Simple question

[Crusader 4 da truth]

How many of you use E-Bay?

[synthesis]

Wow, it's been awhile.

I do not use Ebay.

[Urban Rubble]

No, but sometimes I think it could be really usefull. No credit card though.

[Crusader 4 da truth]

A year, DyerMaker with classes winding down I had some free time on my hands. I was shocked that my ID still worked.

I see they’ve revamped the site a bit.

[(*]

No. But I almost did.

I will use it at some point in the future though.

[IHP]

Mr. Truth. Yes indeed it's been a long time. Still a die hard Reaganite/

And no, I haven't used eBay. Why do you ask?

[The Feral Underclass]

your looking in the wrong direction....the truth is over there!!!

[EneME]

Nope never have...my brother did once and they stole his $...so now I wouldn't feel safe using it

[canikickit]

How come I don't remember this guy...........?

Anyway, I've never used E Bay, but I wouldn't have a problem with doing so.

[Crusader 4 da truth]

OK, nobody responded that they had but several of you seemed ambivalent about E-bay and a few even stated that they would use it in the future. The real question is why would you willing participate in the expansion the free market to cyberspace? Can you not resist the lure of a good bargain, even at the expense of your ideology?

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by Crusader 4 da [email protected] 8 2003, 12:33 PM
Can you not resist the lure of a good bargain, even at the expense of your ideology?
What's the difference if I buy a digital camera in a shop or on E-Bay? None, of course.

The fact that we live in a capitalist society means that we have to participate in capitalism to some extent. Every camera I know of is made by some sort of company, like most other products.

[EneME]

:lol: I love the fact that he got moded (is that how its spelled?) as if we were all going to say "oh yes I love Ebay." By the way, I rather buy my goods from a regular person than some corporation who exploits its workers while the assholes on top eat caviar and filet mignon....

[(*]

Originally posted by Crusader 4 da [email protected] 7 2003, 08:33 PM
OK, nobody responded that they had but several of you seemed ambivalent about E-bay and a few even stated that they would use it in the future. The real question is why would you willing participate in the expansion the free market to cyberspace? Can you not resist the lure of a good bargain, even at the expense of your ideology?
I wanna use it to sell dirty laundry. I'm too lazy to wash 'em

[Bolshevika]

Crusader 4 da truth: Get out of my state you right-wing bastard. Go back to Miami.

Anyway, I've only purchased books over ebay, not really anything else.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

E bay for me is like all other online shopping-a last resort.Since I don't have a credit card I rarely use internet shopping.However,I did use E bay once to get a green mao cap.

[Crusader 4 da truth]

Wow Bolshevika! Apparently, I hit a nerve with that last question. I am not a bastard (Both of my parents are still married thank you very much) nor have I ever lived in Miami. Do have any other ad hominem attacks you would like to hurl? If you cannot handle a debate I suggest you stop posting on the opposing views part of the forum and stick to other parts of the board. Or if you are so offended by my presence in this board (or in NY) you can simply ignore my posts. However, some of your comrades want to debate their ideas, and it would be wrong for you to deny them that.

From now on I will not be responding to any posts that insult me rather then debating the thought at hand.

[Crusader 4 da truth]

Now back to the issue at hand, Comrade James* you ask


What's the difference if I buy a digital camera in a shop or on E-Bay? None, of course

But I believe your comrade EneME* answered the question


I rather buy my goods from a regular person than some corporation who exploits its workers while the assholes on top eat caviar and filet mignon....

EneME is coherent in his beliefs and he has pointed out a contradiction in your logic. He could have gone even further by pointing out that what was once a tool for linking computers and enabling humans to interact and express themselves in amazing new ways, the internet has become corrupted by large corporations like E-bay who seek to use it as a means of commerce, and therefore a true communist should oppose the expansion of capitalism into cyberspace.

Your second point intrigues me.


The fact that we live in a capitalist society means that we have to participate in capitalism to some extent. Every camera I know of is made by some sort of company, like most other products.

This is true to an extent but a camera is hardly one of lives necessities, you could make the choice not to purchase it and thereby not supporting companies and the system you so despise.

Further no one is stopping you from not participating if you wanted to take some of your comrades from Che-lives and form a commune you could completely extricate yourself from the free-market system.

The problem I have is when you try and force me to do the same. I like digital cameras and enjoy getting a good deal on one and I don’t even mind if some one or some entity (i.e. big scary corporations) makes a profit in the deal.

*Two things where frequently occurrenced when I posted here in the past: ad hominem attacks, and the charge that I was picking on people by responding directly to them. I do not intend to pick on anyone I simply want people that respond to my posts and further develop their ideas. That being said I’m sorry I can’t respond to everybody’s posts but I do have time constraints.

[DEPAVER]

Never

[Blackberry]

But I believe your comrade EneME* answered the question

He clearly did not, because I answered my own question. It was a rhetorical question, if you did not notice.


This is true to an extent but a camera is hardly one of lives necessities, you could make the choice not to purchase it and thereby not supporting companies and the system you so despise.

Further no one is stopping you from not participating if you wanted to take some of your comrades from Che-lives and form a commune you could completely extricate yourself from the free-market system.

So what if it isn't a necessity? Hardly anything is, except food. So what? I want to live a life with a few possessions that I do not need, but want. I am not going to cut myself off from friends and live in a commune for the sake of 'cutting' myself off from capitalism. Did you even realise that a commune would be under the jurisdiction of the state, anyway?

By the way, even most food is barely attainable without buying from some sort of capitalist entity.

I freely admit that I participate under the system of capitalism, like everyone else does, and that includes the state capitalist Cuba. It cannot be helped if I want to survive. A few vegetables at a commune will not help me survive. Plus there is the fact that I desire some wants, like I mentioned earlier. And this can be achieved by fighting for a society that is free of capitalism and hierarchy, so the problem of participating wouldn't be a problem any longer.


You seem to think that I am only looking out for my own good too, which you must believe as it led you to suggest establishing a commune. You do not realise that I wish for a free society for the benefit of the entire proletariate. Thus I have no business living at a commune, cutting myself from the rest of the world. I feel it my duty to help with the struggle, and mix myself up in the world, and continue learning what the current world is all about.



the internet has become corrupted by large corporations like E-bay who seek to use it as a means of commerce,

I know this, thus my original statement... "What's the difference if I buy a digital camera in a shop or on E-Bay? None, of course."


and therefore a true communist should oppose the expansion of capitalism into cyberspace.

This is irrelevant to the sentence. Here you are, explaining how E-Bay is capitalist (which we all know of), and you come in saying this, which does not mke sense in the context.


And no-one speaks for me but myself. EneME does not speak for me, and I do not speak for them. Your linking us together as though we are speaking from the same side is ridiculous.

I do not believe there is much difference buying a product from a large corporation on E-Bay than an individual user with some items to sell for profit. The only difference is that one is the lesser evil. This is what I think EneME means by rather wanting to buy from an individual. They are the 'lesser evil'. He did not contradict what I said at all.

[Crusader 4 da truth]

He clearly did not, because I answered my own question. It was a rhetorical question, if you did not notice

I realize you posed you a rhetorical question but your answered it incorrectly as EneMe and I pointed out there is a difference.


Did you even realise that a commune would be under the jurisdiction of the state

Sure unless you move the state will always play apart in your affairs but you could limit its impact and the impact of the evil corporations that you hate buy forming a commune. Hippies do actually do this sort of thing they purchase the land plant crops and have animals and produce what they need rather then purchasing it in the free market system. Since they don’t have incomes they don’t pay any federal income taxes. So they live outside the system in a communal society. They do give up modern comforts and conveniences that capitalism affords, but they gain the comfort of knowing they are not “exploiting” others.


By the way, even most food is barely attainable without buying from some sort of capitalist entity

I agree farmers generally don’t plant crops to give them away usually the do all of that work to sell them on the market and make a profit.


I desire some wants, like I mentioned earlier. And this can be achieved by fighting for a society that is free of capitalism and hierarchy, so the problem of participating wouldn't be a problem any longer.

OK I understand that you want the whole system to collapse, but what your are saying is in the mean time its ok to exploit workers and enrich greedy corporations so I can have my digital camera? Seems like a small sacrifice to make for worker solidarity and the proletariat.


You seem to think that I am only looking out for my own good too, which you must believe as it led you to suggest establishing a commune. You do not realise that I wish for a free society for the benefit of the entire proletariate

That’s fine but what you have to understand the majority does not believe what you do they do not believe that following Marxism will lead to utopia, So that why you must convince them through debate and logic, or try and take people that do believe as you do an implement this society now. Here on earth and hopefully when others see what is possible they will form their own communes shunning corporations and capitalism will collapse.



the internet has become corrupted by large corporations like E-bay who seek to use it as a means of commerce,


I know this, thus my original statement... "What's the difference if I buy a digital camera in a shop or on E-Bay? None, of course."

Why add fuel to the fire?


do not believe there is much difference buying a product from a large corporation on E-Bay than an individual user with some items to sell for profit. The only difference is that one is the lesser evil. This is what I think EneME means by rather wanting to buy from an individual. They are the 'lesser evil'. He did not contradict what I said at all

I’m glad you are finally admitting there is a difference; So you choice to buy from the greater evil is that it?

[ComradeRobertRiley]

No never used it, never felt inclined to use it either.

I have bought things from the internet before just not via e-bay.