Even The Wall Street Journal is saying that capitalism will collapse !!

[TrotskistMarx]

DEAR FRIENDS, THERE ARE MANY MANY NON-SOCIALIST SOURCES THAT PREDICT THE FALL OF CAPITALISM AND THAT WORKERS WILL RULE THE WORLD. IN THE BOOK "THE WILL TO POWER" BY FREDRICH NIETZSCHE IN SECTION 758 HE PREDICTED THAT THE WORKING CLASS WILL RULE THE WORLD SOME DAY. AND EVEN TODAY CAPITALIST NEWS PAPERS SUCH AS THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ARE SAYING THAT THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM IS COLLAPSING. ECONOMIST NOURIEL ROUBINI CLAIMS IN THIS VIDEO THAT THE CAPITALIST SYSTEM IS DESTROYING ITSELF, AND SOCIALISM WILL REPLACE CAPITALISM


http://online.wsj.com/video/nouriel-roubini-karl-marx-was-right/68EE8F89-EC24-42F8-9B9D-47B510E473B0.html


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[Anarcho-Brocialist]

The sooner, the better!

[Rocky Rococo]

It won't collapse on its own, it will require considerable pushing. The capitalists won't readily give up their perches atop society. Remember the words of railroad baron Jay Gould, "I can always hire half the working class to kill the other half". We can be quite certain that if they feel any shakiness at all to their position, they will do just that, choose the fascist path without a second thought. What happened to the Occupies is a light rap across the knuckles compared to where they're willing to go if they believe their privilege is genuinely threatened. I'm sure as hell not saying "give it up" (at this point revolutionary politics is the only hope for a decent future we've got), but I am saying "be ready for what it really means", because if, as and when a revolutionary situation comes, a lot of revolutionaries won't be making it to the goal. A lot more of us will fall than of them. A lot more, including a whole lot of the best of us.

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Capitalism cannot simply collapse and move over to bring about socialism, it needs to be merciously destroyed by the proletariat.

[Rafiq]

Capitalism cannot simply collapse and move over to bring about socialism, it needs to be merciously destroyed by the proletariat.

Capitalism can collapse. The problem is it reinventing itself. Capitalist crisis creates the conditions in which class struggle awakens, so in a way it does destroy itself as the proletariat revolution is a mere product of capitalist social relations

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[escapingNihilism]

it's already collapsed numerous times before but the capitalist class has reconstituted its power. thus without the 'embryo of the new society', ie, a popular organization ready to challenge the common-sense notions of property relations, the prospects for a transformation along lines we would like are minimal. capitalism is in a serious crisis right now but nothing 'good' is waiting in the wings, so I'm not optimistic. if anything a new fascism is better positioned to take hold in the West.

[Agathor]

More like the Wall Street Journal is interviewing someone - and an obscure someone - who believes capitalism will fall.

Capitalism is a complex mixture of laws and economic relations, neither of which simply 'collapse' like an old building. To end capitalism we have to stop participating in the relationships and repeal the laws.

And even if capitalism could collapse in that way, why would socialism replace it? Why not one of the myriad of right wing anti-capitalist ideologies like feudalism, fascism, totalitarianism, which have had far more success than those of the left?

[Vyacheslav Brolotov]

Capitalism can collapse. The problem is it reinventing itself. Capitalist crisis creates the conditions in which class struggle awakens, so in a way it does destroy itself as the proletariat revolution is a mere product of capitalist social relations

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Capitalism cannot simply collapse and move over to bring about socialism, it needs to be merciously destroyed by the proletariat.

But it will never simply move over peacefully to allow the dictatorship of the proletariat to be established.

[seventeethdecember2016]

LOL!!! The Wall Street Journal said Marx was right??? Capitalism really is doomed.

[Hexen]

Well if Capitalism did collapse but since the leftist movement isn't very strong (special thanks to liberalism that developed in the 90s after the fall of the Soviet Union) I'm afraid to say that especially in the U.S. the Right Wing Christian Theocrats would most likely take over...

[Ravachol]

The collapse of one particular form of Capitalism and the construction of Communism are two different things which do not necessarily converge. Near-deterministic 'final' crisis theory is a dangerous and lethargic thing.

[Rafiq]

More like the Wall Street Journal is interviewing someone - and an obscure someone - who believes capitalism will fall.

Capitalism is a complex mixture of laws and economic relations, neither of which simply 'collapse' like an old building. To end capitalism we have to stop participating in the relationships and repeal the laws.

And even if capitalism could collapse in that way, why would socialism replace it? Why not one of the myriad of right wing anti-capitalist ideologies like feudalism, fascism, totalitarianism, which have had far more success than those of the left?

It does collapse like an old building, regardless of whether people adhere to your lifestylist petty moralism. Though, you're right about the fact socialism may not replace it (aside from your horse shit liberalism, i.e. "Totalitarianism")

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[Proletariat]

Unless replaced with Socialism, more then likely Capitalism will collapse into Corporatism.

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

I found it amusing that the interviewee kept interrupting the interviewer.

[Rafiq]

Unless replaced with Socialism, more then likely Capitalism will collapse into Corporatism.

"Corporatism" (external from, you know, it's real meaning) does not, will not, and can not exist.

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[NewLeft]

It seems like he brought up Karl Marx for shock value if anything.

[Agathor]

lifestylist petty moralism.

You are Dave Spart.

[Rocky Rococo]

More like the Wall Street Journal is interviewing someone - and an obscure someone - who believes capitalism will fall.



Five years ago when Roubini was publishing his papers on the explosion of derivatives and the hyperstasis of finance capital in the world market he may have been obscure. When a year later everything he wrote and warned about exploded on the world stage he was suddenly no longer obscure. He's now "the man that predicted the 2008 meltdown", which is why even WSJ interviewers have to sit there and listen while he invokes Marx.

[TrotskistMarx]

Damn man you got a very very good answer there. I think that the only solution for the whole USA left is a philosophical, paradigm-revolution within the USA left in USA in order to destroy the progressive-liberal centrist mainstream bourgeoise-liberal political ideology which preaches as a solution for neoliberal-capitalism free colleges, free medical care, subsidizing utility services, and of course higher taxes on the income of the upper class to fund higher welfare programs* and nationalization of basic services like electricity, phone, water etc. And that is not socialism, that is a Norway-Universal Welfare regulated state-capitalism.

And of course the progressive-liberal mainstream bourgeoise-liberal centrists such as Progressive Democrats of America, Alternet.org, Commondreams.org, Moveon.org, Democracynow.org, salon.com, thenation.com magazine, the progressive bourgeoise college-left liberals thinkers such as Naomi Klein, Michael Moore, Jessy Jackson, Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders, Paul Krugman, Norman Solomon, Cindy Sheehan, Alexander Cockburn of counterpunch.org, Jimmy Carter, Michael Hudson, Ralph Nader, and many other mainstream bourgeoise-liberal, who are also labeled as "middle class leftists" or "college leftists" who are really *centrists* and *social-democrats* they are not leftists at all.

Because to be a leftist means to be in favor of leftism ideology which is socialism and a government of the working class and poor peasants.

We need to destroy this political system of what is offered as LEFT IN AMERICA which is really Norway-welfare state-capitalism and replace it with REAL LEFTIST IDEOLOGY, which is 100% socialism, a government of the workers, peasants and citizens, and nationalization of the 500 largest multinational corporations corporations under workers-control.

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Well if Capitalism did collapse but since the leftist movement isn't very strong (special thanks to liberalism that developed in the 90s after the fall of the Soviet Union) I'm afraid to say that especially in the U.S. the Right Wing Christian Theocrats would most likely take over...