Immaturity or just plain rude?

[Avocado]

Why are some people just so rude on here? I notice on a huge number of threads that people will make disparaging comments about someone or something someone has said without any real cause or need.

I personally think that it is because many of those culprits are immature: schoolboys or just young adults with either no manners or lack of life experience. If they acted like this in real life situations, they would likely get a punch in the nose as a thank you.

Making your point can be done without attacking the person - Ad hominem

[Jimmie Higgins]

Youth may have something to do with it, but take a look at the comments section in a US newspaper and RevLeft looks like an etiquette school by comparison (granted in those comments it's a range of various viewpoints from liberal to conservative to libertarian and racist (or a mixture of those). I think it's partly just non-face-to-face debating on the internet that causes some of the unnecessary rudeness.

[dodger]

I have already written to some of the parents.

NO Revleft...until you learn some manners!!

Imagine that incorrigible scoundrel Elysian,as good as stated my posts were influenced by Marijuana.

Colonel Cossack who lacks any of the graces and good breeding of his Mother said I was incoherent. His mother hinted he was 'going through a phase'.

A simple solution set up a sting operation..send out an invitation to all the young people who post on Revleft. As lure, we say they have won a competition to meet a rock star or member of a musical combo. Is Michael Jackson still popular? Then as each one comes through the door we can handcuff them. Beat them with lead pipe. Send them home better people. That will cure them of their damnable audacity.:cursing::cursing::cursing:

[Avocado]

NO Revleft...until you learn some manners!!



Perhaps, please mind your manners whilst you are on Revleft (or when interacting in general)

[Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant']

One of the main things that puts me off posting, apart from my general ignorance.

Hate the capacity for visciousness that anonymous posting on forums brings out of people. YouTube is worse of course, but this place has some pretty unpleasant and vindictive people on it.

Or perhaps I should relax and just ignore the trolls and infants..but easier said

[dodger]

There's no ruder moment or awakening than when the carefully constructed argument you set out the night before is demolished in a short sharp phrase or two. Albeit delivered in a civil manner.

[Left Leanings]

Youth may have something to do with it, but take a look at the comments section in a US newspaper and RevLeft looks like an etiquette school by comparison (granted in those comments it's a range of various viewpoints from liberal to conservative to libertarian and racist (or a mixture of those). I think it's partly just non-face-to-face debating on the internet that causes some of the unnecessary rudeness.

I think this is true to a large extent.

When I was young, to be a left wing activist, was to present yourself in person. There were few computers at the university. The only computer I used was in the library, to see if a book was stocked. It didn't even tell you if it was in, or whether someone had checked it out. Just if the library actually had the book.

I knew only two students with computers, and these were word processors really. There was no internet available so far as I was aware, and certainly not in student accommodation or classrooms.

If you wanted to be a smartarse at a meeting, you just came across as a rude and counter-productive nob. And your comrades would soon tell you so.

[Manic Impressive]

I reply to people in a manner that I expect them to give me back. If someone is rude and obnoxious I'll be rude and obnoxious to them. If I'm replying to someone who makes good posts and isn't rude to others without good reason then I'll respond to them in the same manner. I used to try to be nice to everyone but after a while you see there's no point even trying.

[bcbm]

i am powerless in every day life and feel like i have wasted most of my life and am a bitter and vicious alcoholic so i take out all of my pent up rage etc on internet people because in my warped psyche they are not real people

[Os Cangaceiros]

I wouldn't let it get to you. On the internet things get nasty real fast, but they're also forgiven real fast. For me, anyway...I've never understood people who hold "internet grudges".

[Deicide]

Zee Internet is full of assholes and scumbags. And you're correct, most people grow a larger ballsack when communicating over the internet and consequently say things they wouldn't dare say in real life. The internet also dehumanises us, it desensitises us and makes us 'forgot' that we are communicating with another ape with his or her own needs, feelings, blah, blah, and so on.

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

i am powerless in every day life and feel like i have wasted most of my life and am a bitter and vicious alcoholic so i take out all of my pent up rage etc on internet people because in my warped psyche they are not real people

Brother, is that you?

[Drosophila]

Civility tends to be abandoned on the Internet.

[Ostrinski]

lrn2internet

[dodger]

'As for the pleasure in hubris, its cause is this: men think that by ill-treating others they make their own superiority greater.' [Aristotle]


Sad but true.



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[The Douche]

The internet is the only place where out of shape, awkward, introverted, weirdos can reinvent themselves and be whoever they want.

Most of the time, they want to be hard...

[Railyon]

The internet is the only place where out of shape, awkward, introverted, weirdos can reinvent themselves and be whoever they want.

Most of the time, they want to be hard...

>>Insert cheap ML potshot here

[The Douche]

>>Insert cheap ML potshot here

Actually, in my experience, MLs (WWP, PSL, RCP being the main ones I've interacted with) tend to be pretty normal people.

I think its mostly young anarchists that buy into the internet immaturity thing.

[ColonelCossack]

I have already written to some of the parents.

Colonel Cossack who lacks any of the graces and good breeding of his Mother said I was incoherent. His mother hinted he was 'going through a phase'.


That's unfair! I didn't mean it really.

And anyway, I meant it as a compliment... sort of. :thumbup:

[Pretty Flaco]

Most of the time, they want to be hard...

they should go watch some pornos instead.

[southernmissfan]

i am powerless in every day life and feel like i have wasted most of my life and am a bitter and vicious alcoholic so i take out all of my pent up rage etc on internet people because in my warped psyche they are not real people

Man have I been there before. Life, it'll kill ya.

[gorillafuck]

political discourse in general is extremely hostile, I think it's more that than it is the internet.

[gorillafuck]

The internet is the only place where out of shape, awkward, introverted, weirdos can reinvent themselves and be whoever they want.one of the most hilarious things I've noticed about leftist culture, and especially leftist oi hardcore scenester culture, is that it's acceptable to harshly disparage people for not fitting in with society, being geeky, not adjusting well, as long as it isn't racist.

[southernmissfan]

political discourse in general is extremely hostile, I think it's more that than it is the internet.

That's certainly true. The internet makes it more hostile in some cases though, for various reasons already mentioned.

[The Douche]

one of the most hilarious things I've noticed about leftist culture, and especially leftist oi hardcore scenester culture, is that it's acceptable to harshly disparage people for not fitting in with society, being geeky, not adjusting well, as long as it isn't racist.

Well I don't identify as being into "leftist oi" and "leftist hardcore". I don't like much "leftist" music. My politics are also not a part of my lifestyle, really.

I would say neither of those scenes really lend themselves well to leftism. In the oi scene, lleftism is near non-existant, especially here in the states, so much so that there is not even really anything to talk about.

Hardcore, is a whole different animal. One thing thats important to note is that hardcore, since the late 80s has been largely dominated by white males from the suburbs, not the poor street kids who populated the punk scene. Most kids into hardcore come from pretty comfortable lives, go to college, play sports, do "normal people things", they aren't the alienated social outcasts of punk.



I generally don't like people, any people, which is why I assume the worst of them and "harshly disparage" them for any reason. My issue isn't that you're a weird kid who likes to read manga, that is just an easy thing for me to talk shit on.

[Os Cangaceiros]

The weird thing is, of all the people I've met from this site, which I'd say is probably about seven or eight people, all of them were pretty much entirely "normal". Plagueround let me stay a night at his place w/ his wife and son when I was travelling to Seattle; Rascolnikova and her boyfriend and I went out to a bar in Utah; Tablo (before he was banned from this board) was just an ordinary college kid who liked to drink with his friends on the weekend. Those an others I've met didn't really personify the whole intense "leftist nerdario" stereotype that is often put forth here self-deprecatingly as the main population of the board (although I have absolutely no doubt that such people really do exist).

[Rafiq]

Because as far as I'm concerned, most of you have no real personal attributes other than your politics, and that's what you are to me, the embodiment of politics. I'm sure, for example, that if it was in real life I wouldn't be such an asshole, not because of cowardice (I can be an asshole, and am very straight forward) but because you may be a cool person to be around. But this is the internet, deal with it.

[gorillafuck]

Well I don't identify as being into "leftist oi" and "leftist hardcore". I don't like much "leftist" music. My politics are also not a part of my lifestyle, really.ah.


I generally don't like people, any people, which is why I assume the worst of them and "harshly disparage" them for any reason. My issue isn't that you're a weird kid who likes to read manga, that is just an easy thing for me to talk shit on.you view the world this way but would probably get angry if I used the word fag. hate people and try to bring them down, as long as you don't violate leftist rule of conduct.

[Rafiq]

ah.

you view the world this way but would probably get angry if I used the word fag. hate people and try to bring them down, as long as you don't violate leftist rule of conduct.

I don't know, I don't think you have to be a Leftist for this one, for example, some here might have experience befriending actual homosexual people and get offended by the derogatory terms fired against them.

[Os Cangaceiros]

hate people and try to bring them down, as long as you don't violate leftist rule of conduct.

haha kind of true. Some of the self-deprecating humor on this board is funny, but some of it also kind of borders on disturbing judgemental attitudes regarding other people and how they choose to lead their lives. Admittedly I've engaged in some it too (I admit to laughing at Maoist Rebel News, although he brought that on himself a little :D ) but I generally don't like people who tear others down to build themselves up.

[gorillafuck]

the only thing I stand against more than I stand against society is social outcasts

[MarxSchmarx]

Undoubtedly it's a combination of factors.

On the problematic side of things, on revleft to be honest I think rep points and thanks have a lot to do with it. It encourages a sort of "smackdown" attitude.

On the positive side of things, I agree that politics by its very nature can get very heated and a certain amount of rudeness is expected. Also I suspect revleft is one of the few places where people who have radically different views about society come to try and hash it all out. Feathers will be rustled in such a situation.

Finally I hate to admit it but youth is a real factor. Revleft is notorious for its relatively young memebrship. Young people, particularly those with serious convictions (which one needs to reject capitalism in this day and age), are notoriously doctrinaire. Part of it stems from a lack of nuance attributable to a lack of maturity; for all I know hormones might play a part too - I think the general impetuousness and recklessness translate into an ossified dogmatism that is not conducive to consensus building.

But yeah,

i am powerless in every day life and feel like i have wasted most of my life and am a bitter and vicious alcoholic so i take out all of my pent up rage etc on internet people because in my warped psyche they are not real people

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[black magick hustla]

The internet is the only place where out of shape, awkward, introverted, weirdos can reinvent themselves and be whoever they want.

Most of the time, they want to be hard...

no offense i <3 u but a substantial amount of hardtalk in these whereabouts comes from u lol

[black magick hustla]

intense self loathing fuels it a bit for me prolly

[black magick hustla]

although tbh i have the same kind of humor irl i guess im a bitter cynical nerd

[Trap Queen Voxxy]

It's just the internet? Why are emotions and decorum involved? It's all fun and games?

[NewLeft]

i think some people get frustrated of answering the same thing over and over again.

[The Douche]

ah.

you view the world this way but would probably get angry if I used the word fag. hate people and try to bring them down, as long as you don't violate leftist rule of conduct.

Being made fun of things you choose versus being made fun of for shit you're born with.

I make fun of my gay friends all the time, just not for being gay. I don't think that hating on people runs counter to my politics.

[The Douche]

no offense i <3 u but a substantial amount of hardtalk in these whereabouts comes from u lol

I don't think I talk hard that often, I just think people interpret my short/gruff demeanor as acting hard. I also think a lot of people on here come from backgrounds where its very easy to look/sound/be hard in comparison to what they're used to.

[Anarpest]

It's a message board oriented around discussion of politics. There's a reason why many other forums try to ban or restrict political discussion. If you can have large amounts of animosity between Republicans and Democrats, it isn't that surprising that things get even worse among people who do have substantial political differences.

[gorillafuck]

Being made fun of things you choose versus being made fun of for shit you're born with.I still find the idea of deliberately being an asshole but trying to do so in a way that is acceptable according to liberal and leftist sensibilities very funny

[Pretty Flaco]

with rudeness im really bipolar. i can be really polite to people and really rude to others.

that goes for on here and in everyday life.