Who Are You?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

A simple enough question: who are you? Are you Heterosexual, homosexual, Bisexual, Transgender? Furthermore if you are Transgender what orientation are you?

I am Gay man.

You?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

I am a heterosexual male who only rarely is attracted to other males (as perhaps every heterosexual is, once in a blue moon).

[#FF0000]

Vanilla as fuck bro

[Ostrinski]

We also have a couple asexuals.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Totally gay.

[Bostana]

I'm a Bi Guy.

Ha! see what I did there?

[kuriousoranj]

None of the above.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

Heterosexual.

I am confused, why this is in discrimination?

I see what you did there Bostana! :D

[Comrade Samuel]

Heterosexual, white, male (that looks SOOOOO good when you try to tell people your a communist by the way)

[Zostrianos]

Hetero

[Bostana]

I see what you did there Bostana! :D

I know Right?
:D

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I am confused, why this is in discrimination?


Easy access, mostly.


We also have a couple asexuals.

Poll option added.... I thought I left out an identity.

[Kronsteen]

Uncomplicatedly homosexual.

Though apparently I'm not very gay. Hate hollywood musicals and showtunes, never tried makeup or drag, don't care about Lady Gaga or fashion, more into science than liberal arts, and I'm no one's sassy best friend. Seriously, my last boyfriend asked me if I was sure I was gay.

[ВАЛТЕР]

I'm a heterosexual male. Any other questions?

[Ostrinski]

I'm a heterosexual male. Any other questions?Where were you on the night of April 10th?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Uncomplicatedly homosexual.

Though apparently I'm not very gay. Hate hollywood musicals and showtunes, never tried makeup or drag, don't care about Lady Gaga or fashion, more into science than liberal arts, and I'm no one's sassy best friend. Seriously, my last boyfriend asked me if I was sure I was gay.

Stereotypes, is all. Don't worry bud, I am there with you. I don't much care for those things either. :)

[ВАЛТЕР]

Where were you on the night of April 10th?

At my monthly illuminati, reptillian, masonic, secret meeting. It's kind of a big deal, you wouldn't understand.

[Lee Van Cleef]

I reify heteronormative patriarchy through my mere existence.

[Animarossa]

Uhm let's see..as once somebody typed :"Since it is hard to get vagina[spoiler alert : no sexist]...I might just well fuck with the system"

I'll just add...Swaaaaaag!

[Ele'ill]

just for clarity transgender is not being used as an umbrella term here and that common usage of it would fall instead under 'genderqueer', right?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

just for clarity transgender is not being used as an umbrella term here and that common usage of it would fall instead under 'genderqueer', right?

As I understand things Genderqueer is when a person doesn't feel connected to their gender but doesn't feel the need to have a sex change procedure. While Transsexual is a person whom does need to have the procedure. But yes, there are no umbrella terms (hence why there are so many options when voting).

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Uncomplicatedly homosexual.

Though apparently I'm not very gay. Hate hollywood musicals and showtunes, never tried makeup or drag, don't care about Lady Gaga or fashion, more into science than liberal arts, and I'm no one's sassy best friend. Seriously, my last boyfriend asked me if I was sure I was gay.

Same here, you sound absolutely lovely.

[Ele'ill]

As I understand things Genderqueer is when a person doesn't feel connected to their gender but doesn't feel the need to have a sex change procedure. While Transsexual is a person whom does need to have the procedure. But yes, there are no umbrella terms (hence why there are so many options when voting).

Transgendered is an umbrella term though and is commonly used differently then transsexual. Transsexual would fall under transgendered as would genderqueer.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Transgendered is an umbrella term though and is commonly used differently then transsexual.

I wasn't aware. I knew of some usage difference but not many.

[NewLeft]

all of the above

[Ocean Seal]

At my monthly illuminati, reptillian, masonic, secret meeting. It's kind of a big deal, you wouldn't understand.
http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/leadhidden.jpg

Everyone this is a call to action. Right wing libertarians are actually full of lulz. Everyone, make sure that in every picture that you pose in, you keep your hand under you jacket. It'll make the lolbertarian weirdoes suspicious of your masonic ties.

Also I'm straight.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Thanks to a user I have updated the poll with more options so hopefully no one is left out.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Thanks for your reply and funny picture but lets try and cut down on the cross-space reptilian talk. :)

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

As I understand things Genderqueer is when a person doesn't feel connected to their gender but doesn't feel the need to have a sex change procedure.
Genderqueer as a label is used by people who see themselves as outside the gender binary and heteronormativity. As such, it can overlap with transgender as an umbrella term.


While Transsexual is a person whom does need to have the procedure.
There are non-op transsexuals.


But yes, there are no umbrella terms (hence why there are so many options when voting).
Transgender is usually considered an umbrella term, such as when it's used in LGBT.

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

I'm a transwoman and bisexual.

[Kronsteen]

Same here, you sound absolutely lovely.

Hmmm. Do you slum here often?

[black magick hustla]

Uncomplicatedly homosexual.

Though apparently I'm not very gay. Hate hollywood musicals and showtunes, never tried makeup or drag, don't care about Lady Gaga or fashion, more into science than liberal arts, and I'm no one's sassy best friend. Seriously, my last boyfriend asked me if I was sure I was gay.

you'd be surprised. a lot of gay people are like that. the super flamboyant girly hypersexualized gay thing was invented by san francisco. tbh i hate that shit. my few gay friends were like science math types who i'd wager part of the reason they are gay is that they were into really male dominated subjects like math, logic, physics etc

[black magick hustla]

wittgenstein hated women lol and boinked young math dudes or w/e

[black magick hustla]

i'm pretty much a bro lol

[Mista Commie]

Uncomplicatedly homosexual.

Though apparently I'm not very gay. Hate hollywood musicals and showtunes, never tried makeup or drag, don't care about Lady Gaga or fashion, more into science than liberal arts, and I'm no one's sassy best friend. Seriously, my last boyfriend asked me if I was sure I was gay.

That is pretty funny, not gonna lie :lol:

I'm hetero myself.

[El Oso Rojo]

I am a gay http://images.wikia.com/wikiality/images/7/72/Francois.gif

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Too many options!!!! :p

[MustCrushCapitalism]

There was no option for pansexual, so I put bisexual. Either works though.

[marl]

(I can fap to) anything that walks.

No interest in a relationship, however.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

There was no option for pansexual, so I put bisexual. Either works though.

Option added, sorry for missing it. Since you can vote for multiples you might be able to vote for it but if not than sorry.

[Sentinel]

I'm also gay, and also one of those 'non-stereotypical', more masculine types. Sometimes I get surprised reactions when people find out about it, and I've also been asked if I'm 'sure'. Very annoying.

I came out with my orientation when I was 23, about the same time I was awakening politically. There was some controversy and I lost some friends over it. Probably no great loss, in retrospect -- just a little sad, and definitely hurtful at the time.

Luckily mainstream Sweden is one of the more socially progressive societies, even though there still is much work to do -- I seldom encounter any problems today despite being completely open about it.

[El Oso Rojo]

I'm also gay, and also one of those 'non-stereotypical', more masculine types. Sometimes I get surprised reactions when people find out about it, and I've also been asked if I'm 'sure'. Very annoying.

I came out with my orientation when I was 23, about the same time I was awakening politically. There was some controversy and I lost some friends over it.

Probably no great loss, in retrospect -- just a little sad, and definitely hurtful at the time. Luckily mainstream Sweden is one of the more socially progressive societies, and I seldom encounter any problems today despite being completely open about it.

Are you a Red Bear woof :D

[Anarcho-Brocialist]

Heterosexual.

[Agent Ducky]

Asexual! Most people forget about us.
Also, regarding gender, I guess I'm cisgender but I feel very distant from society's definition of femininity.
Not aromantic though.

[Sentinel]

Are you a Red Bear woof ;)


No, I'm not, even though I guess I could be if it was my thing, as I'm quite hairy.. But yeah, my appearance and style are a more of a product of the environment I grew up in than a reflection of my actual, specific sexual preferences.

Also everyone, remember that this thread is in the Discrimination forum. Unless it's moved to Chit Chat we should try to keep the posts serious. ;)

[El Oso Rojo]

No, I'm not, even though I guess I could be if it was my thing, as I'm quite hairy.. But yeah, my appearance and style are a more of a product of the environment I grew up in than a reflection of my actual, specific sexual preferences.

Also everyone, remember that this thread is in the Discrimination forum. Unless it's moved to Chit Chat we should try to keep the posts serious. ;)

oh right I am sorry.

[Tenka]

Homosexual, Transgender, Asexual, Crossdresser, Agender, Transvestite, Homo sapiens....

[Left Leanings]

Bisexual man :)

[Rusty Shackleford]

hetero inclinations, though; generally the whole question stresses me our or i just dont care.

[Deicide]

Heterosexual

I still think DiCaprio is a sexy beast tho. But I'm not sexualy attracted to other men.. if that makes sense.

[Zukunftsmusik]

i'm me

[Offbeat]

Hetero.

What does Third and Fourth mean out of interest?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Heterosexual

I still think DiCaprio is a sexy beast tho. But I'm not sexualy attracted to other men.. if that makes sense.

Same situation with me. I will most likely never go what what in the butt or even want to, but I can admit that some guys look good.

[Franz Fanonipants]

Put this in learning not discrimination

[Misanthrope]

I identify as a human being and I do not let sexual orientation, race/heritage or nationality define who I am.

[gorillafuck]

heterosexual and cisgender.

[Anarcho-Brocialist]

What is a gender queer, Gender Fluid, and pan sexual? Never heard of those before?

[Nox]

Heterosexual white male. Also straight edge.

[Nox]

What is a gender queer, Gender Fluid, and pan sexual? Never heard of those before?

Gender queer = This is to gender what gay is to sexuality. (If that makes sense)

Gender fluid = Sometimes male, sometimes female (I think)

Pansexual = Attracted to everyone (male, female, other, etc)

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Hetero.

What does Third and Fourth mean out of interest?

"Two genders that exist outside of "male" and "female;" like male and female, they cannot be defined as anything other than themselves." -Arizona State University Safe Zone Gender Identity 101 curriculum.

[Anarcho-Brocialist]

Godless, Comrade, out of curiosity, how do people react to you not being heterosexual? I don't know if you're from the states, but if you are, then what's your response to the GOP and social conservatives about your sexual orientation?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Godless, Comrade, out of curiosity, how do people react to you not being heterosexual? I don't know if you're from the states, but if you are, then what's your response to the GOP and social conservatives about your sexual orientation?

Generally they do not mind but it is not like I make a habit of telling everyone right off. I stay indoors much of the time so since I only tell people whom I have a daily interaction with it means that right now I tell very few people; though I tell when needed. Usually they don't care, kinda some uneasiness at first.

My response to the reactionaries is that they must be combated tooth and nail. From the pulpits to the schools and everywhere in between if their bigotry isn't confronted at every turn than the liberation struggle stagnates.

[Goblin]

Im straight. I wish i was gay though. Not a big fan of girls of my generation:unsure:

[seventeethdecember2016]

I am Heterosexual. I'm not quite sure what many of those options were however.

Example: I don't know what a Drag King/Queen is.

[Bronco]

I wouldn't say a Drag king/queen is a type of gender or sexuality, isn't it something just done for entertainment/performance purposes? You could be one and be straight or gay as well

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Heterosexual.

[Kronsteen]

Some more categories, NOT to add to the list:

* Bit of a slut
* Try anything once
* Bisexual when drunk
* Gay Till Graduation
* Absolutely love my wife, but can't tell her I suck off blokes
* I like looking at people doing it, but hate doing it myself
* I'm too sexy to have sex (aka 'Metrosexual')
* Armin Meiwes
* "It's not gay sex because I'm not gay"
* Loves to chase but doesn't want to catch
* Gets excited when charging the police
* Utterly pansexual in theory, completely hetero in practice

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Some more categories, NOT to add to the list:

* Bit of a slut
* Try anything once
* Bisexual when drunk
* Gay Till Graduation
* Absolutely love my wife, but can't tell her I suck off blokes
* I like looking at people doing it, but hate doing it myself
* I'm too sexy to have sex (aka 'Metrosexual')
* Armin Meiwes
* "It's not gay sex because I'm not gay"
* Loves to chase but doesn't want to catch
* Gets excited when charging the police
* Utterly pansexual in theory, completely hetero in practice

Amusing but lets hope that such lists don't become a mainstay here simply because there are many identities and orientations.

[RedAnarchist]

I've no real idea of my sexual orientation - it seems to be some sort of confused mass of bisexual/pansexual demisexuality (a kind of asexuality where a person needs an emotional connection to feel sexually attracted to someone). Biologically, I'm male, but my gender identity is just as confused as my sexual orientation - I tend to identity mainly as genderqueer/androgyne. In real life and around people I know, I just act as if societal assumptions are correct (cisgendered hetero).

[Franz Fanonipants]

Im straight. I wish i was gay though. Not a big fan of girls of my generation:unsure:

check out this fucking misogyny

[NorwegianCommunist]

I am male, white and heterosexual =)

[Kronsteen]

Im straight. I wish i was gay though. Not a big fan of girls of my generation:unsure:

If the girls of your generation are idiots, probably the boys are too.

I'm 40, but all my friends are under 25 or over 50. "Talking 'bout my generation"...they may as well not exist.

I recall that the elder Marx thought the old revolutionaries were tedious windbags, but had a lot of time for young radicals.

[Drosophila]

I'm Homersexual

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I'm Homersexual

Is that a typo? Because if it isn't than that isn't funny.

[Drosophila]

Is that a typo? Because if it isn't than that isn't funny.

Don't appreciate old Simpsons jokes?

[Art Vandelay]

I am a straight male.

[Railyon]

Solid 2 on the Kinsey scale (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale)

[WanderingCactus]

I identify as pansexual, or sometimes omnisexual, because that sounds cooler.

[Goblin]

check out this fucking misogyny

Misogyny? really? I just said that im not a big fan of girls of my generation, not that i hate all females.

I just dont see anything attractive in painting your face orange, wearing sweatpants, watching MTV, obsessing over Facebook (i fucking hate facebook btw), taking pictures of yourself in the bathroom trying to resemble a duck and listening to shitty modern pop music. The girls in my class dont even know who The Beatles were!

Of course not all teenage girls are like that. As a matter of fact, i know some girls my age that are really cool, but they seem to be a minority.

Then again, this could just be a norwegian thing. Im sure that teen girls in other countrys are cool.

If you or anyone else were offended by my post, i apologize. I did not mean to sound misogynistic.

[Franz Fanonipants]

That's a whole lot of words to say you hate women and find them tiresome shrieking walking voids with which you as a superior homo sapien would not lower yourself to interact with

e: and fuck the beatles

[gorillafuck]

just dont see anything attractive in painting your face orange, wearing sweatpants, watching MTV, obsessing over Facebook (i fucking hate facebook btw), taking pictures of yourself in the bathroom trying to resemble a duck and listening to shitty modern pop music. The girls in my class dont even know who The Beatles were! who are The Beetles?:confused:

[hatzel]

I just dont see anything attractive in [...] wearing sweatpants

...what's wrong with them? They're comfy and convenient, and I've never looked at somebody wearing sweatpants and thought to myself "maaaaan the fact that you're wearing sweatpants makes you so vile an individual to me that I want to change my sexuality!" or anything of the sort. Though I admit that I might be slightly biased because most of the people I meet I see at dance classes and stuff like that. Still, I wouldn't discount an entire gender because they don't spent their whole lives dressed up like they're on their way to some kind of swanky dinner do at the queen's gaff...

I also don't think watching MTV should be a capital offence. For example.


The girls in my class dont even know who The Beatles were!Well to be fair they were kind of shit so I can't exactly blame them...do they know the Beach Boys, though?

[Ostrinski]

Misogyny? really? I just said that im not a big fan of girls of my generation, not that i hate all females.

I just dont see anything attractive in painting your face orange, wearing sweatpants, watching MTV, obsessing over Facebook (i fucking hate facebook btw), taking pictures of yourself in the bathroom trying to resemble a duck and listening to shitty modern pop music. The girls in my class dont even know who The Beatles were!

Of course not all teenage girls are like that. As a matter of fact, i know some girls my age that are really cool, but they seem to be a minority.

Then again, this could just be a norwegian thing. Im sure that teen girls in other countrys are cool.

If you or anyone else were offended by my post, i apologize. I did not mean to sound misogynistic.I would like for you to come lecture at my school, we need more enlightened folks like you.

You don't happen to have a link to anywhere where I could get your big beautiful non-orange face and non-sweatpant wearing body on a t shirt or flag, do you?

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

Some more categories, NOT to add to the list:

* Armin Meiwes


I find that offensive.


The girls in my class dont even know who The Beatles were!

Probably because they're over-rated and the Stones were better.

[Goblin]

That's a whole lot of words to say you hate women and find them tiresome shrieking walking voids with which you as a superior homo sapien would not lower yourself to interact with

Hate women? I just critized the way norwegian teenage girls act and dress these days!


e: and fuck the beatles

Have you even heard a Beatles album? Have you listened to Abbey Road? The White Album? Please Please Me? Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band? I dont think so...


who are The Beetles?:confused:

Funny...


...what's wrong with them? They're comfy and convenient, and I've never looked at somebody wearing sweatpants and thought to myself "maaaaan the fact that you're wearing sweatpants makes you so vile an individual to me that I want to change my sexuality!" or anything of the sort. Though I admit that I might be slightly biased because most of the people I meet I see at dance classes and stuff like that. Still, I wouldn't discount an entire gender because they don't spent their whole lives dressed up like they're on their way to some kind of swanky dinner do at the queen's gaff....

Theres nothing wrong with sweatpants, i just dont find them attractive.

And how am i discounting an entire gender by disagreeing with the way teenage girls act and dress these days? Again, im sure that this is is just a norwegian thing. It might be different in your country.




I also don't think watching MTV should be a capital offence. For example.

I never said it should be a capital offence. I just dont think that Snooki and Nicki Minaj are good rolemodels.


Well to be fair they were kind of shit so I can't exactly blame them...do they know the Beach Boys, though?

How where The Beatles shit?

and no, they have not heard of The Beach Boys. Nor have they heard of The Animals, The Velvet Underground, The Rolling Stones or The Who.

[Goblin]

Probably because they're over-rated and the Stones were better.

The Beatles are not over-rated.

I like the Stones, but they are not better than the Beatles.

[Revoltorb]

I'm a Heterosexual male.

[hatzel]

Hey guys quick question because I don't actually engage with the real world...what are men like nowadays? Do they watch MTV, does anybody know? What do they do exactly...?

[kitsune]

I like human beings, but I'm not willing to rule out robots or aliens because you never know.

I guess I'm bi to some degree. It's rather lopsided. Not usually attracted to girls, but it has happened a few times.

[Ostrinski]

Have you even heard a Beatles album? Have you listened to Abbey Road? The White Album? Please Please Me? Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band? I dont think so...ITP: Probably preaching to the choir.

edit: I like the Beatles but I like to say they suck to piss 60's purists off

[Ostrinski]

Can we get a break from people on the left having conservative views thanks

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

The Beatles are not over-rated.

I like the Stones, but they are not better than the Beatles.

Just a joke.

I also will say that this current shitfest upon your person is moronic since you seem to be talking about your own personal tastes and generalizing various characteristics you have observed that you dislike onto a specific group. Perhaps, in the future, if you didn't make such generalizations the hive wouldn't be so quick to accuse you of being hateful. Just my observations.

[hatzel]

Can we get a break from people on the left having conservative views thanks

Of course not! The 9 in 9gag stands for 9th International, didn't you hear? Because that's the other place I hear all this kind of stuff...

[Goblin]

Just a joke.

I also will say that this current shitfest upon your person is moronic since you seem to be talking about your own personal tastes and generalizing various characteristics you have observed that you dislike onto a specific group. Perhaps, in the future, if you didn't make such generalizations the hive wouldn't be so quick to accuse you of being hateful. Just my observations.

Yes, your right. I will be more carefull in the future.

[Nox]

Not a big fan of girls of my generation:unsure:

Give them a try! #YOLO

[Franz Fanonipants]

Just a joke.

I also will say that this current shitfest upon your person is moronic since you seem to be talking about your own personal tastes and generalizing various characteristics you have observed that you dislike onto a specific group. Perhaps, in the future, if you didn't make such generalizations the hive wouldn't be so quick to accuse you of being hateful. Just my observations.

lol yeah "the moronic hive"

[Luís Henrique]

Who are you?

Whomever I am, I am definitely not my sexual orientation.

Luís Henrique

[Firebrand]

Not got a fucking clue. I'll get back to you on that one.

[Luís Henrique]

Some more categories, NOT to add to the list:

* Bit of a slut
* Try anything once
* Bisexual when drunk
* Gay Till Graduation
* Absolutely love my wife, but can't tell her I suck off blokes
* I like looking at people doing it, but hate doing it myself
* I'm too sexy to have sex (aka 'Metrosexual')
* Armin Meiwes
* "It's not gay sex because I'm not gay"
* Loves to chase but doesn't want to catch
* Gets excited when charging the police
* Utterly pansexual in theory, completely hetero in practice

Good ones.

Also,

Bisexual when travelling
Heterosexual, but real pleasure comes from talking to other guys about whom I am banging
Not really lesbian, just in an experimentation phase
Deeply in love with own right hand
Lesbian trapped into a male body
Anything goes in internet chat, real life is another issue
holesexual (attracted to anything that has a hole)
Not really lesbian, just somewhat affection deprived these days
Have done everything, now just seeking someone of the opposite sex for stable relationship

Luís Henrique

[Ele'ill]

Whomever I am, I am definitely not my sexual orientation.

Luís Henrique

Nothing you are makes you who you are. Only what you never are makes you who you are cause it sounds more intelligent to the intellectually desperate.

[Landsharks eat metal]

I'm a transman and I'm... I put bisexual (I might actually be pansexual), but I usually just say I'm queer to make it easier because my sexuality is a bit fluid and there have been periods in my life where for a few months, I have only been attracted to one sex and was kind of weirded out at the thought that I had been attracted to the others, but the attractions came back. And I'm not confused. That's just what my sexuality is.

[antiracist]

I'm a Bi-Male.

[Sasha]

Difficult, I prefer to use the term "bent", i'm relationship orientated completly straight and also don't have and never have had romantic feelings for guys but sexually comfortable and adventures enough to if I'm single sleep around with guys occasionally so bisexual seems not the right word. In theory and if I'm single and out on the town you could call me queerish but in relationships im in practice way to monogamous for it. So bent or hetro'ish I guess..

[Kronsteen]

adventures enough to if I'm single sleep around with guys

Something I've noticed. Boundaries of gender, age, race, class and self-defined orientation seem easily crossed by sexually liberated people...but the one they almost never want to cross is: Monogamy.

Open relationships seem to be seen as more daring than jumping between genders, more transgressive than BDSM, and more strange than being genderqueer.

As for adultery, it's accepted without question as a reason to end a relationship, and even being tempted is a cause for guilt.

When did monogamy become a sacred cow among habitual beefburger eaters?

[Sasha]

Well in theory my relationship is open, its just that so far we both have enough with each other for now and can't really be bothered to see it through. I mean we both flirt with others when going out but at the end of the night we just prefer to go home with/to each other. Maybe even more out of fear that the 3th person wouldn't be able to deal with the situation than that we couldn't.
Dan savage calls it monogamish which sounds fine to me.

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

Hetero - kissed a guy once, didn't take to it, but fair play to any who do.

[Ocean Seal]

Something I've noticed. Boundaries of gender, age, race, class and self-defined orientation seem easily crossed by sexually liberated people...but the one they almost never want to cross is: Monogamy.

Open relationships seem to be seen as more daring than jumping between genders, more transgressive than BDSM, and more strange than being genderqueer.

As for adultery, it's accepted without question as a reason to end a relationship, and even being tempted is a cause for guilt.

When did monogamy become a sacred cow among habitual beefburger eaters?
I'm going to be honest, I don't judge people who are in open relationships, but it would just seem wrong to me to participate in one. And maybe I'm wrong here, but adultery seems like a good enough reason to me to end a relationships, it means that the other person really just doesn't care about you.

[Aurora]

Interesting results, 5% asexual wow that's pretty high.


it means that the other person really just doesn't care about you.
Does it? i'm not sure it's a reflection on you at all.

[gorillafuck]

Hey guys quick question because I don't actually engage with the real world...what are men like nowadays? Do they watch MTV, does anybody know? What do they do exactly...?I think they just play pool and eat hot dogs

[Kronsteen]

adultery seems like a good enough reason to me to end a relationships, it means that the other person really just doesn't care about you.

It is possible to care about more than one person.

And it is possible to get some of what you need out of a relationship from one person, and the rest from another person.

The notion of a partner who fulfils you in all ways - emotional support, advice, sex, home maintenence, food, company etc. - seems wildly unlikely. And the notion that you could provide for all their corresponding needs, even more improbable.

I'd suggest that the reason adultery and cheating is so common, is that open relationships are forbidden.

[Niall]

heterosexual male plus one other from that list

[Krano]

Heterosexual 69 Votes :cool:

[pastradamus]

Failing to see the point in this poll was not one of the options.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Failing to see the point in this poll was not one of the options.

What do you mean? The entire reason for this thread was the poll; the poll was to see who was who on rev-left.

[Crux]

I am bisexual and male. Thought I was straight for a while, 13-16, but looking back at my childhood I was sooo bi. I have had sex with men, but not more than your average straight guy. In this regard I am far too ruled by societies convention, and the fact that I find myself sleeping with women. Knowledge of my sexual orientation is on a need to know basis. To most of the world I am probably seen as straight. I am white, at least going back to the early 1800's where my Sapmi bloodline begins, or rather ends. This is fairly irrelevant too to most people, I think. Don't think I have, as an adult been in love with a guy, but then again what is love? baby, don't hurt me.

[Zav]

I am a kinky as fuck agendered pansexual drag queen who is occasionally a drag king if I'm in a suit and beard mood. Woo, gender fuckery!

EDIT: Why are so many of you putting down your 'racial' identity? It doesn't really fit with sex, gender, gender expression, etc., which is what the poll is about. You may as well put your national and political identities in there.

[tachosomoza]

Failing to see the point in this poll was not one of the options.

Methinks this be an attempt to pick up some ass....

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Methinks this be an attempt to pick up some ass....

Heavens no...

Lets not have any replies go down this route.

[Crux]

Also I have renounced monogamy. At least until I meet mr. right and get gaymarried. I'll be in my early 40's own an attic flat, styled like an early 1900's Samarkand mansion. I'll lounge around in a robe and smoke shisha. We'll stay in all day, taking baths, smoking haschisch and read persian poetry. every other saturday night I and my husband go out on the town, getting thouroughly wasted on cheap wine and vodka beforehand, to pick up any sweet young thing that comes our way for a menage a troix. it will be decadent as fuck.

[Luís Henrique]

Open relationships seem to be seen as more daring than jumping between genders, more transgressive than BDSM, and more strange than being genderqueer.

Indeed. If we are going to naturalise grammatical categories, it is time that we do it with "number" as well as with "gender".


When did monogamy become a sacred cow among habitual beefburger eaters?

Quite probably when we started to wonder on whether our possessions would be inherited by our "own blood".

Luís Henrique

[Lanky Wanker]

Why do we have transgender as an option if we have transgender with sexuality brackets after it? Shouldn't it be "transgender (other)" or something? Sorry if this has been mentioned already, I'm too lazy to read through all the previous posts.

Heterosexual y0, I like vagina and boobs (on women).

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Why do we have transgender as an option if we have transgender with sexuality brackets after it? Shouldn't it be "transgender (other)" or something? Sorry if this has been mentioned already, I'm too lazy to read through all the previous posts.

It is because Gender Identity and sexual orientation are two separate pillars of who a person is. One can be a gay transsexual.

[Lanky Wanker]

It is because Gender Identity and sexual orientation are two separate pillars of who a person is. One can be a gay transsexual.

I know, that's why I was asking. If there are options for transgender AND sexuality (well, the popular 3 sexuality labels), why is there one for just transgender? A heterosexual transgendered person, for example, would likely select heterosexual transgender instead of just transgender.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I know, that's why I was asking. If there are options for transgender AND sexuality (well, the popular 3 sexuality labels), why is there one for just transgender? A heterosexual transgendered person, for example, would likely select heterosexual transgender instead of just transgender.

Mostly because when I made the poll I got ahead of myself in adding the amount of options and identities so I accidentally left this over from the pre-planning stage. But it is still there simply because some people may feel,for whatever reason,more comfortable in simply selecting Transgender (after all, at the time they might not know which orientation they fall under if they are having difficulties in changing their genders).

[Lanky Wanker]

Mostly because when I made the poll I got ahead of myself in adding the amount of options and identities so I accidentally left this over from the pre-planning stage. But it is still there simply because some people may feel,for whatever reason,more comfortable in simply selecting Transgender (after all, at the time they might not know which orientation they fall under if they are having difficulties in changing their genders).

Ah right, makes sense.

[Crux]

Okay so maybe this is me.
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[gozai]

I am exclusively attracted to anime and manga girls. Not sure were that puts me exactly.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I am exclusively attracted to anime and manga girls. Not sure were that puts me exactly.

That just means you have a strange, though not entirely uncommon, fetish. :P

[Red Rabbit]

I'm a lesbian transwoman (Meaning, Male-to-Female) who doesn't want/need the surgery and can't undergo hormone treatment (health issues).

Not sure exactly what that would put me, but I went with "Transgender (Homosexual)"

:)

[Sheepy]

MtF Transgender Pansexual.

yay

[Devrim]

I don't identify myself by my sexual preferences.

Devrim

[gozai]

I'm a lesbian transwoman (Meaning, Male-to-Female) who doesn't want/need the surgery and can't undergo hormone treatment (health issues).

Not sure exactly what that would put me, but I went with "Transgender (Homosexual)"

:)
What's the purpose of identifying as a women? Not to be condescending or anything.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

What's the purpose of identifying as a women? Not to be condescending or anything.

Because that is who she is on the inside and she wants to feel as close to who her true self as she can be.

[GhostOfTheHaymarket]

Hetero, breh...but currently wondering if I'm Gay/Bi.

[Robespierres Neck]

I mainly identify as pansexual, but I selected bisexual. They're practically the same thing.

[black magick hustla]

hetero and pretty masculine. i have pretty flexible approach to relationships though or to people cheating on me or w/e.

[Искра]

I'm cop killa.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I mainly identify as pansexual, but I selected bisexual. They're practically the same thing.

No, they are not. Bisexual is a person who is attracted to both men and women while a pansexual is a individual who is attracted to all sexes and gender identities.

[corolla]

I am a genderfluid androgynous bisexual subqueer crossdressing agendered drag QUING.

Just joking.

Where is the option for 'Who I choose to fuck is nobody's damn business but my own and my prospective partners'?

[Leftsolidarity]

Pan man

lol I like this rhyming stuff we have going

[Leftsolidarity]

I am a genderfluid androgynous bisexual subqueer crossdressing agendered drag king.

Just joking.

Where is the option for 'Who I choose to fuck is nobody's damn business but my own and my prospective partners'?

The one where you don't vote in the poll?

[Robespierres Neck]

No, they are not. Bisexual is a person who is attracted to both men and women while a pansexual is a individual who is attracted to all sexes and gender identities.

Excuse my ignorance. I should have said 'similar', because they are. The genders here on earth are man, woman, and transgendered. I'm sure most bisexuals wouldn't mind being with a trans woman/man with a great personality. But maybe that's why I consider myself 'pansexual' (just prefer the term 'bisexual').

Pansexual seems to be more of a modern term.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Excuse my ignorance. I should have said 'similar', because they are. The genders here on earth are man, woman, and transgendered. I'm sure most bisexuals wouldn't mind being with a trans woman/man with a great personality. But maybe that's why I consider myself 'pansexual' (just prefer the term 'bisexual').

Pansexual seems to be more of a modern term.

Similar in the sense that they are attracted to a segment of the same identities but not much else.

In genders there can technically be as many genders as a society deems is necessary to label people and thus categorize them yet in "conventional" society there is Men and Women with Transgendered being a means of communication;this is to say that most transgendered people would consider themselves men or women with the actual transgender label being in the background.

As to who would mind being with who... that is largely up to them but I think most Bisexuals prefer non-transgendered men and women.

Pansexuals have always existed albeit under different conditions.

[Minima]

sounds like the the new generation pokemon

[Red Rabbit]

What's the purpose of identifying as a women? Not to be condescending or anything.

Because who I am on the inside has never matched whats between my legs.

[black magick hustla]

sounds like the the new generation pokemon

LOL i am really impressed about this one

[corolla]

The one where you don't vote in the poll?

But then I won't be counted.

[Jesus Saves Gretzky Scores]

Totally gay.

Really? You're picture told a different story.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

sounds like the the new generation pokemon

What is that suppose to mean?

[Leftsolidarity]

So what's "Third and Fourth"? I've never heard of that before

[TheGodlessUtopian]

So what's "Third and Fourth"? I've never heard of that before

"Two genders that exist outside of "male" and "female;" like male and female, they cannot be defined as anything other than themselves." -Arizona State University Safe Zone Gender Identity 101 curriculum.

[Leftsolidarity]

"Two genders that exist outside of "male" and "female;" like male and female, they cannot be defined as anything other than themselves." -Arizona State University Safe Zone Gender Identity 101 curriculum.

Does anybody identify as Third and Fourth?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Does anybody identify as Third and Fourth?

Personally I have never met anyone who identifies as such and nor have I heard of anyone "significant" that identifies as such (such doesn't surprise me, however, since the bourgeois media isn't exactly keen on spreading Queerness).

[Igor]

What's the difference between a drag king/queen, crossdresser and a transvestite?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

What's the difference between a drag king/queen, crossdresser and a transvestite?

Drag King/Queen is divided by sex: A drag king is a man who dresses in women's clothes while a drag queen is a women who dresses in men's clothes.It is important to note that Drag Kings and Queens dress this way purely for entertainment of others.Cross-dressers,on the other hand,dress in their own manner because they feel more comfortable wearing said clothes than in comparison to the expected clothes. A transvestite is usually used as a slur for people who wear clothes of the opposite sex for personal satsifaction and in order to feel happy.

[Igor]

A transvestite is usually used as a slur for people who wear clothes of the opposite sex for personal satsifaction and in order to feel happy.

If it's merely slur, why was it included in the poll?

[Quail]

I voted bisexual and pansexual. I normally call myself bi if anyone asks because nobody knows what pansexual means. I also don't really understand how someone who is bi could not also be pansexual.

[Robespierres Neck]

I voted bisexual and pansexual. I normally call myself bi if anyone asks because nobody knows what pansexual means. I also don't really understand how someone who is bi could not also be pansexual.

That's what I was sayin'...

[Leftsolidarity]

I voted bisexual and pansexual. I normally call myself bi if anyone asks because nobody knows what pansexual means. I also don't really understand how someone who is bi could not also be pansexual.

I usually just say "bi" too because no one understands "pan"

Pan-sexual encompasses all gender identities, not just strictly male/female.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I voted bisexual and pansexual. I normally call myself bi if anyone asks because nobody knows what pansexual means. I also don't really understand how someone who is bi could not also be pansexual.

Plenty of people know what Pansexual means and it has been explained before.

Pansexual: Someone who is attracted to all sexual orientations and gender identities.

Bisexual: Someone who is attracted to Men and Women. Bisexuals,in the conventional sense,are not attracted to Transgendered people.Hence why there is the term Pansexual.

[Quail]

Plenty of people know what Pansexual means and it has been explained before.

Pansexual: Someone who is attracted to all sexual orientations and gender identities.

Bisexual: Someone who is attracted to Men and Women. Bisexuals,in the conventional sense,are not attracted to Transgendered people.Hence why there is the term Pansexual.

Okay okay... but at the end of the day, if you're not bothered what reproductive organs someone has when it comes to attraction... Why would you not be attracted to transgendered people? I don't understand and I don't think it really makes sense. I can't really think of anything about a trans person that would automatically disqualify them as a potential partner for a bisexual person in the same way that, for example, breasts would for a straight woman. Does that make sense? The other bisexual-defining people I have met have all said they want "a person not a gender" so I don't really know to what extent bisexuality by your definition really exists or if it is based on prejudice and transphobia.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Okay okay... but at the end of the day, if you're not bothered what reproductive organs someone has when it comes to attraction... Why would you not be attracted to transgendered people? I don't understand and I don't think it really makes sense. I can't really think of anything about a trans person that would automatically disqualify them as a potential partner for a bisexual person in the same way that, for example, breasts would for a straight woman. Does that make sense? The other bisexual-defining people I have met have all said they want "a person not a gender" so I don't really know to what extent bisexuality by your definition really exists or if it is based on prejudice and transphobia.

Attraction is a loose term and can be lost or gained pending on what your mind perceives as "Male" and "female." A straight man could be temporarily attracted to a "feminine" male but be repulsed as soon as he discovers the truth in regards to the other's sexual organs (this same event can happen with most,if not all, hetero and homosexuals).

Sex,or more precisely,the anticipation of sex is a major deciding factor in deciding who to date and spend your life with.In this thread I have used the term attraction loosely yet I ultimately mean who one is permanently attracted to (that is to say who one has a fixed attraction.The previous example of a man being temporarily attracted to another feminine man means that he has a permanent attraction to females,his temporarily state proves this by occasionally mistaking what society defines as feminine for the actual gender identity).

[Valdyr]

I'd call myself "homoflexible," as I lean heavily towards other males and only really have an interest in a long-term relationship with a male. I do, however, have more than incidental attractions to females, so I voted bisexual for simplicity's sake.

Gender-wise I'm a cisgendered male. Pretty vanilla there.

[Quail]

Attraction is a loose term and can be lost or gained pending on what your mind perceives as "Male" and "female." A straight man could be temporarily attracted to a "feminine" male but be repulsed as soon as he discovers the truth in regards to the other's sexual organs (this same event can happen with most,if not all, hetero and homosexuals).


But that doesn't happen if you're bi. If you see what you think is an attractive male who turns out to be female, they don't stop being attractive (in my experience anyway).

Anyway I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm just questioning the idea that there is a group of people that pansexuals are attracted to but bisexuals aren't.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

But that doesn't happen if you're bi. If you see what you think is an attractive male who turns out to be female, they don't stop being attractive (in my experience anyway).

Exactly, because one has a permanent attraction to both sexes.In this case,in regards to Transsexual attraction,it largely rests on sexual inclination and personal preference as to whether that bisexual/person is comfortable with the transgendered individual. I couldn't say for sure but there are probably many Bisexuals who are actually Pansexuals, I am not discounting such a possibility.As demonstrated in this thread there are many identities and not everyone will have the tools in knowing who they are.

Straight males (etc) can be attracted to Transgendered women and make love to them but not all have an attraction due to the gender lines.The males who can be with transgendered women owe their comfort and attraction to any number of possible reasons (societal relations,personal ideas about genders,prior acquaintanceships, a flexible,possibly queer, orientation,etc).


Anyway I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm just questioning the idea that there is a group of people that pansexuals are attracted to but bisexuals aren't.
No,it's all right, this is a tricky subject. :)

[Valdyr]

In this debate surrounding the relationship between pan and bisexuality, I think it's worth keeping in mind that there may still be a salient difference between the orientations even if there aren't groups of people organized along gender lines which one is attracted to and the other isn't, because the orientations might function different ways from a sociological perspective.

Let's take many pre-capitalist societies as examples. In many of these societies, attraction wasn't organized along gender lines at all. There was even often an assumption that one could desire just about anyone. But this was irrelevant, because the sexual practices of the society were organized around other things, including but not limited to

1. The moral acceptability of specific sexual acts, namely the unacceptable nature of non-procreative acts

2. The status in a hierarchy of the participants

etc. The overall dynamics of the sexual behavior in that society simply wouldn't be organized around lines of which "group" someone is attracted to. Our own organizing of sexuality around which sex and/or gender one is primarily attracted to (with a much more general understanding of attraction) is historically specific.

This is not to say some idealist postmodernist drivel about how all we need is a "revolution in consciousness," or a change of discourse (Foucault), or the creation of new, tolerant social spaces (Laclau) etc. Rather, I'm suggesting that perhaps the difference between pansexuality and bisexuality concerns the extent to which they function in line with society's organization of sexuality around the gender and/or sex of attraction, even if that is through the refusal to take sides. From the standpoint of an individual bisexual or pansexual person itemizing the things they're attracted to there might not be much difference, but perhaps the distinction is still warranted for social purposes.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Thread Stickied.

[Vapaus]

But that doesn't happen if you're bi. If you see what you think is an attractive male who turns out to be female, they don't stop being attractive (in my experience anyway).
Hmm, I identify as bi, but my experience is the opposite there...the types of girls and the types of boys I am attracted to are completely different...if I see what I think is a cute feminine but 'boyish' male, I might be attracted to her as a boy until I realize she doesn't have male genitals, at which point it somehow doesn't work in my mind and I lose attraction...:confused:

I don't know how this fits in with the whole bi vs pan debate either, which I don't completely understand myself.

[Nicolai]

Im straight. I wish i was gay though. Not a big fan of girls of my generation:unsure:

That's a bit gender stereotyping, isn't it? Everyone are individuals, and shouldn't be judged by sex. I can say the same about boys of my generation, but that would be wrong.

[ForgedConscience]

I wrote a sizable post but accidentally lost it :/

Short story, I'm bi.

[Misocratist]

I'm straight as an arrow. Except when it comes to greek philosophy. I'd let that bearded man in a toga ''socratize'' me all he wants.

[Rafiq]

Hererosexual male

I'm attracted to rich girls (better if foreign)... I don't know why.. Maybe I like pissing off peoples parents?

[Ele'ill]

play less videogames.

Coming from someone who has literally made close to ten sockpuppets in two weeks in order to continue revlefting. Also stop the oneliners while you're here.

[Rafiq]

Coming from someone who has literally made close to ten sockpuppets in two weeks in order to continue revlefting. Also stop the oneliners while you're here.

Why isn't he banned, then?

Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2

[rolfwar]

Heterosexual.

[Luc]

I think I'm Bisexual:unsure: either that or heterosexual, trying to sort it out atm :confused:

[black magick hustla]

Coming from someone who has literally made close to ten sockpuppets in two weeks in order to continue revlefting. Also stop the oneliners while you're here.

i can see the smoke coming out of your ears lol

[Ele'ill]

i can see the smoke coming out of your ears lol


Who didn't ban them and instead had a pleasant (perhaps fake) art discussion with them? ;) I still think the sockpuppet stuff is a bit immature.

Also back on topic of the thread.

[gorillafuck]

But that doesn't happen if you're bi. If you see what you think is an attractive male who turns out to be female, they don't stop being attractive (in my experience anyway).

Anyway I'm not trying to be an ass, I'm just questioning the idea that there is a group of people that pansexuals are attracted to but bisexuals aren't.agreed. it's a ridiculous distinction. it is classifying people along lines that could exist in theory but don't really.

[fabian]

Cisgender male, supportive of antisexuality.

the fuck is 'antisexuality'?

Some of us are just mildly ascetism oriented- thinking that sex should be for reproduction only, but there are one's who, besides that, are against all romantic behaviour.. Here's one FAQ info (http://antisex.info/en/go.htm)


Some of us are just mildly ascetism oriented- thinking that sex should be for reproduction only, but there are one's who, besides that, are against all romantic behaviour.. Here's one FAQ info (http://antisex.info/en/go.htm)

play less videogames.


Some of us are just mildly ascetism oriented- thinking that sex should be for reproduction only, but there are one's who, besides that, are against all romantic behaviour.. Here's one FAQ info (http://antisex.info/en/go.htm)

I read through a lot of that FAQ and honestly it made me really angery. Not only did it contain stuff that is just straight up not true:


Q. Why is sex not normal if most people do it?
A. Because a norm can't be determined by majority. Normal is not "like everybody", but "as it should be", "as optimal". In a psychiatric hospital the doctors are normal, not the patients, though the latter prevail in number. Totalitary governments were not normal, though supported by almost the entire fooled nations. Et cetera, et cetera. Of course, you can define "normal" as "conventional", but such a term would be purely statistical. But the whole thing was very very condescending toward us primitive beasts who enjoy sex and romance.

I don't know, all these other orientations like "asexual", "heterosexual", "homosexual", etc. are all personal things. They are that specific person's orientation and not a way to judge everyone else and try to have other people act a certain way. "Anti-sexual" isn't a personal thing. It is a stance to have on society and the way other people act with each other. It just seems like extreme conservatism with a different face.

Maybe I'm wrong and just coming off like an asshole?

Edit: Found this gem in there too:


Uncontrolled reproduction leads to degradation of the genetic pool. This is another reason why it is necessary that science interfere with natural mechanisms.
Could you talk a little more about what anti-sexual is and why you say you're supportive of it?

I too take issue with this antisexual movement. They say it is akin to addiction. What's to stop them from saying that emotional pleasure is also addictive and therefore decadent?

Should we not feel happiness, admiration or love because we will want more and therefore seek it out as our goal?

You could try making the distinction that physical pleasure is different and I am drawing an unfair comparison. But ultimately is thought not an act in itself? You are not just doing nothing when you think or feel.

I think the addiction argument is flawed anyway, having and wanting sex will not make you addicted to it, that's completely up to you. We are rational beings, not primates stuck in the primordial muck of our earlier development. There is no reason why sex shouldn't be used as a way of expressing your appreciation of another person.

EDIT: Also, LOL at the eugenics argument.

Anyway sorry for veering offtopic.


But the whole thing was very very condescending toward us primitive beasts who enjoy sex and romance.
So? Like sexual people are not condescending to us antisexuals? "Play less videogames", and you "getting angry" because we have different views..


It is a stance to have on society and the way other people act with each other.Same like heterosexism or "free love" movement.


It just seems like extreme conservatism with a different face.Something like that, you are not wrong, but this idea has a different basis (not connected with abrahamic religions), and methodology (not connected with abrahamic religion style oppressive stance).


Could you talk a little more about what anti-sexual is and why you say you're supportive of it? My support of antisexuality comes from a eudamonist perspective- platonism, stoicism and epicureanism are all basically antisexual.


What's to stop them from saying that emotional pleasure is also addictive and therefore decadent?
Nothing from stoping me from saying it. Negative emotions (sadness, anger and similar) are bad, and should not be practiced at all, the positive ones should be kept under control. There's difference between emotional (pathos) pleausure, and rational (eupathos) pleasure (can be called joy).


Should we not feel happiness, admiration or love because we will want more and therefore seek it out as our goal?Nothing wrong with more happiness, I would say that it's imperative to want more and more happiness, which should lead one to abandon types of pleasures that have any negative ascpect tided to it, and practice rational (intelectual / virtuous) pleasures. As Stuart Mill said "it is still better to be a human being dissatisfied than a pig satisfied; better to be Socrates dissatisfied than a fool satisfied".


But ultimately is thought not an act in itself? You are not just doing nothing when you think or feel.It's not that much about action or pasiveness, but about does a pleasure has something not so enjoyable connected to it, how much the pleasure lasts, and how much does it depend from things that we do not control (other people, circumstances).


I think the addiction argument is flawed anyway, having and wanting sex will not make you addicted to itI'm pretty sure it will, I have talked to a lot of my friends about masturbation, they all say that couldn't stop if they tried, a couple of them tryied as an experiment and couldn't. That pretty much defines addiction. I know I had a lot of problems when trying to stop, took me more then half a year to stop masturbating, and I was doing a type of meditation as an exercise of the willpower. I know only three other guys that don't masturbate, and one of them stopped from religious motives, the other two are basically stoics, I'm more of an epicurean with symphaties towards stoicism.


We are rational beings, not primates stuck in the primordial muck of our earlier development.Exactly, a word-for-word, the same sentence the stoics and other eudaimonist philosophers use to start talking abour their antisexuality, saying that being rational beings, we should be guided by and search for happiness in reason, not impulses and passions.


There is no reason why sex shouldn't be used as a way of expressing your appreciation of another person.Or appreciation of another person could be expressed by virtuous behaviour towards them, by helpfullness, politeness, fidelidy, etc. I don't think sex would be a proper way of expressing appreciation to eg. family members or friends, and even with marital partners- 99.999(...)% of sexual relations today are basically self-indulgence and using someone else's body for masturbation instead of one's hand, and a similar recentage of sexual relations is based on the humiliation and degradation of women.

This will be my last post in this thread about this so we don't completely derail the thread. If you want to start a new thread on this, go for it. I'll post there.


So? Like sexual people are not condescending to us antisexuals? "Play less videogames", and you "getting angry" because we have different views..


The person who said "play less video games" was a troll and that was already talked about in here. Me "getting angery" is not an excuse to be condescending if I am angery because you are condescending. That's called cause and effect, learn what it is.

It's not just you having different views. It is you telling us what we should and shouldn't do with other consenting people. It is you telling us that we should not express our feelings towards one another in a completely natural way. It is you taking your morals and applying them to me.

I am a pan-sexual. That doesn't mean I think everyone else should be pan-sexual. It is my personal attraction. You are an "anti-sexual". That means you think everyone else should be too. It is you pushing your morals. That's the difference.




Same like heterosexism or "free love" movement.
Uhh, we're opposed to heterosexism.....

I'm also not really into the whole "free love" stuff so I can't talk about it too much. There is a difference, though, between trying to restrict people and make them ashamed of sex instead of letting people enjoy themselves how they please and struggling for sexual liberation.


It's not just you having different views. It is you telling us what we should and shouldn't do with other consenting people.So? That's called having convictions. Employee and capitalist are consenting people in capitalist exploatation, that's going to stop me calling capitalism evil.


It is you telling us that we should not express our feelings towards one another in a completely natural way.Depends what you think as natural, e.g.- anything existing in nature, and does something being "natural" makes it right, because murder, torture, rape, cannibalism, and killing and eating one's young all exist in nature. Or do you use natural in the sense that one should live according to one's nature- a rock should be an inanimate think, a plant should be a rudimentary living being, an animal should be a living being led by impulses and urges, and a human should be a living being led by reason- as stoics would say it, in which case you'd be antisexual.


You are an "anti-sexual". That means you think everyone else should be too. It is you pushing your morals. That's the difference.Having moral convictions doesn't mean pushing it on other people. Morality of anything needs to be demonstrated by argument, and thereby the way one can "push" morality onto others is by argument. Any other way of "pushing morality" onto others can just temporarily stop some of their behaviour deemed immoral, but the only way to change someone's views is by argument.


There is a difference, though, between trying to restrict people and make them ashamed of sex instead of letting people enjoy themselves how they please and struggling for sexual liberation. I see antisexuality as liberating oneself from passion by using one's reason and (free) will. Shame is also unreasonable, one should never be ashemed- if one is going to do something good, he should do it and be proud and not ashemed, even if everyone around him shame him for it, and if he is to do something bad, he shouldn't do it, and be proud and not ashamed of himself, even if everyone around him exhort him to do it.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Merged Posts... didn't turn out how I expected... sorry.... start a different thread somewhere,at any rate if you guys wish to continue this Anti-sex movement sub-topic.

[OHumanista]

I answered bi quite some time ago. But after research I think pan describes it better.

[Azraella]

bigendered pan-romantic demisexual

[28350]

I used to identify as bisexual, then pansexual, then I realized that sexuality is so much bigger and broader and richer than the social construct of gendered attraction.

I'm male-bodied, I don't really feel "like a man." I just feel like a person.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I used to identify as bisexual, then pansexual, then I realized that sexuality is so much bigger and broader and richer than the social construct of gendered attraction.

I'm male-bodied, I don't really feel "like a man." I just feel like a person.

Sounds like you might be Genderqueer than. :)

[fabian]

Why did you merge all posts in my message? x)

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Why did you merge all posts in my message? x)

It was an accident.I thought I was splitting them off into a new thread but I mistook the command for something else.Should have moved them, not merged. Next time will be different. Sorry!

[Fawkes]

queer

[Sea]

I think I just used up my daily allotment of acting mature on the internet by giving a serious answer instead of checking all the boxes... I'm kinda proud of myself for that. :cool:


One question... Is androgyne in the poll meant in terms of how you feel or how you look?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I think I just used up my daily allotment of acting mature on the internet by giving a serious answer instead of checking all the boxes... I'm kinda proud of myself for that. :cool:


One question... Is androgyne in the poll meant in terms of how you feel or how you look?

That is left up to you to decide, I can't be everyone after all. Usually it is feel but whatever you decide is the "correct" answer.

[.Commie]

Well,I like guys so I guess that makes me gay...BUT (hehe,I said but!) they have to be cute :P

So gay guy

[homegrown terror]

please tell me i wasn't the only one who got the song stuck in my head as soon as i read this thread's title.

[znk666]

Am i the only one whom never heard of Bi-gender,Agender,Androgyne and Gender fluid?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Am i the only one whom never heard of Bi-gender,Agender,Androgyne and Gender fluid?

Such are terms ones doesn't hear too often from the mainstream media and from life in general but such doesn't mean that they are any less valid then the ones which are repeated ad nausem.

[Zostrianos]

Aren't androgynous and bigender essentially synonymous?

[TheGodlessUtopian]

Aren't androgynous and bigender essentially synonymous?

Haven't heard of "Bigender" before so I cannot say.

[Luc]

ah think im just hetero

[X5N]

I consider myself genderqueer, perhaps with a bit of gender-fluidity (perhaps just genderless...I don't really believe in gender, anyways).

I'm a mix of asexual, heterosexual (which I forgot to select in the poll) and pansexual.

Asexual in the sense that I have no interest in actual sex. Heterosexual in the sense that I seem to mostly be attracted to females, and pansexual in the sense that I can theoretically go for anyone, and my heterosexualness isn't really rationalized.

And...I feel like I need to either be totally asexual or totally pansexual in order to not be sexist. It's bizarre, I know, but sometimes I feel sexist for being part heterosexual -- not saying heterosexuality is sexist, not at all. That's just how I feel about myself.

And -- I like to be androgynous online, when possible.

[RedCloud]

Vanilla as fuck bro

Good way to put it. :D


Just a hetero male, here...

[Firebrand]

I'm afraid i've still not got a clue. Can we have an i don't know and have given up caring at the moment option on the poll?

[Zostrianos]

Well this is a bit awkward: after having sex with a transwoman, I don't really know what I am anymore. I guess still hetero, but I'm no longer sure :(.

[Igor]

Well this is a bit awkward: after having sex with a transwoman, I don't really know what I am anymore. I guess still hetero, but I'm no longer sure :(.

Don't stress about stuff like that. Labels exist for convenience, but they're not clear-cut and you don't have to care for them if you don't want to. Do what feels best, and think about whatever categories that puts you into later on - if you want to.

And besides, trans women are women after all. I know people who have had occasional same-sex sexual encounters and enjoyed them, yet they identify as straight. Sexuality is not black and white, and you don't have to choose what's your thing out of options presented to you by other people, you can just do your own thing and call you what you want. If people can't accept that, fuck them.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

"Do Not Know" poll option added.

[Eagle_Syr]

I'm heterosexual, although I am sexually submissive when it comes to women. I love dominant women :cool:

[Commiekirby]

Pansexual male reporting in.

[Neoprime]

Well this is a bit awkward: after having sex with a transwoman, I don't really know what I am anymore. I guess still hetero, but I'm no longer sure :(.
Your Bi like me.:thumbup1:

[Neoprime]

Don't stress about stuff like that. Labels exist for convenience, but they're not clear-cut and you don't have to care for them if you don't want to. Do what feels best, and think about whatever categories that puts you into later on - if you want to.

And besides, trans women are women after all. I know people who have had occasional same-sex sexual encounters and enjoyed them, yet they identify as straight. Sexuality is not black and white, and you don't have to choose what's your thing out of options presented to you by other people, you can just do your own thing and call you what you want. If people can't accept that, fuck them.
Then those people are Bi-Sexual then, not straight.:confused:

[Zostrianos]

Maybe. The thing is though, I'm not in the least bit attracted to men :confused:

[Regicollis]

I really don't care about labels but if I had to use some it would be bisexual with some genderqueer tendencies.

[MuscularTophFan]

Bisexual

Came out of the closet recently when I told my parents I was in a gay relationship with a Haitian guy.

My sexuality is very complex. I have this muscle fetish that I have and I'm sexually aroused by muscle regardless of what gender.

[Red Rabbit]

Well this is a bit awkward: after having sex with a transwoman, I don't really know what I am anymore. I guess still hetero, but I'm no longer sure :(.

Transwomen are women. You're still straight :p

[The Fighting_Crusnik]

Bisexual here :)

Idk, I'd have to say that at first site, I'm attracted more to guys an generally hook up with guys as oppose to girls, but as far as relationships, I find it easier being in a relationship with a girl. I can do a relationship with a guy, but idk... it's kinda hard to explain and I think sex plays a role in its complication if that makes any sense.

[Luc]

ah fuck nvm first i didnt know then thought im hetero but now i dunno again :(

[Mather]

I'm gay.

[¿Que?]

I'm for the most part hetero. There was one girl I was with a while back ago...let's just say the verdict is still out on that one. It doesn't keep me up at night or anything.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I'm hetero, but let's be honest! Johnny Depp, George Clooney, and Brad Pitt are sexy as fuck. I'm one of those guys who will admit that other guys are attractive, but I'm not interested in anything sexual with them.

[eyeheartlenin]

Uncomplicatedly homosexual.

Though apparently I'm not very gay. Hate hollywood musicals and showtunes, never tried makeup or drag, don't care about Lady Gaga or fashion, more into science than liberal arts, and I'm no one's sassy best friend. Seriously, my last boyfriend asked me if I was sure I was gay.

Reading your post, my reaction is that you have simply been successful in liberating yourself from (or completely avoiding) a bunch of stereotypes. I think congratulations are in order. Chances are, you can write your own agenda, which is admirable. A free man, something for other people to aim at, IMO.

[Halleluhwah]

Closeted gay male, the most fun thing to be. :blushing:

What's with all the bisexuals on revleft?

[Book O'Dead]

Has anybody here bothered to notice that the above question implies that a "who" can be defined in terms of any of the categories listed?

It's absurd to reduce any person to "who" he is merely by selecting from an arbitrarily created list of sexual categories.

When I ask anyone "Who are you?" I'm not expecting that person to tell me about their sexual life or how they define themselves sexually. It's usually the last thing in my mind, if at all. Instead, I ask them "are you working" "do you have a family" and when i get really intimate I ask them "Are you happy?"

I myself will never be reduced to a sexual category or any combination thereof. I am much more than that.

[Halleluhwah]

Has anybody here bothered to notice that the above question implies that a "who" can be defined in terms of any of the categories listed?

It's absurd to reduce any person to "who" he is merely by selecting from an arbitrarily created list of sexual categories.

When I ask anyone "Who are you?" I'm not expecting that person to tell me about their sexual life or how they define themselves sexually. It's usually the last thing in my mind, if at all. Instead, I ask them "are you working" "do you have a family" and when i get really intimate I ask them "Are you happy?"

I myself will never be reduced to a sexual category or any combination thereof. I am much more than that.

Any attempt to reduce a person's identity to a single dimension, or even as many different aspects as you can think of, is going to seem inadequate. We are constantly learning more about ourselves as well as changing throughout our lives. However, I would think that in a heteronormative society, and especially depending on one's family background and peers, coming to terms with one's sexual identity and living with it is going to have a profound effect on how a person views themselves, their culture, politics, bourgeois family structure, etc.

[Book O'Dead]

Any attempt to reduce a person's identity to a single dimension, or even as many different aspects as you can think of, is going to seem inadequate. We are constantly learning more about ourselves as well as changing throughout our lives. However, I would think that in a heteronormative society, and especially depending on one's family background and peers, coming to terms with one's sexual identity and living with it is going to have a profound effect on how a person views themselves, their culture, politics, bourgeois family structure, etc.

No doubt you're right about coming to terms with sexual identity being an important milestone in a person's life. It was for me.

I guess nowadays it's easier to do that in Western societies in spite of the ever-lingering bigotry and sexism. The people in Islamic countries? Well, most can't afford the luxury of coming out of whatever closet they've been forced to inhabit.

So I suppose once everyone has learned to "live with it" we can focus our attention elsewhere, in matters that concern everyone in common, indistinct of our sexual identities.

[MuscularTophFan]

Closeted gay male, the most fun thing to be. :blushing:
Why are you closeted? My gay boyfriend lives in new york and he's in the closet because of his xtian parents.


What's with all the bisexuals on revleft?
A good percentage of our population is bisexual. I would prefer is everyone on earth was bisexual.

[MuscularTophFan]

No doubt you're right about coming to terms with sexual identity being an important milestone in a person's life. It was for me.

I guess nowadays it's easier to do that in Western societies in spite of the ever-lingering bigotry and sexism. The people in Islamic countries? Well, most can't afford the luxury of coming out of whatever closet they've been forced to inhabit.

So I suppose once everyone has learned to "live with it" we can focus our attention elsewhere, in matters that concern everyone in common, indistinct of our sexual identities.
Fuck even in a really tolerant house hold that I grew up in I still didn't feel coming out of the closet to my parents until I was 19 year old. My parents where totally supportive of gay marriage and gay rights but I just didn't feel comfortable coming out of the closet and telling them I'm bisexual till recently. I can't even imagine how hard it would be for somebody in say Iran to come out of the closet to their friends.

[Halleluhwah]

Why are you closeted? My gay boyfriend lives in new york and he's in the closet because of his xtian parents.
It wasn't exactly a choice I made one day. It's just the way things are.

[human strike]

I am the anti-identity, the shadow behind the mask. I have no name, gender, creed, nor country. I live without limits. Identity is the reproduction of capitalist logic within anti-capitalism and thus I am all in favour of the anonymousation of struggle.

http://i.thestar.com/images/e3/0e/ad6ff5b8435e96ab19ff95dae95b.jpeg


I reify heteronormative patriarchy through my mere existence.

Fuck yeah.

[Azraella]

What's with all the bisexuals on revleft?

What's with all the sexuals on Revleft?

Ace and demi proles of the world unite! :lol:

[Book O'Dead]

What's with all the sexuals on Revleft?

Ace and demi proles of the world unite! :lol:

What's a 'demi-prole'? If its good I'm for it.

[Azraella]

What's a 'demi-prole'? If its good I'm for it.

A prole that is demisexual like me. :lol:

[Agent Ducky]

What's with all the sexuals on Revleft?

Ace and demi proles of the world unite! :lol:

Yes! :lol: It's so cool to see that there's other aces and demis on RevLeft because... we're pretty uncommon. I almost wanna make a group for us.

[Zugunruhe]

I identify as pansexual because I deny the gender binary, but I am generally attracted to masculinity as a whole. I'm also a drag queen, but I don't think that has anything to do with my sexual or gender identity. I act and it's a character I play.

[¿Que?]

Incidentally, does it annoy gay men as much as it does me when people equate homosexuality, or rather gay sex with sodomy (anal sex). To me, it seems like a grand generalization that trivializes the complexity and diversity of sexual expression inherent in all sexual orientations. I mean, as a straight person, I can't exactly speak to this issue from experience, but (if you'll allow a hypothetical) if I was in fact gay, why does that mean I would automatically enjoy anal sex, either as a top or a bottom? I don't see the connection.

Indeed, I was very happy to stumble across this article in my search for the truth of the matter, which pretty much confirmed the hunch I had been harboring all along.

http://www.good.is/post/gay-sex-is-not-anal-sex/

[MuscularTophFan]

Incidentally, does it annoy gay men as much as it does me when people equate homosexuality, or rather gay sex with sodomy (anal sex). To me, it seems like a grand generalization that trivializes the complexity and diversity of sexual expression inherent in all sexual orientations. I mean, as a straight person, I can't exactly speak to this issue from experience, but (if you'll allow a hypothetical) if I was in fact gay, why does that mean I would automatically enjoy anal sex, either as a top or a bottom? I don't see the connection.

What's wrong with anal sex?:confused:

[¿Que?]

What's wrong with anal sex?:confused:
I'm biting my tongue here, because the question you pose bears no relevance to the point I was making.

I am not criticizing anal sex. I have no problem with people engaging in anal sex if they so choose. I understand that there are some risk factors to such activities, even using protection, but that is an individual's right to make. I in no way support sodomy laws or anything like that.

What I was saying is that equating gay sex with anal sex is a mistake. It ignores the diversity of sexual practices that people, gay, straight or otherwise may engage in. In other words, it's a stereotype of gay people that they automatically enjoy or engage in anal sex.

As a person who is interested in equality, I believe stereotypes like this are ultimately harmful.

Does that make more sense now?

[human strike]

The development of ideas of perversion and sodomy is closely linked to the development of capitalism. Bourgeois logic and ideology reduced sex to a matter (re)production. (Federici)

[MuscularTophFan]

I'm biting my tongue here, because the question you pose bears no relevance to the point I was making.

I am not criticizing anal sex. I have no problem with people engaging in anal sex if they so choose. I understand that there are some risk factors to such activities, even using protection, but that is an individual's right to make. I in no way support sodomy laws or anything like that.

Isn't the term "sodomy" an Christian term anyway? I don't like the term "sodomy."


What I was saying is that equating gay sex with anal sex is a mistake. It ignores the diversity of sexual practices that people, gay, straight or otherwise may engage in. In other words, it's a stereotype of gay people that they automatically enjoy or engage in anal sex.

As a person who is interested in equality, I believe stereotypes like this are ultimately harmful.
I don't think it's a stereotype. More heterosexual couples engage in anal sex than homosexual couples. I don't care if it's a stereotype anyway. There is nothing wrong with anal sex and nothing to be ashamed of.

[¿Que?]

Isn't the term "sodomy" an Christian term anyway? I don't like the term "sodomy."
Yeah, probably. I guess I shouldn't have used that term.



I don't think it's a stereotype. More heterosexual couples engage in anal sex than homosexual couples. I don't care if it's a stereotype anyway. There is nothing wrong with anal sex and nothing to be ashamed of.
Well, to say it isn't a stereotype is probably incorrect. To me it is clearly a stereotype. In hetereosexist language, being gay and "taking it up the butt" are almost synonymous. I really don't see how this is a good thing.

But then again, I'm not gay, so I don't know. If it doesn't bother you, then I guess you answered my question. I guess I'll try not to let it annoy me any more.

[human strike]

It bothers me too, ¿Que?. It bothers me that anal sex is synonymous with gay sex when men regardless of their sexuality may find pleasure from it, and it bothers me that sex is so rigidly defined as penetrative. Again this notion came about with the development of capitalism like I mentioned earlier. Sex should probably be defined as a certain touching of skin and the idea of erogenous zones extended in popular consciousness to (potentially) the entire body. And, imho, sexual categories done away with.

[¿Que?]

It bothers me too, ¿Que?. It bothers me that anal sex is synonymous with gay sex when men regardless of their sexuality may find pleasure from it, and it bothers me that sex is so rigidly defined as penetrative. Again this notion came about with the development of capitalism like I mentioned earlier. Sex should probably be defined as a certain touching of skin and the idea of erogenous zones extended in popular consciousness to (potentially) the entire body. And, imho, sexual categories done away with.
That's exactly the point I was trying to make, albeit maybe a bit less eloquently on my part. I guess I missed the point of your first response.

[Comrade Trollface]

Was the poll's inclusion of 'heterosexual' and exclusion of 'cisgender' a conscious choice or an accidental inconsistency?

[Leftsolidarity]

Incidentally, does it annoy gay men as much as it does me when people equate homosexuality, or rather gay sex with sodomy (anal sex). To me, it seems like a grand generalization that trivializes the complexity and diversity of sexual expression inherent in all sexual orientations. I mean, as a straight person, I can't exactly speak to this issue from experience, but (if you'll allow a hypothetical) if I was in fact gay, why does that mean I would automatically enjoy anal sex, either as a top or a bottom? I don't see the connection.

Indeed, I was very happy to stumble across this article in my search for the truth of the matter, which pretty much confirmed the hunch I had been harboring all along.

http://www.good.is/post/gay-sex-is-not-anal-sex/

Yes. Very very much so.

I don't exactly view myself as a cisgender male but that is my sex. I view myself as genderqueer or something like that, I'm still dealing with my gender identity and don't really talk about it to anyone other than a few close friends so I take on the "male" gender publicly but am openly pan-sexual. It annoys me to a great degree when people equate that to meaning that I enjoy giving or receiving anal sex from other males. I don't even know if I would because I've never done that with another male and am honestly a little nervous about it. It's not what I really think of about other males. Then it's as if it's some secret that all queer people have on whether they give or take that for some reason many people are nosey enough to inquire about like they want to be let in on our big queer secret. Then when I say "idk" or "haven't done that" it's as if I don't actually qualify as queer.

There's much more to attraction, no matter the gender, than just penetration.

[MuscularTophFan]

My boyfriend claims he is 95% gay and 5% straight.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

My boyfriend claims he is 95% gay and 5% straight.

Weird way to say Bisexual.

[Rottenfruit]

Pansexual = Attracted to everyone (male, female, other, etc)

Whats the diffrence of Pansexual and bisexual then? :confused:

[Human Lefts]

Whats the diffrence of Pansexual and bisexual then? :confused:

Pansexuals don't care much for the other's sex. They care for the person. Bisexuals consider sex (male or female), but are down for either while considering other things.

[Human Lefts]

I wish there were a mostly heterosexual identity cause sometimes I look at a dude and think he's hot, but then again, I wish there were as many identities as there are people.

[TheGodlessUtopian]

I wish there were a mostly heterosexual identity cause sometimes I look at a dude and think he's hot, but then again, I wish there were as many identities as there are people.

There, more or less, are it is just we have these neat little boxes in order to know where everyone stands in society.By standard definition I would call you Bisexual if you have an attraction to the same sex.

[mist]

Asexual and female.

[Fnord]

For some of us, this question may be more vague due to the popular model of sexuality and gender imposed on society, I'll only explain if someone wants me to, but anyways!
I chose heterosexual, bisexual, pansexual, gender queer, gender fluid, androgyne and agender. I wasn't sure yet if third or forth would be applicable so I clicked it anyway, though I forgot to click crossdresser too. No, I am not confused, I just gave my completely honest answer the best I could under the current definitions of "self". ;)
I also found it very much interesting that gender fluid is the highest ranked gender-wise.

[Rottenfruit]

Alright What the heck is third and forth sexuality, and i still dont get the difference between pansexuality and bisexaulity.

[Leftsolidarity]

Alright What the heck is third and forth sexuality,

TGA described it to me pretty well a long time ago I believe.


and i still dont get the difference between pansexuality and bisexaulity.

Pansexuality = Attraction to all genders

Bi-sexuality = Attraction to strictly male and female genders

There are more than just the 2 genders that a lot of western culture pushes (male and female). There are people who lie somewhere in between, flow between them, switch them, have a completely different gender (which would be third and fourth), etc. So pan-sexuals (like me) are attracted to people no matter what their gender is while bi-sexuals would only be attracted to either the male or female genders.

Does that help at all?