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Mista Commie
15th April 2012, 06:02
He is a conservative and pro-capitalism (even though he was a worker for years and never got anywhere, barely getting into the middle class, while I lived with my mother, struggling to get by on food stamps and minimum wage :glare:). He was raised in the golden age of anti-Communist propaganda, and thought that Reagan is the best president ever (aka Bourgeois piece of shit :thumbdown:). So the question is should I admit, and how should I go about it? :confused:
Also, my Civics class is going to have a Communism (:w00t:) vs Socialism (even though Socialism is really close to Communism :mellow:) vs Capitalism (:scared:) debate, and he is randomly picking. I really hope I don't get Capitalism, 'cause if I do, I'm not doing anything! :mad:
ACAB
15th April 2012, 14:45
Tell him to stop Mirin' Ronald Regan and man the fuck up!
Ask him how he can be so inhuman that He supports the domination of the masses of hard-working people at the hands of a few rich smarmy wankers.
Ask him if he is against big government, when he replies "yes, fuck obamacare" reply
ORLY
Let me leave this ABC of anarchism here for you DadBrah!
Or use his love of unproductive systems and the societal hegemony of greed and tell him to give you some start up cash to start your own little buisness.
Take said money and buy MDMA and pot.
Rafiq
15th April 2012, 15:40
It depends. If he is petty bourgeois (small buisness) than it's a lost cause. As for your school "debate", it's a useless debate presupposing Europe is "Socialist" and communist countries communist. In the end of that debate, "capitalism" will win, anyway. Because the "debate" was set up that way from square one. Not much you can do.
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Mass Grave Aesthetics
15th April 2012, 15:54
I think it depends more on your fathers mentality than politics i.e. how tolerant he is of opposing views.
Your description of him; his politics and social status, actually remind me of my own father. A prole who doesnīt benefit from capitalism in any significant way but defends even the most vile features of the system and supports itīs most reactionary political elements.
My advise to you would be to talk to him about politics without stating your views explicitly to begin with. Try to find out why he holds the views he does. It may help your social understanding and give you an opportunity to evaluate your politics critically (which can be very useful). If he is one of those people who responds to viewpoints he doesnīt like in a very bigoted and hostile way, I think itīs better for both of you to avoid that shit.
Bronco
15th April 2012, 15:59
Arguing politics with family is rarely a good idea
The Guy
15th April 2012, 16:12
My dad was similar, only a British version. He was much more in-tune with the working class, however, but leaned strongly towards such capitalist and even racialist tendencies.
Arguing with him about politics was much use as trying to make toast with a wet sock. I did learn though how to combat very simple (and often uneducated) arguments. It's useful because it's coming from somebody you can't necessarily walk away from. I would sit and think about how to counter my dad's arguments. Eventually, I would gain the one-up and so I would take it from there. It came in useful when a friend would challenge me.
Try it. You don't explicitly have to gather the family around and tell them you're a filthy lefty who has unholy thoughts of "equality." If he says something just disagree with him. In time, admit to him once you've built yourself a small stronghold of ideas.
Or you could go with the family confession thing. Your call.
Voice_of_Reason
15th April 2012, 16:14
Also, my Civics class is going to have a Communism () vs Socialism (even though Socialism is really close to Communism ) vs Capitalism () debate, and he is randomly picking. I really hope I don't get Capitalism, 'cause if I do, I'm not doing anything!
Being Communist and/or Socialist does not mean close minded. If your given Capitalism argue with your full potential vs the other two. Every form of government has it's positives and negatives, a debate isn't about convincing the other side, sadly in school it's about winning.
On the note of your father, only bring it up if it's brought up. It's usually best to not talk about politics even with your family, remember politics, religion, sex, and money are the big no-no's
Nox
15th April 2012, 16:35
Why do you feel the need to tell him? I've kept my views almost entirely to myself in the 2 or so years that I've had them ;) None of my family know anything about my views, my best friend doesn't even know.
The Guy
15th April 2012, 17:37
Why do you feel the need to tell him? I've kept my views almost entirely to myself in the 2 or so years that I've had them ;) None of my family know anything about my views, my best friend doesn't even know.
You sly dog, you! ;)
daft punk
15th April 2012, 18:35
He is a conservative and pro-capitalism (even though he was a worker for years and never got anywhere, barely getting into the middle class, while I lived with my mother, struggling to get by on food stamps and minimum wage :glare:). He was raised in the golden age of anti-Communist propaganda, and thought that Reagan is the best president ever (aka Bourgeois piece of shit :thumbdown:). So the question is should I admit, and how should I go about it? :confused:
Also, my Civics class is going to have a Communism (:w00t:) vs Socialism (even though Socialism is really close to Communism :mellow:) vs Capitalism (:scared:) debate, and he is randomly picking. I really hope I don't get Capitalism, 'cause if I do, I'm not doing anything! :mad:
Just tell him, happens all the time. As for the debate, let me tell you this. There used to be a bloke in my party called Andrew Glyn, he died. He was an economics tutor, a Marxist, but obviously he had to teach other styles. He taught Marx, Smith and Ricardo to Ed Miliband. So if you get capitalism, just try and be objective and get on with it.
Mista Commie
15th April 2012, 18:53
My dad was similar, only a British version. He was much more in-tune with the working class, however, but leaned strongly towards such capitalist and even racialist tendencies.
Yeah, my father hates affirmative action and says that minorities have more rights... and that welfare\food stamps are evil. Oh, and don't forget the idea of trickle-down economics, the thought makes my head hurt. He also said that Obama is a socialist (Even though he isn't.) and he is f'ing up the country, when actually he has raised many more jobs than he lost (If only he was actually a Commie...). And the biggest hypocrisy is that because of his rheumatoid arthritis, he can't work, and he gets social security and disability benifets.
Nox
15th April 2012, 18:56
You sly dog, you! ;)
Only 3 people have ever found out I am a communist, 2 of them didn't believe me and the other 1 is too permanently stoned to care
Mista Commie
15th April 2012, 19:01
Being Communist and/or Socialist does not mean close minded. If your given Capitalism argue with your full potential vs the other two. Every form of government has it's positives and negatives, a debate isn't about convincing the other side, sadly in school it's about winning.
Yeah, I see... but I will nevertheless try to win, as everyone in my Civics class are Capitalists. Oh, and I love the Boondocks quote! Can't wait for season 4.
daft punk
15th April 2012, 19:26
By the way my dad was a conservative and a lay preacher.
Art Vandelay
15th April 2012, 19:27
I have given up hope on ever changing my rents minds and I think they have done about the same with me. They got my little brother good and young though, a little cappie in the making. I could never properly argue with my parents anyways, I always got way to emotional and could not keep a level head.
The Jay
15th April 2012, 19:31
Wait until you're almost done college to tell him if you think that it will end badly.
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