A list of groups against which open racism is excusable on the left

[The Machine]

For convinces sake:

-Cuban-Americans
-Korean-Americans

feel free to add more

[Zostrianos]

Enjoy your ban

[Manic Impressive]

I don't understand :confused:

[The Machine]

Im just going by what I see. People labeling the entire Cuban-American community gusanos, excusing brutal attacks against Koreans and Latinos in the LA riot thread. Im not trolling, some of you are just fucked in the head and need someone to call you on it.

[Ostrinski]

bye

[NewLeft]

A radical calling for racism?

[The Machine]

Whatever dude. Too many of you are just straight up bigots and dont even realize it because within the context of the modern leftist scene you pick on the right groups.

[Ostrinski]

Don't feed the troll.

Thread closed.

[NewLeft]

I don't remember anyone defending the attacks.

[The Machine]

Im not trolling motherfucker Im dead ass serious. Look at any thread on Cuba and tell me theres not some shit going on. Look at the fucking LA Riot thread. Sorry the thread titles provocative I guess but its something that needs to be addressed.

[NewLeft]

I\'m not trolling motherfucker I\'m dead ass serious. Look at any thread on Cuba and tell me theres not some shit going on. Look at the fucking LA Riot thread. Sorry the thread titles provocative I guess but its something that needs to be addressed.
Bring up a post from that thread that defends racism.

[Ele'ill]

I'm still trying to read this thread title

[The Machine]

I don\'t remember anyone defending the attacks.

Its not so much of a defense as an excuse. People talking about how theres more going on or whatever, a class analysis is fine but the fact of the matter is the attacks were racially motivated and racism is something you cant brush aside as a side effect of workers anger.

[NewLeft]

Its not so much of a defense as an excuse. People talking about how theres more going on or whatever, a class analysis is fine but the fact of the matter is the attacks were racially motivated and racism is something you cant brush aside as a side effect of workers anger.
Class reductionism =/= excusing racism.

[The Machine]

Bring up a post from that thread that defends racism.

Its the excuses that bug me, its obviously not a straight up defense of it. But from cmoneys post theres an attitude of \"Oh they were petite bourgeois so they had it coming\". The response to that was that latinos were attacked too, as though there are no asian workers.
Then Jimmie Higgins comes in with the excuses again. Im not accusing these people of racism, but I think their attitudes in this instance is racist or in the least excusing racism.

[NewLeft]

Its the excuses that bug me, its obviously not a straight up defense of it. But from cmoneys post theres an attitude of \"Oh they were petite bourgeois so they had it coming\". The response to that was that latinos were attacked too, as though there are no asian workers.
Then Jimmie Higgins comes in with the excuses again. Im not accusing these people of racism, but I think their attitudes in this instance is racist or in the least excusing racism.
You have a point.. But they don't represent the left.

[The Machine]

Class reductionism =/= excusing racism.

If you say so dude. It sure seemed like it to me. Like it seems like white people dont give a shit when nonwhites die except for at the hands of a white guy. When a white cop kills a black kid, its all moralism and solidarity with the black community, but when non whites kill each other over race its back to the mechanistic class analysis.

[The Machine]

You have a point.. But they don\'t represent the left.

yeah i was gonna write revleft but im

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[NewLeft]

If you say so dude. It sure seemed like it to me. Like it seems like white people dont give a shit when nonwhites die except for at the hands of a white guy. When a white cop kills a black kid, its all moralism and solidarity with the black community, but when non whites kill each other over race its back to the mechanistic class analysis.
I'm not sure if it's "racism" rather than xenophobia, as "racism" is structural. You're right about the fallback to class analysis.. It's ideological, but also because no one wants to cross that line (especially if they're white).

That does not mean that I deny racism on a personal level.. That song black korea or whatever it's called is racist.

[The Machine]

oh and if your a honky motherfucker in the midwest its not ok to call every cuban in this country a guano just because fidel said it 40 years ago. eat a dick.

i think thats all i really have to say tonight.

[Ostrinski]

Good night and please don't wake up.

[The Machine]

luh u too

but i mean I\'m sorry you hate cubans or something </3

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

eat a dick.
You say that like there's something wrong with it.

[The Machine]

its not the preferred technique is all Im saying

[Veovis]

its not the preferred technique is all Im saying

I disagree.

[Lee Van Cleef]

Why on earth would The Machine get banned for this? He is not advocating racism. In fact, he is doing the opposite. He is pointing out the acceptance of latent racist attitudes among leftists.

This issue has been raised several times within the last few weeks, and curiously, it has been repeatedly dismissed by some of the same people.

Earlier today someone linked this story (http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/03/cleveland_texas_gang_rape_horror.html) from a black woman criticizing the black community's unwarranted defense of rapists who attacked a Latina girl. The piece has been largely written off, with one person calling the article "race-baiting."

A few weeks ago someone posted a video of a white guy getting attacked by a group of black people, and it was brushed off as a totally normal occurrence that only garnered attention because this victim was white.

Both of these are examples of latent racism, a byproduct of our enculturation into a society with systemic racism. These deep-seated, subtle elements of capitalist hegemony are often the hardest to clear out of our minds. As the author of the above article says, "this double standard also renders black men and boys as victims of their own sexuality [or temperment]."

Thus, violence becomes thought of as "normal behavior" for poor minorities. It is only when violence crosses racial lines that many people recognize the brutality involved in these crimes. Then, instead of reflecting on this and discussing what can be done to combat violence, most people on this forum cry "race-baiting" and revert back to the old hegemonic idea that same-race violence is just normal, every day behavior within certain communities.

We must be more critical. Of the social construct that is race, of the endemic violence present in all classes and ethnic communities, and of ourselves.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

koreans were victims of racially charged attacks in the LA riots. it is however a point of contention as far as i know whether poc are capable of committing acts of racial oppression, given that they do not comand the social power which disntinguishes prejudice from racism. my personal opinion on this matter is that poc can be racist against other poc by contributing to the mechanisms of social oppression and exclusion which have been put in place by the white power structure. white people, of course, cannot be victims of racism that much is self evident.

cuban-americans are sometimes confused with a political movement based in south fla made up of bourgeois cuban exiles, or gusanos. many people believe that all cuban americans belong to this group, which is untrue. this should be clarified. i know some cubans who emigrated from the island to other countries and later to the united states and have little in common with the ultra reactionary scum. i know others who were taken to the US as children and also have nothing in common with the right-wing militants.

[bricolage]

Why on earth would The Machine get banned for this? He is not advocating racism. In fact, he is doing the opposite. He is pointing out the acceptance of latent racist attitudes among leftists.
mmm, yeah.
I mean you don't have to agree with what he's saying (I don't particularly) but it seems most people here haven't actually tried to understand it and have just resorted to screaming racist... which is completely missing the point.

[Ocean Seal]

For convinces sake:

-Cuban-Americans
-Korean-Americans

feel free to add more
Cuban-Americans are not an ethnicity. Cubans and Cuban-Americans don't share any different blood. Their marches calling for the US to invade Cuba (I understand that not all of them participate in this, but quite a few of them do) are pretty fucking annoying. As is their persistent racism against black Cubans.



When a white cop kills a black kid, its all moralism and solidarity with the black community
Whenever a cop kills a kid, its solidarity with that community. If a cop kills a white kid minding his own business I'll be the first to drag my ass to defend his justice.



But when non whites kill each other over race its back to the mechanistic class analysis.
Whenever any groups kill each other en masse you should apply a class analysis. When whites kill blacks that's still part of the class analysis, and btw those who rioted thorugh LA shouldn't be commended because it was a fucking race riot.


oh and if your a honky motherfucker in the midwest its not ok to call every cuban in this country a guano just because fidel said it 40 years ago. eat a dick.
i think thats all i really have to say tonight.
Any Cuban who advocates US invasion of Cuba is a gusano as far as I'm concerned.

[The Young Pioneer]

lol I dunno, I kinda like this kid.

[Raúl Duke]

Im just going by what I see. People labeling the entire Cuban-American community gusanos, excusing brutal attacks against Koreans and Latinos in the LA riot thread. Im not trolling, some of you are just fucked in the head and need someone to call you on it.

You're over-generalizing, just like these alleged leftists you accuse.

It's true that among some it may be common to label the Cuban American community in Miami as "gusanos" and "counter-revolutionary" but usually those leftists tend to be uninformed/unknowledgeable, don't live in Florida (to be more specific, don't live in Miami), and/or etc.

But more reasonable people, leftists, do not blanket-generalize entire ethnic groups. While it's true that many of the older generations and leaders within the Cuban-American community in Miami are right-wing/reactionary the average Cuban-American is a multi-faceted group. There are many working class Cuban-Americans from places like Hialeah who are not right-wing and may even be leftist to some degree (typically not the Leninist variety).

[The Machine]

yeah plus most young people of any nationality dont give a fuck about politics period and old irrelevant reactionaries in miami arent representative of an entire ethnic group.

and Ocean Seal are you seriously so reactionary that youre bringing \"blood\" into this? race and racism are social constructs dummy

[Homo Songun]

Here's me thinking gusano was a political term rather than a racial slur. :(

btw, the wiktionary entry is awesome:


Etymology
Medieval Basque *zizani ‘worm’ (cf. modern Basque zizain).
Noun
gusano m (plural gusanos)
1. A worm
2. An insect larva, such as a grub or caterpillar
3. A maggot
4. (Cuba, derogatory) A person who has defected from Cuba

There you have it, scientific evidence that counter-revolutionary defectors are lower than worms, larvae, and maggots in the Great Chain of Being. What exactly is the issue?

[Os Cangaceiros]

A lot of Cubans in the USA came to the country as a result of the downturn in the Cuban economy during the 90's. I think there is some grain of truth to the claim that *some* leftists constructed a mythology in which basically all Cubans in the USA are "Cuban kulaks", gusanos who fled terrified from Cuba when they saw that their privilege might be affected by Castro.