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Le Libérer
14th April 2012, 15:12
http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/2012/04/10/20120410arizona-house-oks-abortion-bill.html

Politicians are absolutely obsessed with sex. like...people dont have jobs and there is a war and people are dying and OMG Women's have uteruses, we must control them!!!


The Arizona House has given final legislative approval to a bill that would ban most abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy and make numerous other changes to abortion regulations.

House Bill 2036, sponsored by Rep. Kimberly Yee, R-Phoenix, has already passed the Senate and now goes to the governor. Gov. Jan Brewer has five days to sign it into law, veto it or do nothing and allow it to become law. If it becomes law, it will go into effect this summer.

The vote was emotional and not along party lines.

Rep. Catherine Miranda, a Democrat, was among those who voted for the bill. Rep. Kate Brophy McGee and Rep. Cecil Ash, both Republicans, voted against it.

Supporters said the bill protects women and unborn children, who at this gestational age may feel pain. Opponents said it strips women and their doctors of the ability to decide how to handle situations of fetal abnormalities that are often discovered later in pregnancy.

Rep. Debbie Lesko, R-Glendale, said her vote for the bill came down to one question.

"Is the baby inside a woman's body a human?" she said. "My answer, I believe, is yes. It is unacceptable to end the life of a human."

Ash, R-Mesa, called the bill bad policy. He said women faced with a fetal abnormality at 20 weeks need time to make their own decisions.

"This bill crosses the line from setting policy to practicing medicine," Ash said. "Most women who have reached the 20th week, or fifth month, of pregnancy have already made the decision in favor of life."

The bill would make numerous changes to abortion laws, including banning abortions after 20 weeks except in a "medical emergency," allowing doctors to prescribe medication abortion pills only through the seventh week of pregnancy and requiring clinics to perform an ultrasound 24 hours before an abortion instead of the current requirement of an hour before.

It also would set up several new requirements. Clinics must post signs saying it is against the law to coerce a woman into having an abortion, physicians must provide additional information about health risks and the state must create a website with abortion health risks, contact information for adoption agencies and photos or drawings of developing fetuses.

Current law allows abortions up until the point of viability, when a fetus could reasonably survive on its own outside the womb. That's considered by many medical experts and abortion clinics to be 22 to 24 weeks. The law allows abortions beyond that to protect the "life or health of the woman" but doesn't define health.

According to the Center for Arizona Policy, the conservative advocacy group behind the bill, about 200 Arizona women who were more than 20 weeks pregnant got an abortion in 2011. That's about 2 percent of the approximately 11,000 abortions a year in the state.

Rep. Eric Meyer, D-Paradise Valley, a physician, voted against the bill.

"This bill sets into statute a standard of care, which I think is the first time we've ever done that as a Legislature," he said.

He said many fetal anomalies can't be determined until an ultrasound is conducted at 18 or 20 weeks of pregnancy.

"Women that go to have those ultrasounds are not looking to have an abortion," he said. "But in a few cases, anomalies are found that are not comparable with life."

He said those are always tough decisions, both for the physician and the patient.

"To force a woman to carry a fetus that has anomalies that are not compatible with life for another 20 weeks is not a decision we should be making here at the Legislature," he said.

Rep. Peggy Judd, R-Willcox, and Rep. Terri Proud, R-Tucson, spoke of the value of children born with disabilities.

"These special individuals give us an opportunity to learn selfless love," Judd said. "We must not seek to remove these individuals from our lives."

Miranda, D-Phoenix, said her decision to support the bill was a moral one.

"All of us have to answer to our constituents every two years," she said. "But ultimately, after we leave this Legislature, all of us must answer to a higher authority."

gorillafuck
14th April 2012, 15:17
Politicians are absolutely obsessed with sex. like...people dont have jobs and there is a war and people are dying and OMG Women's have uteruses, we must control them!!!they're obsessed with conservative talking points that will get them voter popularity.

Le Libérer
14th April 2012, 15:42
they're obsessed with conservative talking points that will get them voter popularity.

I understand that, but putting into law that life begins 2 weeks before pregnancy takes talking to a new level.

@LeftistRadio
14th April 2012, 15:54
Legislative Conservatives are the Igors of Capital and do as their masters tell them. And so, when Frankenstein wishes a thing legal or illegal because it serves him, Igor makes it so.

Of course Capital desires higher populations, therefore criminalize abortion and contraception. If this can be accomplished at the national level the American population growth rate would increase by 60%. Lets marry this percept to defunding education and controlling media to insure that as many of them remain ignorant as possible. Lets also criminalize poverty to whatever extent possible, wherein people who can not afford lawyers will eventually accrue criminal records - thereby further insuring that those born to lower economic strata remain there.

What we are left with is a massive, dumbed down population with no hope of upward mobility. Sounds rather like that proletarian rabble we keep reading about. And this, as we all know, is an excellent environment for wage slavery.

Dealing only in observables. Did you know that last quarter some congressional Conservatives (names escape me) actually attempted to abolish minimum wage, claiming that it would "create jobs"? Sounds like sweat shops to me.

gorillafuck
14th April 2012, 15:54
anti-abortion sentiment is rising (as part of a calculated campaign by the right wing), politicians are capitalizing on it.

Le Libérer
14th April 2012, 16:06
anti-abortion sentiment is rising (as part of a calculated campaign by the right wing), politicians are capitalizing on it.

Because, of course, women are a commodity- a vast herd of bovines whose reproductive activities MUST be monitored & controlled!

gorillafuck
14th April 2012, 16:11
according to Kimberly Lee and whoever else voted for this, sure. I think saying they're obsessed with sex is a pretty bad analysis of this.

ACAB
14th April 2012, 16:28
LOL at grown adults giving a fuck about what a women does with her own body, I am convinced once these morons banned abortion they would ban open heart surgery and prosthetic limbs as it is against gods grand plan.

I had a Muslim neighbour try and rationalise slavery because i called her out on it in her book of magic tricks, she said that in cases of someone being poor with no work or shelter slavery is not necessarily barbaric :lol:

Le Libérer
14th April 2012, 16:41
Legislative Conservatives are the Igors of Capital and do as their masters tell them. And so, when Frankenstein wishes a thing legal or illegal because it serves him, Igor makes it so.

Of course Capital desires higher populations, therefore criminalize abortion and contraception. If this can be accomplished at the national level the American population growth rate would increase by 60%. Lets marry this percept to defunding education and controlling media to insure that as many of them remain ignorant as possible. Lets also criminalize poverty to whatever extent possible, wherein people who can not afford lawyers will eventually accrue criminal records - thereby further insuring that those born to lower economic strata remain there.

What we are left with is a massive, dumbed down population with no hope of upward mobility. Sounds rather like that proletarian rabble we keep reading about. And this, as we all know, is an excellent environment for wage slavery.

Dealing only in observables. Did you know that last quarter some congressional Conservatives (names escape me) actually attempted to abolish minimum wage, claiming that it would "create jobs"? Sounds like sweat shops to me.

This is an excellent analyzes of the issue.

Igor
14th April 2012, 16:59
Legislative Conservatives are the Igors of Capital and do as their masters tell them. And so, when Frankenstein wishes a thing legal or illegal because it serves him, Igor makes it so.

dude that's pretty uncalled for

gorillafuck
14th April 2012, 17:01
Of course Capital desires higher populations, therefore criminalize abortion and contraception. If this can be accomplished at the national level the American population growth rate would increase by 60%. Lets marry this percept to defunding education and controlling media to insure that as many of them remain ignorant as possible. Lets also criminalize poverty to whatever extent possible, wherein people who can not afford lawyers will eventually accrue criminal records - thereby further insuring that those born to lower economic strata remain there.why does American capital desire population growth rates in the US that can't be reached with legal abortion?:confused:

@LeftistRadio
14th April 2012, 17:42
@Igor
I don't know if you're serious or just namesake joking. It was not written to be mean spirited.

@zeekloid
Why on earth would a corporation deal with all the nightmares and expenses involved in overseas production (taxes, logistics, etc.) when they can more locally produce, over time through various legislation, conditions paralleling those which they were seeking overseas in the first place?

Igor
14th April 2012, 19:13
@Igor
I don't know if you're serious or just namesake joking. It was not written to be mean spirited.

just joking.