Political Profile II

[VCrakeV]

And they would learn philosophy in this program? Why is it not enough to just learn them philosophy and stop with the "if you don't learn this you cant vote" non-sense. Surely all the philosophy classes would be filled with discussions on the immorality of building an oligarchy based on education.
Not just philosophy (important for critical thinking in general), but also subjects relevant to politics. If you can't think critically, and/or don't have at least a basic idea of what you're voting on, you won't be able to make an informed and wise decision.

I would like to have everyone be allowed to vote so long as they just participate in a discussion about what is being voted on. However, getting everyone together would nearly be impossible, as would the discussion itself.

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[IbelieveInanarchy]

Not just philosophy (important for critical thinking in general), but also subjects relevant to politics. If you can't think critically, and/or don't have at least a basic idea of what you're voting on, you won't be able to make an informed and wise decision.

I would like to have everyone be allowed to vote so long as they just participate in a discussion about what is being voted on. However, getting everyone together would nearly be impossible, as would the discussion itself.

Sent from my SM-G903W using Tapatalk Maybe people don't want to discuss something with you? Why should you be able to force them to discuss something before they vote? How is it a free vote if, before you vote, you have to face scrutiny for what you think or intend to vote.

[VCrakeV]

Maybe people don't want to discuss something with you? Why should you be able to force them to discuss something before they vote? How is it a free vote if, before you vote, you have to face scrutiny for what you think or intend to vote.
It would be a way to legitimize the vote, alternative to the program. It is similar to the idea of councils: people get together, discuss an issue, then vote on it. I would much prefer this over the program, but the logistics insist it is impossible. I don't think participation is the issue at hand. The population is much larger than 2000 years ago, so we can't just gather everyone in downtown Athens for a discussion.

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[IbelieveInanarchy]

It would be a way to legitimize the vote, alternative to the program. It is similar to the idea of councils: people get together, discuss an issue, then vote on it. I would much prefer this over the program, but the logistics insist it is impossible. I don't think participation is the issue at hand. The population is much larger than 2000 years ago, so we can't just gather everyone in downtown Athens for a discussion.

Sent from my SM-G903W using Tapatalk I get your idea behind it and why it is favorable for people to think before they vote. But this doesn't legitimize that some people should not be allowed to vote because they did not follow a certain government program. If you even want a state, at least give the people who are oppressed by it a chance to choose their own oppressor.

[comrada]

Name: M.S
Location: San Jose - California
Class background: Low, both parents on SSI benefits my father never graduated middle school worked as a carpenter
Ethnic background: Swedish, Jewish.

Do you support?

A "vanguard" party: Yes
Participation in parliamentarian bodies: Yes
Working within current trade unions: Yes
Central planning: Yes
National-liberation movements: Yes
The peasantry and petit-bourgeoisie: This makes no sense to lump together to ask for support for or against.

What, Who, and Where

What is the most important contemporary event in the world today: wave of fascism in the developed nations.
Where would you like to be in history; what historical event would you like to be in: In the first few days after the Russian Revolution.
What historical characters do you most associate your views to: If my views aligned with those in the past they would be irrelevant.
What was the class character of the Soviet Union: Depends which period of time we're speaking of.