Why did the Soviet Union keep quite on the holocaust?

[Blanquist]

I have read through some soviet era books (in Russian) that mention WWII and in most there is not much mention of the holocaust.

I mean in western books its always there, everyone knows about it. If you ask someone about Hitler then one of the first things that comes to mind is his persecution of the Jews.

I asked some older Russians about it and they said they knew there were camps but they didn't know about the 'holocaust' until the 1990's. They knew there were camps with all kinds of people but not Jews specifically.

Why was this? Was it because of anti-semetic state policy in the Soviet Union?

[Omsk]

I really hope you are joking.



I asked some older Russians about it and they said they knew there were camps but they didn't know about the 'holocaust'


This 100% true story is definite proof that the Soviet Union hated Jews.



If you ask someone about Hitler then one of the first things that comes to mind is his persecution of the Jews.




If you ask someone in Eastern Europe about Hitler,they in the 99% of the cases first think of the genocide in Russia and other Slav countries.

[Ocean Seal]

I have read through some soviet era books (in Russian) that mention WWII and in most there is not much mention of the holocaust.

I mean in western books its always there, everyone knows about it. If you ask someone about Hitler then one of the first things that comes to mind is his persecution of the Jews.

I asked some older Russians about it and they said they knew there were camps but they didn't know about the 'holocaust' until the 1990's. They knew there were camps with all kinds of people but not Jews specifically.

Why was this? Was it because of anti-semetic state policy in the Soviet Union?
The camps were not specifically for Jews, they also included Roma, communists, social-democrats, the disabled, homosexuals, etc. One terrible thing that has happened in the west is forgetting all of the other peoples who died alongside the Jews in Nazi death camps.

[Blanquist]

I really hope you are joking.



This 100% true story is definite proof that the Soviet Union hated Jews.



If you ask someone in Eastern Europe about Hitler,they in the 99% of the cases first think of the genocide in Russia and other Slav countries.


It is a true story, I asked Russian people and that's what they told me. Why would I make that up? And don't put words in my mouth and assume a bunch of shit. It's the learning section and I'm just asking a question.

There was a genocide of 6 million Jews. It's a pretty big deal. It's glossed over and doesn't even appear in some soviet era books I have looked at.

I don't know the history very well but I think most of those jews were from Eastern Europe and many of the camps as well. I know Auschwitz was a death camp that was liberated by the Soviet Union, I expected these things to be emphasized in Soviet books.

Why aren't they? Is it because of the antisemitism in the Soviet Union? Some other reason?

You haven't provided an answer.

[Lanky Wanker]

If you ask someone in Eastern Europe about Hitler,they in the 99% of the cases first think of the genocide in Russia and other Slav countries.

Yet we have Eastern European neo-Nazis...

[Omsk]

Here is the answer: Your question is baseless.How many books did you read?Which books?Who were the authors?Who did publish them?

If you want an answer at least come up with a question.

[The Young Pioneer]

I mean in western books its always there, everyone knows about it. If you ask someone about Hitler then one of the first things that comes to mind is his persecution of the Jews.

I asked some older Russians about it and they said they knew there were camps but they didn't know about the 'holocaust' until the 1990's. They knew there were camps with all kinds of people but not Jews specifically.


I can't explain why whatever book you read didn't mention Hitler's camps *at all*, but if it did so without focusing on Jews and rather on Slavs or communists, it would make sense. Though your question is a bit naive. Think of the US and its politics. Something like 28 million civilians (Please guys, don't make this a numbers argument, it's just a big number, k?) died in WWII, and who does the US care about? Only about 6 million. Hmm.

Anyway, all regions/countries sort of have different nationalist versions of history, so it shouldn't be so surprising.

[Blanquist]

Here is the answer: Your question is baseless.How many books did you read?Which books?Who were the authors?Who did publish them?

If you want an answer at least come up with a question.

Oh, so you think I made it up?

It's obvious you know nothing about this subject so this question really isn't for.

[The Young Pioneer]

Yet we have Eastern European neo-Nazis...

WTF does that have to do with anything? Some individuals in Eastern Europe sided with the Nazis, and just about every country today has a Neo-Nazi group somewhere (at least in those states where it isn't banned). Mostly it's just lame angry racists who'd be that way regardless.

Thanks for de-railing the convo, though.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

Oh, so you think I made it up?

It's obvious you know nothing about this subject so this question really isn't for.

No, but we can't argue with your books if we don't know which books you are talking about.

[Omsk]

What kind of books did you read? School books?University ones? Non-fiction books from historians? Collected works of historians?

[Blanquist]

No, but we can't argue with your books if we don't know which books you are talking about.


What kind of books did you read? School books?University ones? Non-fiction books from historians? Collected works of historians?

How about any one of them? How about any single book officially published in the Soviet Union, in Russian, that mentions WWII?

Does that satisfy everyone?

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

How about any one of them? How about any single book officially published in the Soviet Union, in Russian, that mentions WWII?

Does that satisfy everyone?

No, I highly douby you have read every book.
Just give us the titles and authors so we can actually read it and argue about it.

[Blanquist]

What kind of books did you read? School books?University ones? Non-fiction books from historians? Collected works of historians?


No, I highly douby you have read every book.
Just give us the titles and authors so we can actually read it and argue about it.

ugh, do you really not understand? re-read the OP

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

I have read through some soviet era books (in Russian) that mention WWII and in most there is not much mention of the holocaust.



How about any one of them? How about any single book officially published in the Soviet Union, in Russian, that mentions WWII?

Does that satisfy everyone?
In your first post you say some books, now ou say every single one of them.
How can you expect us to give an answer if you do not give any source whatsoever.

[Omsk]

If we are talking about School-Books,or University level ones,the Holocaust has got to be mentioned.

If we are talking about author books or works,it depends on the subject,and still,i doubt they would somehow : "leave out the holocaust".

Why? Because the USSR had a large Jewish population,and it would be impossible to 'forget' the holocaust.

[Blanquist]

If we are talking about School-Books,or University level ones,the Holocaust has got to be mentioned.

If we are talking about author books or works,it depends on the subject,and still,i doubt they would somehow : "leave out the holocaust".

Why? Because the USSR had a large Jewish population,and it would be impossible to 'forget' the holocaust.

wow man, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend you, this is the learning section and I'm trying to get an answer to a question but you came in kinda hostile but I see now you just don't have a clue.

Seriously, I don't mean to offend. I kinda don't want this thread to turn into teaching you basic facts, you should do some basic research or start your own thread.

My question is still the same, "Why?" not "did?"

It's like me asking "why did Hitler invade Poland?" and someone coming in saying "who says Hitler invaded Poland? I doubt that very much"

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

wow man, I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend you, this is the learning section and I'm trying to get an answer to a question but you came in kinda hostile but I see now you just don't have a clue.

Seriously, I don't mean to offend. I kinda don't want this thread to turn into teaching you basic facts, you should do some basic research or start your own thread.

My question is still the same, "Why?" not "did?"

It's like me asking "why did Hitler invade Poland?" and someone coming in saying "who says Hitler invaded Poland? I doubt that very much"

There is proof that Hitler invaded Poland, you have given absolutely zero proof of your claim, Instead you only say you read some books and spoke to some people.

[Blanquist]

There is proof that Hitler invaded Poland, you have given absolutely zero proof of your claim, Instead you only say you read some books and spoke to some people.

OK, you really derailed my thread but I will play along.

Asking me to tell you which books omit the systematic elimination of jews is absurd as nearly all omit it.

It was Soviet policy, official state policy, to refer to the Holocaust in Russia as atrocities against Soviet citizens, and to not mention that there was a genocide specifically of the Jews.

This is a very basic fact and I'm very sorry that you are only now learning about it. I suggest you Google it, and research it.

Maybe then you can come up with a good idea 'why' this was their policy and then you can come back and enlighten me.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

OK, you really derailed my thread but I will play along.

Asking me to tell you which books omit the systematic elimination of jews is absurd as nearly all omit it.

It was Soviet policy, official state policy, to refer to the Holocaust in Russia as atrocities against Soviet citizens, and to not mention that there was a genocide specifically of the Jews.

This is a very basic fact and I'm very sorry that you are only now learning about it. I suggest you Google it, and research it.

Maybe then you can come up with a good idea 'why' this was their policy and then you can come back and enlighten me.

What is so hard about just saying which books you have read?
Also can you give proof (Sorry, I know you don't like it when people ask you to back up your claims) about this state policy?

[#FF0000]

you're asking 'why is this a thing' and people are telling you they've never heard such a thing. idk what else you want, honestly.

[Blanquist]

you're asking 'why is this a thing' and people are telling you they've never heard such a thing. idk what else you want, honestly.

maybe someone who has heard will have an idea.

it isnt really a burning question for me so i don't mind a lack of discussion.

[#FF0000]

Oh I see.

Well yeah, I dunno why the USSR'd 'keep quiet' on the holocaust. I don't see a reason for it either way as the USSR did had a significant Jewish population, so I doubt that there's some nefarious, anti-semitic reason behind it. My total guess would be that the war, in general, was pretty much a giant atrocity to everyone on the Eastern Front, you know? So the extermination of the Jews in particular was just another Nazi atrocity.

[Sir Comradical]

Why would the Soviets deny a genocide they themselves were victims of?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_the_USSR

[Blanquist]

Why would the Soviets deny a genocide they themselves were victims of?

Well I wouldn't use the word 'holocaust denial' but that is exactly the question I pose in the OP.