We don't make enough sacrifices

[Elysian]

How many of us go out there and try to be more like Che or Lenin? Not many, I am afraid. We want 'someone else' to do the job for us - someone has to fight against exploitation, someone has to fight against bigotry, and so on. We don't have the guts to organize and, worse yet, we attack those who do by calling them reactionary, reformist etc. etc.

Even Islamic clergy is able to attract so many youth, especially the poor and oppressed, and use them for their own purposes. But communists, despite having an agenda that actually benefits these poor, aren't able to appeal to anyone.

What's wrong with this picture? Are we merely apathetic, or do we actively try to destroy workers movements by being too critical of their methods (thereby antagonizing everyone and pushing them further right)?

[ColonelCossack]

Hey!!! I go on demos! :sneaky:

[magicme]

"Even Islamic clergy is able to attract so many youth, especially the poor and oppressed, and use them for their own purposes." - this is because the Islamic clergy usually represents powerful vested economic interests who fund and empower them.

"But communists, despite having an agenda that actually benefits these poor, aren't able to appeal to anyone." - besides from all the people they do and have appealed to.

[Franz Fanonipants]

you and your stupid melange of beliefs are basically a walking picture of why no one cares about communists

speaking in dogmatic totalisms rather than actually introducing people to marxist reasoning through discussions and pedagogical exercises is useless

there's a lot of sloganeering and not a lot of actual process that would bring people into utilizing a criticism of capital

rather, we get weird pockets of "left" consciousness like being a liberal or being "anti-gun" or wanting to help out kony 2012 or being a rabid secularist/humanist that acknowledge one portion of capitalism's problems but turn a blind eye to broader systemic issues

[OnlyCommunistYouKnow]

Give me a large militia and I'll gladly lead them to start a revolution. But it's harder than you think when the general populace is convinced that communism is evil.

[Book O'Dead]

How many of us go out there and try to be more like Che or Lenin? Not many, I am afraid. We want 'someone else' to do the job for us - someone has to fight against exploitation, someone has to fight against bigotry, and so on. We don't have the guts to organize and, worse yet, we attack those who do by calling them reactionary, reformist etc. etc.

Even Islamic clergy is able to attract so many youth, especially the poor and oppressed, and use them for their own purposes. But communists, despite having an agenda that actually benefits these poor, aren't able to appeal to anyone.

What's wrong with this picture? Are we merely apathetic, or do we actively try to destroy workers movements by being too critical of their methods (thereby antagonizing everyone and pushing them further right)?

Who is this "we" you are referring to? Speak for yourself.

[Per Levy]

How many of us go out there and try to be more like Che or Lenin? Not many, I am afraid.

sorry, lenins hair and beard style just doesnt go well with me.


We don't make enough sacrifices (http://www.revleft.com/vb/we-dont-make-p2417770/index.html#post2417770)

will virgins do or is cattle enough, i mean virgins might be hard to come by. also who do we sacrifice to?

[Deicide]

How many of us go out there and try to be more like Che or Lenin? Not many, I am afraid. We want 'someone else' to do the job for us - someone has to fight against exploitation, someone has to fight against bigotry, and so on. We don't have the guts to organize and, worse yet, we attack those who do by calling them reactionary, reformist etc. etc.

Even Islamic clergy is able to attract so many youth, especially the poor and oppressed, and use them for their own purposes. But communists, despite having an agenda that actually benefits these poor, aren't able to appeal to anyone.

What's wrong with this picture? Are we merely apathetic, or do we actively try to destroy workers movements by being too critical of their methods (thereby antagonizing everyone and pushing them further right)?

You go first.

[Nox]

How many of us go out there and try to be more like Che or Lenin?

I know one person...

http://maoistrebelnews.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/blog-photo.jpg

[dodger]

How many of us go out there and try to be more like Che or Lenin? Not many, I am afraid. We want 'someone else' to do the job for us - someone has to fight against exploitation, someone has to fight against bigotry, and so on. We don't have the guts to organize and, worse yet, we attack those who do by calling them reactionary, reformist etc. etc.

Even Islamic clergy is able to attract so many youth, especially the poor and oppressed, and use them for their own purposes. But communists, despite having an agenda that actually benefits these poor, aren't able to appeal to anyone.

What's wrong with this picture? Are we merely apathetic, or do we actively try to destroy workers movements by being too critical of their methods (thereby antagonizing everyone and pushing them further right)?


This from a young man who asked if I was not smoking too much weed.

pots....Kettles?>>>Bla....??

[Rafiq]

Sacrafice for a revolution that does not exist, for a movement, of which we can not spot.

Revolutionary Movements do not create themselves because a few Marxists conjure spicy and appealing ideas to poor. They come about in direct response to material conditions organically from the proletariat itself (like a higher stage of occupy wallstreet). Once this lower level of class conciousness is realized, only then is it the task of Marxist revolutionaries to steer it in the right direction.

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[Elysian]

Sacrafice for a revolution that does not exist, for a movement, of which we can not spot.

Revolutionary Movements do not create themselves because a few Marxists conjure spicy and appealing ideas to poor. They come about in direct response to material conditions organically from the proletariat itself (like a higher stage of occupy wallstreet). Once this lower level of class conciousness is realized, only then is it the task of Marxist revolutionaries to steer it in the right direction.

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My point is that in the past, Marxists used to agitate and organize whenever there was crisis. Today, there is crisis - economy is going down, there are wars and poverty everywhere. Yet you dont see marxists at the forefront leading the workers. This gap is usually filled by fascists or religious conservatives.

[Elysian]

This from a young man who asked if I was not smoking too much weed.

pots....Kettles?>>>Bla....??

I am sober when I am not smoking. You're sober only when you are.;) Go figure!

[Franz Fanonipants]

This gap is usually filled by fascists or religious conservatives.

check out this marxist analysis comrades

it turns out that when capitalism is in crisis it struggles to preserve itself as it always has

[piet11111]

How many of us go out there and try to be more like Che or Lenin? Not many, I am afraid. We want 'someone else' to do the job for us - someone has to fight against exploitation, someone has to fight against bigotry, and so on. We don't have the guts to organize and, worse yet, we attack those who do by calling them reactionary, reformist etc. etc.

Even Islamic clergy is able to attract so many youth, especially the poor and oppressed, and use them for their own purposes. But communists, despite having an agenda that actually benefits these poor, aren't able to appeal to anyone.

What's wrong with this picture? Are we merely apathetic, or do we actively try to destroy workers movements by being too critical of their methods (thereby antagonizing everyone and pushing them further right)?

I feel the need to point out that both lenin and che come from a very privileged background and where only able to do the things they did because of it.

The vast majority of the working class does not have the time to do anything outside of work and family and this is why we are very slow to act because to act means we are knowingly risking our jobs and face the threat of jailtime.

[Rafiq]

My point is that in the past, Marxists used to agitate and organize whenever there was crisis. Today, there is crisis - economy is going down, there are wars and poverty everywhere. Yet you dont see marxists at the forefront leading the workers. This gap is usually filled by fascists or religious conservatives.

But back then there was a legitiment proletarian movement already in existence. Calm the hell down, a worker's movement is near to being actualized

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[MotherCossack]

gawd...
another depressing thread....
actually....
there is truth lurking hereabouts....
fuck.... we can make excuses til the cows come home.... one minute we quote marx with his theories about how the fall of capitalism is nigh on inevitable....
when the wage slaves have had their fill of it and the whole thing burns itself out....
but then justify our inertia by claiming that we are far too poor and deprived to have time for luxuries like middle class uprisings.....
hey!!!!!
something has gotta give......

d'you know what i reckon.....
if we wait for the conditions to be just perfect....
and... then wait a bit more.....for it... [socialism, i mean] to float down from the sky and whisper....' i'm ready for you now guys'.....

i fear we may be in for a lengthy wait!

oh...and... you.... young cossack.....
i dont think you can rightfully claim to go on that many marches.....
not as many as you truly could....
dont you think?
[but i still love you lots and lots... and you are well cute.]