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bad ideas actualised by alcohol
14th April 2012, 17:11
I find it very hard to believe what the US and Israel are saying about the nukes from Iran.
So here I am asking, is there any proof of these nukes or is it just another us-lie to invade another country?

Threetune
14th April 2012, 17:15
Big bag of vicious imperialist crap.

gorillafuck
14th April 2012, 17:20
what's unbelievable about Iran using their nuclear program to also develop nuclear weapons? it would be a smart thing to do, considering every country surrounding them is nuclear armed and hostile except turkmenistan

brigadista
14th April 2012, 17:22
think the worry is israel and Us not iran

Threetune
14th April 2012, 17:29
what's unbelievable about Iran using their nuclear program to also develop nuclear weapons? it would be a smart thing to do, considering every country surrounding them is nuclear armed and hostile except turkmenistan

Fair enough, but they don’t have a ‘nuke’.

Tabarnack
14th April 2012, 17:31
It's all bull shit, even the CIA had concluded that there was no evidence that Iran is building the bomb, but that won't stop the corporate media from promoting war against Iran for Israel benefit. Iran ultimate crime is that it's one of a few countries that has an independent banking system and it's refusal to use the dollar as the reserve currency.

Prinskaj
14th April 2012, 22:16
If Iran is not developing nuclear weapons, then they are immensely stupid, since it could be one of the only effective deterrents against a US invasion.

Left Leanings
14th April 2012, 22:47
I don't know whether Iran has a nuclear capability or not, or whether it is developing one. What I do know, is that all manner of turgid drivel will be churned out to justify military action against Iran at some time.

Iraq was invaded, supposedly because it had weapons of mass destruction, and posed an imminent threat to Western soil. It transpired it did not.

Then the action was presented as justifiable, cos Hussein was a despot, who needed to be removed, and the Iraqi people 'liberated'. Yet there was no deployment of Western troops to overthrow the apartheid regime of South Africa. Nor were troops committed to preventing the genocide in Rwanada. And no action is being taken against Zimbabwe, and its dictator Mugabe.

Something tells me, we might very soon be under 'threat' from Iran. Perhaps even, 'Iranian terrorists' will cause problems on Western soil.

More like capital, peddling their lies and executing their devious and Machiavellan schemes, to whip up the mood for war, and plunder Iran.

bcbm
14th April 2012, 23:07
Something tells me, we might very soon be under 'threat' from Iran. Perhaps even, 'Iranian terrorists' will cause problems on Western soil.

already happened there was some 'plot' they busted a few months ago

Left Leanings
14th April 2012, 23:09
already happened there was some 'plot' they busted a few months ago

So it has begun already.

It won't be long before the troops and fighter jets are going in.

Iraq down. Iran to go...

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
14th April 2012, 23:37
So it has begun already.

It won't be long before the troops and fighter jets are going in.

Iraq down. Iran to go...

And next the world....

hashem
17th April 2012, 14:03
if the Islamist government of Iran is not building nukes, then what is the purpose of their nuclear program? electricity?! can a government which has filled its country with mass graves and torturing chambers care so much about peoples electricity?!

Irans nuclear program is not economically efficient. there got to be something behind it. but that is no excuse for sanctions or war. Pakistan, India and Israel have nuclear weapons. what has been done to stop them? rulers of those countries are not more pacifist or humanitarian than rulers of Iran.

Crux
17th April 2012, 14:10
if the Islamist government of Iran is not building nukes, then what is the purpose of their nuclear program? electricity?! can a government which has filled its country with mass graves and torturing chambers care so much about peoples electricity?!

Irans nuclear program is not economically efficient. there got to be something behind it. but that is no excuse for sanctions or war. Pakistan, India and Israel have nuclear weapons. what has been done to stop them? rulers of those countries are not more pacifist or humanitarian than rulers of Iran.
Fair point, but what we know so far would indicate that their nuclear weapons program hasn't been progressing much for the past 9 years or so.

Douro
22nd April 2012, 10:23
if the Islamist government of Iran is not building nukes, then what is the purpose of their nuclear program? electricity?! can a government which has filled its country with mass graves and torturing chambers care so much about peoples electricity?!

Irans nuclear program is not economically efficient. there got to be something behind it. but that is no excuse for sanctions or war. Pakistan, India and Israel have nuclear weapons. what has been done to stop them? rulers of those countries are not more pacifist or humanitarian than rulers of Iran.

Iran has a perfect economic justification to produce nuclear power which is why its nuclear programme was started with the encouragement and support of the US in the first place. For your information, under the "Islamist government of Iran", average Iranians now live longer and healthier lives than ever before as evidenced by the UN Human Development Index.

To answer the OP, there is zero evidence of any nuclear weapons programme in Iran and the IAEA continues to verify the non-diversion of fissile material to non-peaceful purposes in Iran. The issue is not about nuclear weapons, that is a mere pretext just like Iraq's non-existent WMDs.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
23rd April 2012, 07:52
Iran almost certainly wants the ability to produce nuclear weapons, after all it is right in between two heavily armed nuclear powers, one of which doesn't like it (Israel) and the other of which is unstable and filled with rabidly anti-Shia Sunni fundamentalists (Pakistan), however it is questionable whether it is currently seeking to build actual nuclear weapons. Israel's government is lying about all of this to justify their own rightwing international policies, and the NATO powers are grudgingly going along with Israel, however there is a strong feeling within them that a war with Iran right now goes directly against their interests.

Take everything said about the Iran issue with a tablespoon of salt, because nobody on either side is honest about the issue.

Blanquist
23rd April 2012, 07:55
No doubt in my mind that they are trying to develop a bomb. Don't know how long it will take them though.

Anarcho-Brocialist
23rd April 2012, 07:57
Iran should be granted the rights to acquire nuclear armaments. Their neighbors have attained the weaponry, and it's the only weapon that will bring to a halt US Imperialism.

Douro
23rd April 2012, 08:04
Iran almost certainly wants the ability to produce nuclear weapons

This is a bullshit charge. How do you even define "ability to produce nuclear weapons"? Any country with a civilian nuclear programme has the theoretical "ability" to produce nuclear weapons since the technology is essentially the same. There are something like 40 countries that possess this "ability". Such accusations make no sense, it is like charging someone with conspiracy to murder for owning a knife.


No doubt in my mind that they are trying to develop a bomb. Don't know how long it will take them though.

Well you must have access to some information that no one else does, including 16 US intelligence agencies that affirm "with high level of confidence" that there is no ongoing nuclear weapons programme in Iran.

Blanquist
23rd April 2012, 08:05
Iran should be granted the rights to acquire nuclear armaments. Their neighbors have attained the weaponry, and it's the only weapon that will bring to a halt US Imperialism.

Yeah, a nuke in every country is the solution to imperialism :rolleyes:

Anarcho-Brocialist
23rd April 2012, 08:20
Yeah, a nuke in every country is the solution to imperialism :rolleyes:

Not quite, but do you propose that world will disarm :laugh:? Also, when has the United States intervened militarily with another nuclear armed nation? That's right, never.

OnlyCommunistYouKnow
23rd April 2012, 17:57
Several official reports say Iran has no nuclear weapons and does not intend to create any. But the United States just likes to forget that.

hashem
24th April 2012, 13:18
Iran has a perfect economic justification to produce nuclear power which is why its nuclear programme was started with the encouragement and support of the US in the first place. For your information, under the "Islamist government of Iran", average Iranians now live longer and healthier lives than ever before as evidenced by the UN Human Development Index.

To answer the OP, there is zero evidence of any nuclear weapons programme in Iran and the IAEA continues to verify the non-diversion of fissile material to non-peaceful purposes in Iran. The issue is not about nuclear weapons, that is a mere pretext just like Iraq's non-existent WMDs.

what kind of "economic justification" are you talking about? Iran has spent several billion dollars for its nuclear program but it hasnt produced 1 KW of elecricity yet, and it wont any time soon.

progressive activists are against nuclear energy. even advanced countries like Germany (which lacks fossil fuels) are abandoning their nuclear program.

according to UN Human Development Index, Irans situation is not much better than Kenya while it has much more resources such as oil and gas. who tells you such lies?!

the government of Iran does nothing but plundering the wealth of country and suppressing its people. it never represents peoples interests.

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
24th April 2012, 13:48
progressive activists are against nuclear energy


Sorry, but no, there's no definite policy on nuclear energy.

And also, no, GreenPeace isn't a socialist revolutionary organisation.


the government of Iran does nothing but plundering the wealth of country and suppressing its people. it never represents peoples interests.

Of course it does, it's a capitalist country, it's hardly alone in that. But likewise it is perfectly understandable from a materialist standpoint that the government would want nuclear weapons, or potential thereto at least, because it would decrease the risk of further attacks from Israel or the U.S., and increase the potential for using this as leverage in international negotiations.

Likewise the "economic reason" by which the government would justify this would be to significantly decrease internal consumption (which is quite high) of oil and thereby increase the export revenues - of course, it would benefit the elites. It always does in capitalism.

Of course it is a theocratic capitalist state, but even so, if nuclear weapons would prevent a war with Israel/US, then that could be a relatively positive thing. This of course is no excuse to actively support the government of either of those reactionary states, and by all means a revolution is the only truly good choice-- but that goes without saying.

hashem
24th April 2012, 17:21
there is a definite policy about nuclear energy:

http://www.icor.info/2012/manifesto-to-commemorate-fukushima-disaster-and-to-demand-the-end-of-using-nuclear-power-1

progressive activists support renewable energies (wind, solar, geothermal and ...) even if there are not economically efficient at the present time.

even from a capitalist point of view, there is no economic justification behind Irans nuclear program. as i said before, despite spending several billion dollars (since 1970s) and suffering from sanctions, not even 1 KW of electricity has been produced. Iran had a program for using wind power in 1990s which is now abandoned because the economy is liberalised and altough the government receives huge income from exporting oil, it doesnt accept any responsibility for economic development. but the wind turbines are producing electricity since then. arent wind turbines safer and more efficient?

progressive activists should put pressure on capitalist governments and forced them to abandon their nuclear programs.

Douro
24th April 2012, 20:08
what kind of "economic justification" are you talking about? Iran has spent several billion dollars for its nuclear program but it hasnt produced 1 KW of elecricity yet, and it wont any time soon.

progressive activists are against nuclear energy. even advanced countries like Germany (which lacks fossil fuels) are abandoning their nuclear program.

according to UN Human Development Index, Irans situation is not much better than Kenya while it has much more resources such as oil and gas. who tells you such lies?!

the government of Iran does nothing but plundering the wealth of country and suppressing its people. it never represents peoples interests.

Yeah that is the thing with power plants, they require large investment long before they start to produce power, especially with foreign powers constantly obstructing the progress. The Bushehr plant is actually set to operate almost at full capacity within the next few weeks.

I have never heard of any "how to be a progressive activist" manual that states you should oppose nuclear energy. What a ridiculous statement.

And I don't know where you got that but Iran ranks at 88 in the Human Development Index (Kenya has a rank of 143), placing above the world average and since 79 Iranians have much greater access to healthcare, electricity, roads, clean water and education, especially women who make up more than 60% of university students.

hashem
25th April 2012, 06:21
The Bushehr plant is actually set to operate almost at full capacity within the next few weeks.

the government of Iran has been repeating that lie for about 20 years. during all of these years Turkey which is neighbour of Iran has installed more than 1700 MW of wind energy capacity, while the total capacity of Bushehr plant is 950 MW. the Bushehr plant wont start operating within the next few weeks, it wont within the next few years either.


Iran ranks at 88 in the Human Development Index

is that a good position for an oil-rich country? Irans rank is lower than Colombia, Albania, Jamaica, Ecuador, Trinidad and Tobago, Grenada, Barbados, Armenia and such countries. on the other hand Irans HDI is not rasing while Kenya is rasing it by 0.004 each year (which is a good rate). with this situation, Kenya secures a higher HDI within next years.


since 79 Iranians have much greater access to healthcare, electricity, roads, clean water and education

can you show me a country which its people have a lower access to "healthcare, electricity, roads, clean water and education" compared to 1979? i dont understand why you insist to believe that the islamists have been so successful in Iran. i mean they were successful in repression and plundering, but Iran has felt to decay since their rule.

seventeethdecember2016
25th April 2012, 06:37
Iran has WMDs? Where have I heard this before?

Physiological warfare stinks...

On another note, has anyone read the Tehran times? It's probably one of the best quality newspapers I've had the pleasure of reading. Far better than British and American crap.

Douro
25th April 2012, 06:55
the government of Iran has been repeating that lie for about 20 years. during all of these years Turkey which is neighbour of Iran has installed more than 1700 MW of wind energy capacity, while the total capacity of Bushehr plant is 950 MW. the Bushehr plant wont start operating within the next few weeks, it wont within the next few years either.



is that a good position for an oil-rich country? Irans rank is lower than Colombia, Albania, Jamaica, Ecuador, Trinidad and Tobago, Grenada, Barbados, Armenia and such countries. on the other hand Irans HDI is not rasing while Kenya is rasing it by 0.004 each year (which is a good rate). with this situation, Kenya secures a higher HDI within next years.



can you show me a country which its people have a lower access to "healthcare, electricity, roads, clean water and education" compared to 1979? i dont understand why you insist to believe that the islamists have been so successful in Iran. i mean they were successful in repression and plundering, but Iran has felt to decay since their rule.

What bullshit. The construction of the facility was stopped in 79 and the entire nuclear programme suspended during the war with Iraq, in which the facility was damaged. After that the US has been pressuring everyone not to cooperate with Iran on its nuclear programme and only in the 90's they got an agreement with Russia to resume the construction. The facility was not launched until September last year and has been loaded with fuel for testing since then.

Stop making shit up, Iran's HDI remained stagnant for most of the 70's, in 1980 it was at 0,437, by 1990 it was already at 0,534, in 2000 at 0,636 and last year 0,707 being now considered high human development and continuously increasing. Kenya placed lower in 2000 than in 1990 and almost as low as it was in 1979 and today is still way below the world average.

Sperm-Doll Setsuna
25th April 2012, 09:58
there is a definite policy about nuclear energy:

http://www.icor.info/2012/manifesto-to-commemorate-fukushima-disaster-and-to-demand-the-end-of-using-nuclear-power-1

progressive activists support renewable energies (wind, solar, geothermal and ...) even if there are not economically efficient at the present time.


progressive activists should put pressure on capitalist governments and forced them to abandon their nuclear programs.

I don't agree with that policy. Fuck the ICOR.

"Progressive activists", are those liberals? Greenpeace hacks? The reformist scum of the JCP?

Socialist revolutionaries should be concerned with ending the capitalist state, not forcing the capitalist state to adopt one policy or the other.

hashem
25th April 2012, 11:05
Socialist revolutionaries should be concerned with ending the capitalist state, not forcing the capitalist state to adopt one policy or the other.

what if revolution toke some time? what if we need decades for a world revolution? we cant wait for that. besides gaining some reforms helps the process of revolution. organized struggle for reforms (not begging for reforms) helps to improve organization and class consciousness of proletariat and other toilers. every revolutionary should struggle for reforms at the present moment without forgeting the final aim.

nuclear energy is harmful and dangerous. revolutionaries in advanced and backward countries are struggling against nuclear energy.

hashem
25th April 2012, 11:43
What bullshit. The construction of the facility was stopped in 79 and the entire nuclear programme suspended during the war with Iraq, in which the facility was damaged. After that the US has been pressuring everyone not to cooperate with Iran on its nuclear programme and only in the 90's they got an agreement with Russia to resume the construction. The facility was not launched until September last year and has been loaded with fuel for testing since then.

Stop making shit up, Iran's HDI remained stagnant for most of the 70's, in 1980 it was at 0,437, by 1990 it was already at 0,534, in 2000 at 0,636 and last year 0,707 being now considered high human development and continuously increasing. Kenya placed lower in 2000 than in 1990 and almost as low as it was in 1979 and today is still way below the world average.

USSR was in ruins in 1945. building a nuclear plant toked 9 years for a ruined country which had no experience in this field and without any cooperation from outside. in 1954 their nuclear plant was operational. bushers plant has already taken much more time (even if we consider the restarting of nuclear program as a starting date). other countries like Russia have cooperated with Iran during these years and the plant is still not operational. if Iran had paid for wind turbines instead of its nuclear program, it already had more operational capacity for producing electricity.

about HDI, look at this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

despite oil prices have increased, Irans HDI is steady and below Colombia.

previous regime of Iran (Pahlavi dynasti) also compared itself with Gajars (who ruled Iran during 19th and early 20th century) and bragged about the developments! do you need the others to explain to you how foolish this comparison is?!

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
27th April 2012, 16:23
Turns out even Israel doesn't believe it:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/idf-chief-to-haaretz-i-do-not-believe-iran-will-decide-to-develop-nuclear-weapons-1.426389

blake 3:17
28th April 2012, 03:25
Socialist revolutionaries should be concerned with ending the capitalist state, not forcing the capitalist state to adopt one policy or the other.

??? Oppose a form of power & exploitation but not care what it does ???? Makes no sense


nuclear energy is harmful and dangerous. revolutionaries in advanced and backward countries are struggling against nuclear energy.

I am with you on this. It's unfortunate that the Left has forgotten the anti-nuclear movement.

Regionally there've been plans to increase nuclear power, and in some ways more dangerously, increase uranium mining.

Douro
29th April 2012, 00:17
USSR was in ruins in 1945. building a nuclear plant toked 9 years for a ruined country which had no experience in this field and without any cooperation from outside. in 1954 their nuclear plant was operational. bushers plant has already taken much more time (even if we consider the restarting of nuclear program as a starting date). other countries like Russia have cooperated with Iran during these years and the plant is still not operational. if Iran had paid for wind turbines instead of its nuclear program, it already had more operational capacity for producing electricity.

about HDI, look at this page:

despite oil prices have increased, Irans HDI is steady and below Colombia.

previous regime of Iran (Pahlavi dynasti) also compared itself with Gajars (who ruled Iran during 19th and early 20th century) and bragged about the developments! do you need the others to explain to you how foolish this comparison is?!

Consider the air raids, the fact that the plant had to be completely restarted to meet Russian designs, the dissolution of the Soviet Union, the unwillingness of Germany to help in the construction leaving Iran with an unfinished structure without technical documentation, contract revisions, outside pressure and obstructionism, as well as many other obstacles and you might be able to understand the reason why the facility took longer to be completed than you would expect. And for your information, the facility is operational and was connected to the power grid in September last year.


Here is a better page: hdrstats . undp . org /en/ countries/ profiles/ IRN . html
As you can see Iran's Human Development Index has been rapidly growing since the 1979 revolution, while it remained stagnant for most of the 70's. Today it is his well above the region's average and also above the world's average, despite continuous sanctions. It does not matter how much oil you are sitting on, the HDI will not grow overnight.

Nuclear power is a safe, clean, cheap and highly efficient source of energy and despite the hype it is not going away any time soon, in fact there are plenty of nuclear plants being constructed or planned to be constructed in the next few years. To meet its energy demands and shutter its nuclear reactors, Germany will need to build new gas and coal-fired plants over the next 10 years, which means billions of tons of greenhouse gases. This will also hurt its economy and the European economy in general by driving up
electricity prices, and it is also making Germany reliant on energy from France, the world's biggest nuclear power producer.

Douro
1st May 2012, 03:31
the government of Iran has been repeating that lie for about 20 years. during all of these years Turkey which is neighbour of Iran has installed more than 1700 MW of wind energy capacity, while the total capacity of Bushehr plant is 950 MW. the Bushehr plant wont start operating within the next few weeks, it wont within the next few years either.

It looks like it did not take longer than 3 days:

bloomberg(dot)com/news/2012-04-30/iran-nuclear-power-plant-works-at-near-full-capacity-irna-says.html

China studen
1st May 2012, 21:33
Strong support for Iran to develop nuclear weapons!

bad ideas actualised by alcohol
1st May 2012, 23:34
Strong support for Iran to develop nuclear weapons!

Why?

hashem
2nd May 2012, 12:12
It looks like it did not take longer than 3 days:

bloomberg(dot)com/news/2012-04-30/iran-nuclear-power-plant-works-at-near-full-capacity-irna-says.html

that is not true. Bushers plant is still not working.

even if it starts working, it cant be considered a success, if the goal is production of electricity for people. adding 950 MW to total electricity generation capacity after about 35 years and at a very high cost is more like a failure. Turkey has installed more than 1700 MW wind power capacity since 2006. Bushers plant is outdated before starting its operation, it is hazardous as well. government of Iran doesnt care about health and safety of its people, plundering and repression are the only things which its interested in.

i dont know why are you so interested in Bushers plant. it has already done more damage to Iranian people than all of profits which its capable to produce.

Iran has fallen into decay since islamists rule. instead of supporting actions of its criminal and reactionary government, a progressive activist would support the popular movement against Irans corrupt government.

hashem
2nd May 2012, 12:23
Strong support for Iran to develop nuclear weapons!

you are strongly supporting fascism and militarism.

Douro
2nd May 2012, 21:00
that is not true. Bushers plant is still not working.

even if it starts working, it cant be considered a success, if the goal is production of electricity for people. adding 950 MW to total electricity generation capacity after about 35 years and at a very high cost is more like a failure. Turkey has installed more than 1700 MW wind power capacity since 2006. Bushers plant is outdated before starting its operation, it is hazardous as well. government of Iran doesnt care about health and safety of its people, plundering and repression are the only things which its interested in.

i dont know why are you so interested in Bushers plant. it has already done more damage to Iranian people than all of profits which its capable to produce.

Iran has fallen into decay since islamists rule. instead of supporting actions of its criminal and reactionary government, a progressive activist would support the popular movement against Irans corrupt government.

I just showed you that it is indeed operating just like I showed you that the standard of living of average Iranians has been rapidly growing since the "Islamists" came to power and for your information multiple polls by Western organizations show that Iranian people do not see their government as illegitimate.

And the Bushehr reactor type is so outdated that that it is still being constructed, including one planned in Bulgaria of the exact same model.

hashem
3rd May 2012, 07:20
I just showed you that it is indeed operating just like I showed you that the standard of living of average Iranians has been rapidly growing since the "Islamists" came to power and for your information multiple polls by Western organizations show that Iranian people do not see their government as illegitimate.

And the Bushehr reactor type is so outdated that that it is still being constructed, including one planned in Bulgaria of the exact same model.

im not going to discuss the nuclear program anymore, because i found out that your problem is much greater. you are supporting fascism!

what kind of poll shows "Iranian people do not see their government as illegitimate"?! and more important: what kind of poll is possible under a fascist dictatorship?!

on the other hand leftist and progressive elements will never shape their policy about a government based on ordinary peoples beliefs. even if ordinary people are backing a fascist government (which in case of Iran, they arent doing so), it is up to class conscious elements to direct people into a correct path. Bonaparte III and Nazi party of Germany had popular support in early years of their rule, but vanguards of proletariat struggled against them. popular support of bourgeoisie governments can affect communist tactics (slogans, type of organizations, agitation and propaganda, methods of struggle and ...) but it will never affects their strategy towards them.

if you are honestly supporting the islamist regime of Iran, then you should honestly admit that you support repression, murdering and torturing of Irans progressive activists, because that is what islamists are doing in Iran:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners

such brutality didnt end in 1980s. even today many worker and student activists are in prison, worker organizations are banned, freedom of speech is violated, women are officially unequal with men, any kind of secular literature is illegal and the government is sinking in corruption. if the islamist were able to "rapidly" increase "the standard of living of average Iranians" then they didnt need such brutal ways of repression.

Douro
3rd May 2012, 08:08
im not going to discuss the nuclear program anymore, because i found out that your problem is much greater. you are supporting fascism!

what kind of poll shows "Iranian people do not see their government as illegitimate"?! and more important: what kind of poll is possible under a fascist dictatorship?!

on the other hand leftist and progressive elements will never shape their policy about a government based on ordinary peoples beliefs. even if ordinary people are backing a fascist government (which in case of Iran, they arent doing so), it is up to class conscious elements to direct people into a correct path. Bonaparte III and Nazi party of Germany had popular support in early years of their rule, but vanguards of proletariat struggled against them. popular support of bourgeoisie governments can affect communist tactics (slogans, type of organizations, agitation and propaganda, methods of struggle and ...) but it will never affects their strategy towards them.

if you are honestly supporting the islamist regime of Iran, then you should honestly admit that you support repression, murdering and torturing of Irans progressive activists, because that is what islamists are doing in Iran:

such brutality didnt end in 1980s. even today many worker and student activists are in prison, worker organizations are banned, freedom of speech is violated, women are officially unequal with men, any kind of secular literature is illegal and the government is sinking in corruption. if the islamist were able to "rapidly" increase "the standard of living of average Iranians" then they didnt need such brutal ways of repression.

Your imprisoned "progressive activists" equal members of the MEK, a terrorist group responsible for kidnappings and murders in Iran, including some of the worst atrocities of the 1979 Revolution, who sided with Saddam Hussein and fought alongside Iraq against Iran and is also responsible for handing state information to foreign governments. Yeah, a nice little bunch. Bad mean Iran.

For your information Iran has the highest female-to-male ratio in university students of all sovereign countries.

And learn the meaning of fascism you self-righteous ****.

Brosip Tito
3rd May 2012, 14:42
Your imprisoned "progressive activists" equal members of the MEK, a terrorist group responsible for kidnappings and murders in Iran, including some of the worst atrocities of the 1979 Revolution, who sided with Saddam Hussein and fought alongside Iraq against Iran and is also responsible for handing state information to foreign governments. Yeah, a nice little bunch. Bad mean Iran.

For your information Iran has the highest female-to-male ratio in university students of all sovereign countries.

And learn the meaning of fascism you self-righteous ****.
I'm not going to report it, becuase I think infracting, restricting and banning for the use of these words is a bit over the top.

HOWEVER:

"****" is considered sexist language, as it should be.

Sexist language is verboten on this website.

I suggest you edit it out, and refrain from future use, so you can avoid a warning/infraction, or worse.

Grenzer
3rd May 2012, 15:10
you are strongly supporting fascism and militarism.

What else do you expect from someone who explicitly supports the "Juche Idea"?

hashem
3rd May 2012, 16:17
firstly you should learn to control yourself before any kind of discussion. you are blindly insulting and supporting a fascist regime.


Your imprisoned "progressive activists" equal members of the MEK

people who were killed in 1988 massacre were not solely members of Mojahedin. even those victims which are described as members of Mojahedin were not really members of that organization. most of them were just holding newspapers, pamphlets or books which were published by Mojahedin or had family or friends who were members. Irans government didnt kept any key member of Mojahedin alive until 1988. those who were arrested were brutally tortured, they either died under torture or were killed after information was taken from them.

even criminals should have the right to defend themselfs in courts. but the victims were not sentenced to death even by islamic barbaric laws. the government suddenly decided to send death squads to prisons and killed almost all of people who were there. many of the victims were under 18 years old when they were arrested.

i believe Mojahedin are a caricature of present government of Iran. at first they supported Khomeinists after 1979 but after Khomeini refused to share his power with them, they started fighting together. Iranian communists have always exposed Mojahedin like any other islamist trend. but even existence of such backward cults like Mojahedin is a symbol of reaction and decay which is rulling Iran. in a democratic country, likes of Mojahedin can never form a political opposition, they can simply be political clowns.

Iran had greatest communist organizations in middle east during 1970s and early 1980s. but almost all of communist (except those who managed to hide or left the country) were executed in Iran.

all of secular trends (communists, liberals, nationalists) and even a large part of islamists (inculding those who founded the islamic republic in the first place) are suppressed in Iran. not even a single trade union or a progressive newspaper is allowed in Iran.


For your information Iran has the highest female-to-male ratio in university students of all sovereign countries.

that is not an achivement for the government. on the contray: that is a form of resistance against the government. under the islamist regime, men can have 4 wifes and unlimited number of "temporary wifes"(this means legal prostitution). men have the right to kill their wifes if they see them having sex with another man! men control the children after divorce. in courts the value of a womans testimony is officially half of a mans. and if someone hurts or killes a woman, he or she has to pay half of "blood money" comparing to same situation with a male victim. women are forced to wear certain clothes (islamic hijab) otherwise police will arrest them.

before entering universities, Iranian students have to give some commitments about their religion and political believes. those who do not believe in "official religions" like bahai's or materialists or those who oppose the state are forbidden from universities.

VivaCastro
3rd May 2012, 20:41
Tin hat on, but realistically I can't help but think of course Iran are trying for nuclear weapons. And why not, as has previously been said with Israel and Pakistan having also. Whether the US have concrete evidence of this is another matter though, but hey, when has evidence or justification ever meant anything to them.