaks to a tradition that came before. If people couldn't copy Bo Diddly rhythms, then post-war pop music would have sucked. Copyrights have slowed innovation in sampling and turntableism to the point that wealth and established artists only take one sample and loop it for cost efficiency and up-and-comers have to do free mix-tapes or go in a different musical direction.


I never suggested that using elements of previous work was objectionable at all. I'm a producer and my music relies heavily on sampling. What I do hate is when artists sample or rework previous songs without giving their predecessors any credit. Also, my comment about "white boy blues bands" taking Muddy Waters riffs was not meant as an attack against the practice of doing such a thing, but was a reference to the unoriginality and blandness of many of those bands.

[SHORAS]

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[marl]

J-core


ARsaE4je-lc



I actually don't listen to happycore too much really, but it's always good when you need something to just make you smile and dance


I fucking love happycore.

[Hermes]

I don't know if it's still unpopular, it seems to be making a bit of a resurgence, but I love classical music. Also bebop, swing, oldies, country, folk, etc.

Mondestrucken, by Schoenberg

UV-GoWf2Yfw

[coda]

<<But, on the other hand, I think sometimes manufactured music can result in some genuinely interesting things. While most of Hollywood or Brill-style music no doubt is disposable and vapid, the concentration of musical resources (or film-making) and skills did result in some amazing things. Motown was consciously making "pre-fab" music and bands and yet some of that is really amazing and classic pop-music. I think there are often romantic ideas of the lone songwriter living like a bard, but Woodie, Dylan, etc were all engaged in a social process, looking back at the collective techniques developed by blues and folk and country musicians as well as collaborating with individual contemporary artists they liked. Capitalism in the more managed pop culture production kind of recreates this socialized artistic creation but through the concentration of skills and creating a division of labor for the collective process. >>


JH... Do you mean film-making as in music videos or meaning soundtracks used in films or something else entirely?

<<<<<Capitalism in the more managed pop culture production kind of recreates this socialized artistic creation but through the concentration of skills and creating a division of labor for the collective process. >>>>

Yes, exactly. Only I don’t know how much of the manufactured is true artistic expression or just the soulless rote of contractual obligation--

the Motown groups on the other hand, already pre-existing groups made up of friends/ family prior to signing with label, weren’t picked from thin air or from a casting call as the manufactured groups are today. That symbiotic relationship and bonding over a particular love of music and the whole process of trying to create something together cannot be in no way manufactured-- not in a lab or studio or the $$ bank. (granted Barry Gordy controlled the careers, but that was as much due to monopoly and lack of competitive label options for black artists. Things had come a long way since then in an artist’s insistence upon creative control---- which unfortunately seems to be swiftly regressing backwards where industry executives hold artistic and management control as well as dictating the particular era’s music culture. Hopefully, this new decade will fare better than it's immediate predecessor.

Trivia Question: What’s the difference between manufactured bands and Milli Vanilli?

Answer: Auto-tune.

Fawkes, Hold on to your pants-- the verdict hasn't come in yet on whether 'Dazed and Confused' isn't a Led Zep composition. Jimmy Page began playing that with the Yardbirds whom he joined in 1966. :lol:

[NoOneIsIllegal]

Screamo ("skramz" if you will)
I'm currently 22, and been listening to it like a religion since I was 14. It's "uncool" because usually people stop digging it around 18* when they graduate high-school and put on grown-up pants.
I'LL FOREVER HAVE A HEART OF A 16-YEAR OLD. FIGHT ME.


* Besides Orchid, pg. 99, etc. A few bands will always remain "cool" to the older hardcore guys.

[Jimmie Higgins]

JH... Do you mean film-making as in music videos or meaning soundtracks used in films or something else entirely? I was going beyond pop-music, I meant Hollywood specifically. 90% of what was made in the Hollywood system was totally worthless crap, mabe 9.5% entertaining but not much else and then .5% actually worthwhile (maybe I'm being generous:lol:).


Yes, exactly. Only I don’t know how much of the manufactured is true artistic expression or just the soulless rote of contractual obligation--Well I think that's part of the contradiction of cultural production of this kind - pop-music specifically needs to connect to people - most of it can be sold through the distribution and advertising arrangements and then by being ubiquitous on our corporate controlled airwaves, but then if the industry relies on this too heavily, they begin to dilute their product to the point where it looses credibility as artistic (in the loose sense, not "high art") expression. The disco backlash, Punk's backlash against "arena rock", the counter-culture's rejection of bubblegum pop etc, are examples of this.

Since the use-value of music is this human connection that can't be added like some widget is added to a commodity on the production line, the industry tends to "buy" authenticity (or as it's called from the fan's perspective, selling-out). This concentrates professional and artisan skills like Hollywood imported theater writers and literary novelists from NYC in the 1930s or imported European directors at the start of WWII or Hollywood buying up all the smaller indie production companies that developed in the 80s and 90s. This concentration often frustrates the individual professional, but it sometimes does what it's supposed to a creates pop-songs that really speak to people or movies that move people.

I'm not advocating this, I just think it's contradictory.

[Fawkes]

Fawkes, Hold on to your pants-- the verdict hasn't come in yet on whether 'Dazed and Confused' isn't a Led Zep composition. Jimmy Page began playing that with the Yardbirds whom he joined in 1966. :lol:

...after hearing it played by Jake Holmes when he opened for them. If you're gonna try to pull the "I'm so witty and clever :lol::lol:" thing, it helps to know what you're talking about first

[Pretty Flaco]

everything i like is uncool and youve probably never heard of them

[coda]

<<..after hearing it played by Jake Holmes when he opened for them. If you're gonna try to pull the "I'm so witty and clever :lol::lol:" thing, it helps to know what you're talking about first>>

Really, witty and clever? i was trying hard to be considerate and respectful of differing musical tastes. And believe me, Fawkes, when I say I am holding back from taking your tiny insignificant first-hand knowledge of music experience and pulverizing it into the ground.

For someone who has a college music DJ gig and claims to play the Les Paul (the guitar most known and identified with Jimmy Page) you have basically Zero music history context or appreciation.

Automatically believing without proof, the claim of Jack Holmes coming out of nowhere 35 years after Led Zeppin recorded this widely known iconic song (what took Holmes soo long?) is way less believable or credible then the claim that Justin Beiber impregnated a girl backstage during 20 seconds of sex while he was traveling on tour with his mother... yeah, right!

Edited to say: the point is anyone can make claims of things.. and it doesn't necessarily make it true...

[smellincoffee]

Most of the music I listen to while on my walks (or jogs) is eighties pop. I enjoy most forms of music, though I don't like more dissonant genres like rap, heavy metal, and so on. I even listen to stuff like School House Rock. :lol:

[Invader Zim]

Again, look at the context. How do most people acquire music now? The internet. Between youtube, last.fm, torrenting/filesharing, it's incredibly easy to access music now without actually buying anything. UK Album Charts base their numbers off of amount of music purchased. In 1964, unless you wanted to wait for a radio DJ to play your favorite song, you had to buy the record.

True, but most people still do buy their music, be it from iTunes or whatever, primarily because its now so cheap and easy to do so. It costs what, a few quid, to buy an album. I remember when I first started buying albums, back before the days of broadband, it being an expensive affair.

That said I just looked up the top selling US albums over the last couple of decades, and with occassional blips like Adel last year, it seems to be in freefall. So what the hell do I know? Fuck all.

[coda]

Since I basically bashed a whole decade of music..without having stated what I think were the bright spots --- The Black Keys is one of the best things I've head in years--years!! also good is Kings of Leon, all the various Jack White projects, especially his stuff with Meg White, punk band Blackfire (Joey Ramone's very last project),The Strokes, the fast crash and burn of The Libertines, I haven't heard a lot from either Florence and the Machine or Mumford & Sons, which I think is both interesting..
So, there you have it...

Apologies to Fawkes for being a b/witch with hideous communication skills...and derailing the thread. still I think mechanical manufactured bands suck!! :)

Adios.. I'm outta this thread...

Continue on..

[Lev Bronsteinovich]

I really like the Kingston Trio, and the Original Cast Recordings of West Side Story and Kiss Me Kate.

[Quail]

I actually like William Shatner's cover of pulp's Common People. At first I thought it was terrible, but it really grew on me.
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[The Young Pioneer]

Ha, what a fun thread.

I still love Accept

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxCHeCDTrvk

and my friends laugh, but

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCBXfdn6HOM


:blushing:

[Fawkes]

Since I basically bashed a whole decade of music..without having stated what I think were the bright spots --- The Black Keys is one of the best things I've head in years--years!! also good is Kings of Leon, all the various Jack White projects, especially his stuff with Meg White, punk band Blackfire (Joey Ramone's very last project),The Strokes, the fast crash and burn of The Libertines, I haven't heard a lot from either Florence and the Machine or Mumford & Sons, which I think is both interesting..
So, there you have it...

Apologies to Fawkes for being a b/witch with hideous communication skills...and derailing the thread. still I think mechanical manufactured bands suck!! :)

Adios.. I'm outta this thread...

Continue on..

Yeah, my point was that those bright spots tend to be all that people remember when looking at past decades, hence the notion of "everything nowadays sucks, it was so much better then" because no one remembers the seas of shit that those bright spots emerged from. Anyway, yeah, I'm sorry too, this turned into way too big of a shitstorm (and I'm equally at fault), nothing personal meant.


Also, I'm not trying to continue an argument or get the last word, but, for what it's worth, Jake Holmes actually recorded and released "Dazed and Confused" in 1967 a few months before he opened for the Yardbirds.

[MotherCossack]

prepare to be horrified....
i like chariots of fire theme tune .. and blade runner

and....
carmina burana...........and
titanic song...'my heart will go on...'

and danny boy...and..... amazing grace

[Manic Impressive]

I was listening to Michael Jackson yesterday and a couple of weeks ago I was listening to the Eurythmics specifically this. Loved it when I was a little kid.
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[Luc]

OH MY GOD

I can not believe I forgot FOLK METAL

Midnatten Widunter
3RvAEfxqbLk

Kittelsdag

Full of hate
Priest becomes food
He is served on a plate
e2my6jM8Ifs

Under Bergets Rot
tEzuxkkGyWQ

Metsamies
MdgLR9RttZQ

[Brosa Luxemburg]

It's Raining Men.

Yeah, the song is fucking great. Did I stutter?

[Robespierres Neck]

I listen to a lot of classical music. That would probably be considered 'uncool' to today's standards.


And I like Lil B and Riff Raff....

[ed miliband]

I listen to a lot of classical music. That would probably be considered 'uncool' to today's standards.


And I like Lil B and Riff Raff....


lil b is cool

met him, for the second time, the other day. i love being able to say that.

but he has a weird following: mixture of hipsters and hip hoppers, and hip hop hipsters.

[Rusty Shackleford]

OH MY GOD

I can not believe I forgot FOLK METAL

Midnatten Widunter
3RvAEfxqbLk

Kittelsdag

e2my6jM8Ifs

Under Bergets Rot
tEzuxkkGyWQ

Metsamies
MdgLR9RttZQ
dude, folk metal is awesome.

[ed miliband]

and very uncool.

[Azraella]

Apparently my love of Aphrodite's Child (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=selfqEH-JnY) is uncool according to my students.

[Regicollis]

Eläkeläiset - polka covers of classic pop and rock songs with the lyrics changed to obscene Finnish nonsense.

Mrs. Robinson

F3OHdcxuVkY


Smells Like Teen Spirit
JhhF3qSxMjY

[L.A.P.]

I like Drake

[the Leftâ„¢]

I like GZA's solo work a lot, lot more than Wu-Tang clan. Theres me being uncool

[The Douche]

I like skrewdriver and most of Ian Stuart's solo stuff.

[Prometeo liberado]

I like skrewdriver and most of Ian Stuart's solo stuff.

Thispeaks VOLUMES.

I'm really into Jessie Baylin and Paul Banks right now. Don't even ask.

[The Douche]

Thispeaks VOLUMES.

I'm really into Jessie Baylin and Paul Banks right now. Don't even ask.

What, that I like shitty punk music and am into violence? I don't think thats news to anybody here.

[Prometeo liberado]

What, that I like shitty punk music and am into violence? I don't think thats news to anybody here.

No. That you didn't write Jessie Baylin. I knew you were ashamed.

[The Douche]

No. That you didn't write Jessie Baylin. I knew you were ashamed.

I dunno who that is, heading to youtube I guess.

[The Douche]

I dunno who that is, heading to youtube I guess.

I listened to "was I on your mind", didn't find it catchy or anything.:confused:

[Ostrinski]

I like GZA's solo work a lot, lot more than Wu-Tang clan. Theres me being uncoolIdk, Liquid Swords is up there with 36 Chambers for me, probably in top 5 hip hop albums.

edit: Man I've said that about like 15 albums now. I need to sort this shit out

[Prometeo liberado]

I listened to "was I on your mind", didn't find it catchy or anything.:confused:

I knew you'd dig it. Try "Hurry,Hurry". Don't be ashamed.:thumbup1:

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Oh fuck man, tonnes, I love all kinds of music but I'm sure 90% is considered 'uncool' somewhere by someone.

Meat Loaf, MCR, The Transformers: The Move soundtrack, Starship, Rod Stewart, musicals (from Les Mis to Moulin Rouge)...and many more.
Also lots of 90s rock: Pumpkins, Nirvana, Hole, Pearl Jam, Symposium, blur etc
And I love love the Manics (excluding Lifeblood and most of the last album).

[The Douche]

I knew you'd dig it. Try "Hurry,Hurry". Don't be ashamed.:thumbup1:

This was much better and I like it. It reminds me of Zooey Deschanel.

[Yazman]

Haha, I got my entry for this thread.. I like Sarah Brightman:

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Let's see if anybody has anything "uncooler" than that.

btw, to ICanHazClassWar, nothing Wu Tang Clan related is uncool.. if you like GZA's solo shit more, nothing wrong with that. p.s. M-E-T-H-O-D... MAN!

[roy]

slipknot, ratm... rhcp have some good stuff. i don't know if they're uncool though. i think OF are kinda unhip now and i like them.

[Igor]

slipknot, ratm... rhcp have some good stuff. i don't know if they're uncool though. i think OF are kinda unhip now and i like them.

yeah they're uncool as all hell

[Robespierres Neck]

Should I be ashamed for listening to Riff Raff more than anyone else lately?

[Pirate Utopian]

Riff Raff is awesome.

[The Douche]

Riff Raff is definitely not "uncool".

[Pirate Utopian]

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This pretty much the definition of cool.

Especially the legendary "baby panda egg" comment at around 10:30.